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The Bee posted:Did she even distance from Stone? Pffft hahahahahaha.
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Oct 4, 2022 15:05
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The Bee posted:Did she even distance from Stone? Her Husband? lmao
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Oct 4, 2022 15:06
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Exactly! So this:DressCodeBlue posted:It's also worth noting this isn't the first abusive shithead she's been super close to before feigning shock and then reluctantly distancing herself from once the evidence hit critical mass. I just plain don't see coming to pass. This is an abusive shithead she's in it for the long haul with. Here's hoping the two don't get to reestablish a grift.
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Oct 4, 2022 15:19
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the playbook is generally, Focus solely on your fanbase, and friends who remain. Stick to your own platforms which you can control. And keep making content for the real fans, and slowly try and increase that fanbase with people who don't know anything. Send a few feelers out after a bit of time to see if you can get back in, if you can, great congrats you're back. If Not repeat 1-3.
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Oct 4, 2022 15:35
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Dawgstar posted:Oh wow. The Herald of Compassion and Redemption. (I'm just kidding. She doesn't think she needs the latter.) I just want to say I don't agree with it, just pointing out that's what that kind of art is. Done with pottery it's actually really, really cool. Like someone else said, in terms of any trauma she's suffered, fine use of the concept. To use as PR to avoid responsibility for lovely behavior, not cool. And there was others before Stone? I may have missed that stuff, though I'm not sure I want to know about it.
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Oct 4, 2022 17:33
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seaborgium posted:I just want to say I don't agree with it, just pointing out that's what that kind of art is. Done with pottery it's actually really, really cool. She got her start in D&D celebritydom as being part of Zak S's D&D With Pornstars. She was in his inner circle right up until Mandy came forward.
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Oct 4, 2022 17:41
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seaborgium posted:I just want to say I don't agree with it, just pointing out that's what that kind of art is. Done with pottery it's actually really, really cool. I didn't think you were endorsing her take.
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Oct 4, 2022 18:03
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Tsilkani posted:She got her start in D&D celebritydom as being part of Zak S's D&D With Pornstars. She was in his inner circle right up until Mandy came forward. Yeah, it's extraordinarily gross, especially given her branding as "The compassionate person who loves everyone" https://twitter.com/WzrdStls/status/1433074456231137288 https://twitter.com/WzrdStls/status/1433074460702224386 https://twitter.com/WzrdStls/status/1433074473377353735 https://twitter.com/WzrdStls/status/1433446665197957123
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Oct 4, 2022 18:43
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The Bee posted:Exactly! So this:
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Oct 4, 2022 23:51
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Chess keeps getting funnier. https://twitter.com/andrewlbeaton/status/1577380022788169728?s=20&t=jh2SjVF-tx7mscr9Xy9xGQ
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Oct 5, 2022 00:32
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Yeah that's pretty much what everyone already knew or at least heavily suspected, right? He was a very prolific online cheater. If Magnus had just said that initially, and stated that's why he felt that the sanctity of the tournament or whatever was degraded by Hans being there, I think everyone would have taken him seriously and he wouldn't have just looked like a total fuckin clown. As is, unless some evidence of in-person cheating is shown (other than nonsense like "he plays too good" stats which prove nothing) then I don't expect anything to come of it other than Magnus looking like the biggest scrub in the entire history of competitive gaming.
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Oct 5, 2022 00:42
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Liquid Communism posted:Chess keeps getting funnier. https://chess24.com/en/read/news/euro-club-cup-1-carlsen-and-anand-take-rating-hits Maybe Magnus should focus on actually playing chess instead of (not quite) claiming someone cheated.
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Oct 5, 2022 00:52
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Kalman posted:https://chess24.com/en/read/news/euro-club-cup-1-carlsen-and-anand-take-rating-hits This has literally nothing to do with that, and lol yeah he lost points for getting a draw as black. I dunno, maybe the dude who keeps lying about how much he cheated and when, should be investigated for cheating.
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Oct 5, 2022 01:58
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Dexo posted:This has literally nothing to do with that, and lol yeah he lost points for getting a draw as black. To a much lower rated (300 ELO) player. (White is typically considered to be worth ~30-40 ELO advantage. Given their relative ELO, Carlsen would be expected to win ~70% of games and draw 24%, and Mekhov’s position was quite a bit better throughout. Sounds kinda distracted to me!) And of course it has nothing to do with it, it’s just funny that for all his “oh he must be cheating” he went ahead and dropped a game - nearly losing it! - that he “should” have won. Maybe he needs to get some vibrating anal beads. Kalman fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Oct 5, 2022 02:35
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Yeah the news is basically that when Niemann said he cheated when he was 16 and making money as a streamer and trying to juice his chess.com rating for clicks, he sorta implied it was just a few times, and not like, hundreds of times. And, chess.com's experts say some of Niemann's over-the-board games are sus, but of course there's no proof, it's just under this intense scrutiny, his play is weird and unlikely to be totally down to just him being an eccentric chess genius. Despite all this, Carlsen is not coming off totally clean as a whistleblower either, because of how he's done it. Definitely some ego going on. I can't keep up with the massive amount of content Hikaru's been posting, seems like he's put up hours of videos every day about it and I can't watch these captures-of-streams with walls of text scrolling by while Hikaru riffs off the cuff about whatever comes to mind. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Oct 5, 2022 02:47
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Kalman posted:https://chess24.com/en/read/news/euro-club-cup-1-carlsen-and-anand-take-rating-hits This seems really silly. He absolutely destroyed in the tournament where he intentionally dropped his game to Niemann, even with that loss. His play recently has been extremely good. Sometimes you're going to get a draw when you play as Black in chess, even if you're the best player in history. His current ELO rating is a bit off his peak, but is still higher than any other human's has ever been. And his actions have led to investigations that have revealed more cheating than was previously known. Whether FIDE will take action about it we have yet to see, but it looks like Magnus is getting results.  Edit: sorry, got confused about who called him a scrub.
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Kalman posted:To a much lower rated (300 ELO) player. That's the thing, it's just not particularly funny at all, sometimes you just get out played and draw/lose a game. Notice how Magnus didn't jump to cheating accusations here. Almost like results don't have much of anything to do with why he is alluding to what he is alluding about Hans.
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Dexo posted:That's the thing, it's just not particularly funny at all, sometimes you just get out played and draw/lose a game. Notice how Magnus didn't jump to cheating accusations here. Almost like results don't have much of anything to do with why he is alluding to what he is alluding about Hans. Given that the chess.com report everyone is pointing at suggests that Niemann's unlikely, at best, to have cheated OTB - and that that matches up with analysis by the same professor they relied on to confirm their own online cheating analysis - it kinda just seems like Magnus got pissed he got beaten by someone he considers lesser due to past cheating and made the jump to "if he cheated in the past, he can only have beaten me by cheating." Mostly it was just a shitpost to point out exactly your point: sometimes a theoretically weaker player gets beat, but that doesn't mean it was cheating.
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Nobody should have to play against cheaters in big money tournaments. Organizers shouldn't invite cheaters. And if they do, it's on them when it fucks up their tournament by pissing off non-cheating players. Did any of you see the "we got weights in fish!" video? I want to see someone from FIDE get that mad. (If you haven't seen it, it's pretty funny.)
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One of the things that came out is that chess.com says other high ranked players are known to have cheated on chess.com in the past too, and they gave an example in which they handled it privately with the player, who confessed, and was then given a new account with full access to continue playing based on their apology or whatever: https://kotaku.com/chess-com-cheating-scandal-niemann-carlsen-confession-1849617569 Kotaku speculates that part of chess.com's motivation is to preserve its own reputation as a site where cheating isn't rampant, and another is that it is attempting to purchase Magnus Carlsen's company, Play Magnus Group, for millions of dollars. There's a severe conflict of interest there, in that it's obviously against chess.com's financial interests to piss off Carlsen in such a way that he decides to decline to sell to them.
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Jimbozig posted:Organizers shouldn't invite cheaters. And if they do, it's on them when it fucks up their tournament by pissing off non-cheating players.
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Jimbozig posted:Organizers shouldn't invite cheaters. And if they do, it's on them when it fucks up their tournament by pissing off non-cheating players. Coolness Averted posted:Organizers shouldn't invite or allow players who refuse to use the proper grievance channels and dance around with coyling poo poo after they lose. Both of these can be true.
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Coolness Averted posted:Organizers shouldn't invite or allow players who refuse to use the proper grievance channels and dance around with coyling poo poo after they lose. So, like, all the top players? Every interview I saw with top players had them laughing and being like "I'm not allowed to say this guy is a cheater, buuuut...." There's a reason they are being coy and not just saying it. You get this situation where Hikaru can say "Magnus thinks he cheated" and Fabiano can say "Hikaru thinks he cheated" but none of the players can just come out and say "I think he cheated." You get all this coy poo poo because the rules say you're not allowed to do or say anything directly. What are the proper grievance channels for a player accusing someone of cheating when the governing body has rules against players accusing other players of cheating? Literally, the proper grievance channels were supposed to be "trust us, we are taking care of security, and it's not your job as a player to worry about it."
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The fishing thing ended because a judge showed how they were doing it. So far we know the dude cheated in online games, so now the question just becomes "How does he cheat in in-person games?" And until that question has an answer this is a stalemate. Oh poo poo that's a chess thing.
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Magnus is allowed (depending on local libel/slander laws) to make coy statements intended to make everyone infer that Nieman is a cheater without providing any backing evidence. I'm allowed to think Magnus is a poo poo for trying to ruin someone's reputation without providing any evidence or even making a clear allegation. Note: I also think chess.com's more recent reveals are plenty enough evidence to say Nieman is a cheater and untrustworthy in the competitive arena. If I was a tournament organizer, I'd be running through the tournament rules to see if that was enough to keep Niemann from participating.
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Jimbozig posted:So, like, all the top players? Every interview I saw with top players had them laughing and being like "I'm not allowed to say this guy is a cheater, buuuut...." There's a reason they are being coy and not just saying it. You get this situation where Hikaru can say "Magnus thinks he cheated" and Fabiano can say "Hikaru thinks he cheated" but none of the players can just come out and say "I think he cheated." You get all this coy poo poo because the rules say you're not allowed to do or say anything directly. So what punishment do you think is appropriate for the player(s) you admit have broken or are breaking FIDE's rules? Should the org have a "Loose cannon, who gets results" clause to its rules? So you're allowed to break them as long as there's a really really good reason for it?
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All this chess drama does nothing but remind me how much I dislike people who are crazy about chess.
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It's a very boring game that attracts very boring people
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Bottom Liner posted:It's a very boring game that attracts very boring people It's a very boring game that attracts very boring people, and also weird people that sometimes have funny episodes when their particular quirks meet! This whole episode is pretty facinating, and keeps getting more wrinkles from dumb games of telephone where a commentator's joke gets reported as the actual allegation to "Company with a vested interest in making a dude happy says he's totally right, trust him." Let's enjoy some organizational drama that doesn't involve sexual abuse or promoting vile worldviews for a little bit.
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I am absolutely chuffed that this thread has had a new topic to discuss, instead of missing stairs, 4E good - 5E bad, and why 5E owes its success to Critical Role, etc. I don't know anything about the chess world or high level competitive chess, but this is the most I've been interested in this thread in a while.
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I absolutely agree. All the weird drama around the world of pro chess is always way more entertaining.
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The chess bullshit actually made the NBC evening news tonight. Sadly, no mention of anal beads.
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Dexo posted:I dunno, maybe the dude who keeps lying about how much he cheated and when, should be investigated for cheating. Yeah cheaters tend to just keep on cheating no matter how many times they promise they won't
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Not yet, they just wanna see If the nice guy beats the bum (where he kept his radio anal beads)
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A person who cheats in competition with others demonstrates they have no respect for the game or interest in a fair contest and is solely interested in achieving a desired outcome at any cost. They should not be allowed to compete professionally. As for Magnus Carlsen, the way they went about this isn't great. That being said, it is hard to see many ways they could have practically gone about it better. A lot of organisations are far more interested in protecting their reputations than they are in maintaining their actual integrity. A secretive process that would, as many have pointed out in here before, likely come up inconclusive would accomplish nothing beneficial while letting any alleged cheater off the hook and free to continue their actions in future tournaments. Likewise, coming out directly and saying he believes Hans Niemann is a cheater would get him sued, most likely in a country specifically selected because they have obnoxiously horrid libel laws, like the ones that plagued the UK. This would find against him because, as pointed out above and earlier, the evidence would be inconclusive for any individual game. This would then be used by Niemann to claim vindication. Carlsen's actions to imply but not state that he believes Niemann is a cheater and subsequently refusing to play against him avoids the latter pitfall while calling attention to the mans prior cheating, which has resulted in a lot more of it coming to light (which the first process would not have done). It is not a great look, but it is the best of a bunch of poo poo options.
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In fact... it's too good of an option. A 100% match with how a cheating accusation program would have picked in the same situation...
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CitizenKeen posted:I am absolutely chuffed that this thread has had a new topic to discuss, instead of missing stairs, 4E good - 5E bad, and why 5E owes its success to Critical Role, etc. I don't know anything about the chess world or high level competitive chess, but this is the most I've been interested in this thread in a while. This chess fight story also does not include abusers or sex pests, so that's nice!
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They should solve this disagreement the traditional chess way, by brawling in the street like nakamura and hansen.
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