Victoria 3: the 1960 german unification play comes with a few complications

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karmicknight: Aug 21, 2011

Jazerus posted:

gonna crash the world economy by going all in on opium production

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Eiba: Jul 26, 2007

Jazerus posted:

gonna crash the world economy by going all in on clipper factroys

Wait, I think this could work.

I was thinking that crashing the world economy might be impossible with national markets being the way things are organized, but I think with clippers there may be a way.

So first you massively overproduce clippers, like any good capitalist. You'll probably have to subsidize them, so you'll need a non-clipper source of income. Maybe with gold mines or something. But you'll have to make more and more of them until you drive the price of them into basically nothing.

Then you systematically make trade deals with other major producers of clippers and flood their markets. Your goal is to ruin their domestic clippers industries and make them dependent on your insanely cheap clippers.

Country by country you'll want to make sure everyone is flooded with cheap clippers. Your goal is to make sure no other clipper factories in the world can compete with yours until they all shut down.

But because all the clippers in the world are so cheap, global trade should be a lot cheaper and a lot more people should be participating. Your cheap clipper empire should facilitate a global trade boom. Countries will be encouraged to specialize as they know selling in other markets will be a cheaper proposition than it used to be, as long as you keep the cheap clippers flowing.

From there it's just one click to destroy the world economy: shutter all your clipper factories.

With no one producing their own clippers, and everyone extra dependent on trade, every economy in the world will collapse in their own special way.

With luck things will be hosed enough by national specialisation that building back up their domestic clippers industries may be a difficult prospect for most countries. You may end up irrevocably loving up the concept of global trade.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:10

Jazerus: May 24, 2011

Eiba posted:

Wait, I think this could work.

[...]

You may end up irrevocably loving up the concept of global trade.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:22

LostCosmonaut: Feb 15, 2014

Imagining a sci-fi story where humanity just completely forgets how to build boats around 1850.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:23

Takanago: Jun 2, 2007; You'll see...

Eiba posted:

Wait, I think this could work.

I was thinking that crashing the world economy might be impossible with national markets being the way things are organized, but I think with clippers there may be a way.

So first you massively overproduce clippers, like any good capitalist. You'll probably have to subsidize them, so you'll need a non-clipper source of income. Maybe with gold mines or something. But you'll have to make more and more of them until you drive the price of them into basically nothing.

Then you systematically make trade deals with other major producers of clippers and flood their markets. Your goal is to ruin their domestic clippers industries and make them dependent on your insanely cheap clippers.

Country by country you'll want to make sure everyone is flooded with cheap clippers. Your goal is to make sure no other clipper factories in the world can compete with yours until they all shut down.

But because all the clippers in the world are so cheap, global trade should be a lot cheaper and a lot more people should be participating. Your cheap clipper empire should facilitate a global trade boom. Countries will be encouraged to specialize as they know selling in other markets will be a cheaper proposition than it used to be, as long as you keep the cheap clippers flowing.

From there it's just one click to destroy the world economy: shutter all your clipper factories.

With no one producing their own clippers, and everyone extra dependent on trade, every economy in the world will collapse in their own special way.

With luck things will be hosed enough by national specialisation that building back up their domestic clippers industries may be a difficult prospect for most countries. You may end up irrevocably loving up the concept of global trade.

what do you do when countries use the power of mercantilism/protectionism to impose tariffs on your clippers and keep prices high

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:39

guidoanselmi: Feb 6, 2008; I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Looking forward to exploiting lack of balance

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:41

Randallteal: May 7, 2006; The tears of time

What might look like ridiculous overproduction of clippers in 1860 will be revealed as inspired business sense when the fancy future of 1900 arrives where everything is connected by canals and every family can afford a sailboat for personal conveyance. Clipper-critics are really going to have egg on their faces when our Martian canal-building cousins descend from the stars and teach us next-level canal poo poo.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:41

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Takanago posted:

what do you do when countries use the power of mercantilism/protectionism to impose tariffs on your clippers and keep prices high

Invade, obviously

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:44

ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

Takanago posted:

what do you do when countries use the power of mercantilism/protectionism to impose tariffs on your clippers and keep prices high

that counts as an act of war

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:44

Takanago: Jun 2, 2007; You'll see...

but then what if a bunch of boats sink during the war and drives up demand for more clippers

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:45

Tomn: Aug 23, 2007; And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Takanago posted:

what do you do when countries use the power of mercantilism/protectionism to impose tariffs on your clippers and keep prices high

Come to think of it, if Greece doesn't have a special possible law forbidding trade with insufficiently democratic nations I may lose my ability to feel human.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:57

The Narrator: Aug 11, 2011; bernie would have won

Eiba posted:

Wait, I think this could work.

I was thinking that crashing the world economy might be impossible with national markets being the way things are organized, but I think with clippers there may be a way.

Universal paper clippers

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:59

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

Eiba posted:

Wait, I think this could work.

I was thinking that crashing the world economy might be impossible with national markets being the way things are organized, but I think with clippers there may be a way.

So first you massively overproduce clippers, like any good capitalist. You'll probably have to subsidize them, so you'll need a non-clipper source of income. Maybe with gold mines or something. But you'll have to make more and more of them until you drive the price of them into basically nothing.

Then you systematically make trade deals with other major producers of clippers and flood their markets. Your goal is to ruin their domestic clippers industries and make them dependent on your insanely cheap clippers.

Country by country you'll want to make sure everyone is flooded with cheap clippers. Your goal is to make sure no other clipper factories in the world can compete with yours until they all shut down.

But because all the clippers in the world are so cheap, global trade should be a lot cheaper and a lot more people should be participating. Your cheap clipper empire should facilitate a global trade boom. Countries will be encouraged to specialize as they know selling in other markets will be a cheaper proposition than it used to be, as long as you keep the cheap clippers flowing.

From there it's just one click to destroy the world economy: shutter all your clipper factories.

With no one producing their own clippers, and everyone extra dependent on trade, every economy in the world will collapse in their own special way.

With luck things will be hosed enough by national specialisation that building back up their domestic clippers industries may be a difficult prospect for most countries. You may end up irrevocably loving up the concept of global trade.

Easy there satan, let's not go too far.

I how someone tries this and it works.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 22:59

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

These clippers are so profitable, they practically sail themselves.

Thanks I'll be here all week!

# ? Oct 4, 2022 23:19

Poil: Mar 17, 2007

Takanago posted:

what do you do when countries use the power of mercantilism/protectionism to impose tariffs on your clippers and keep prices high

State sanctioned clipper smuggling of course.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 23:27

OPAONI: Jul 23, 2021

Randallteal posted:

What might look like ridiculous overproduction of clippers in 1860 will be revealed as inspired business sense when the fancy future of 1900 arrives where everything is connected by canals and every family can afford a sailboat for personal conveyance. Clipper-critics are really going to have egg on their faces when our Martian canal-building cousins descend from the stars and teach us next-level canal poo poo.

A War of the Worlds DLC would be rad.

# ? Oct 4, 2022 23:42

oscarthewilde: May 16, 2012; I would often go there
To the tiny church there

OPAONI posted:

A War of the Worlds DLC would be rad.

I still miss the wacky Paradox with its Sunset Crusades and its HOI 2 UFO cheats. After Sunset Invasion I really thought they would give each game should get at least one (1) wacky, out there DLC. Still awaiting the HOI 4 alien invasion and EU 4 Heaven vs. Hell DLC, though hopefully modders will pick up some slack. Anywho, Anbennar is way better than vanilla eu4 anyway, so hopefully they'll perform their magic on Vicky too.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 01:15

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

oscarthewilde posted:

I still miss the wacky Paradox with its Sunset Crusades and its HOI 2 UFO cheats. After Sunset Invasion I really thought they would give each game should get at least one (1) wacky, out there DLC. Still awaiting the HOI 4 alien invasion and EU 4 Heaven vs. Hell DLC, though hopefully modders will pick up some slack. Anywho, Anbennar is way better than vanilla eu4 anyway, so hopefully they'll perform their magic on Vicky too.

They're planning to, there's a huge section in the discord planning what the starting date looks like and stuff.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 02:05

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

War of the World's of course being right there. I'm sure there's other scenarios though.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 02:45

Hellioning: Jun 27, 2008

I think the reaction to Sunset Invasion scared Paradox off, what with all the complaints about 'historical accuracy' and the like.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 02:52

Arrath: Apr 14, 2011

Hellioning posted:

I think the reaction to Sunset Invasion scared Paradox off, what with all the complaints about 'historical accuracy' and the like.

Why do so many nerds hate fun.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 02:55

Jazerus: May 24, 2011

Arrath posted:

Why do so many nerds hate fun.

fun removes their ability to feel human

# ? Oct 5, 2022 02:59

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

It wasn't fun it was poo poo

# ? Oct 5, 2022 03:15

Jazerus: May 24, 2011

see?

# ? Oct 5, 2022 03:18

Eiba: Jul 26, 2007

Takanago posted:

what do you do when countries use the power of mercantilism/protectionism to impose tariffs on your clippers and keep prices high

Treaty ports would be the most direct solution.

Or else you could force them into the economic sphere of someone you do have a trade deal with- for instance if you've ruined the clipper industry in the French market you can help them subjugate the Italian states or whatever and you're still accomplishing your goal of spreading the plague of inexpensive clippers.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

I how someone tries this and it works.

Honestly I'm kind of curious if it'll play out anything like I was saying. It'd be pretty easy to see how it would go if there's a console command for infinite money. But honestly I think Britain might have a decent shot at being able to pull it off legitimately.

One thing I'm kind of curious about is what happens to the economy of a country that you have a customs union with but no market access. If you've got a subject on another continent forced into your customs union, but you suddenly have zero clippers and all your ports stop working, wouldn't that ruin the internal trade of that country, such that goods can only be used in the state that produces them? Based on how I understand the system industries in Quebec and Ontario wouldn't be able to use each other's resources if they had no market access to London.

If so you could literally shut down the entire world economy if you force a significant portion of of the world into a customs union with you and then turned off the clippers.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 03:33

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Without Sunset Invasion we wouldn't have the story of the goon hating the DLC because the Aztecs invaded King's Landing and sacrificed Joffey.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 03:55

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Jazerus posted:

fun removes their ability to feel human

Paradox please allow us to go into game options and tick: [X] Ability to feel human.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 04:02

Wipfmetz: Oct 12, 2007; Sitzen ein oder mehrere Wipfe in einer Lore, so kann man sie ueber den Rand der Lore hinausschauen sehen.

But guard it with an unsolveable "I am not a robot"-Captcha.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 05:38

Radia: Jul 14, 2021; And someday, together.. We'll shine.

lol, their integration tests break because the systems can't solve the captcha, they never launch the DLC as they try to unblock the pipeline

# ? Oct 5, 2022 06:12

Wipfmetz: Oct 12, 2007; Sitzen ein oder mehrere Wipfe in einer Lore, so kann man sie ueber den Rand der Lore hinausschauen sehen.

Ok. So make the "I am not a robot"-Captcha unsolveable for humans but solveable for an test algorithm.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 07:37

Radia: Jul 14, 2021; And someday, together.. We'll shine.

Wipfmetz posted:

Ok. So make the "I am not a robot"-Captcha unsolveable for humans but solveable for an test algorithm.

e: nvm i misread. yes. this is perfect. LPs get uploaded of computer vs computer but to our eyeballs appear to be a streamer.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 07:45

Fellblade: Apr 28, 2009

Hellioning posted:

I think the reaction to Sunset Invasion scared Paradox off, what with all the complaints about 'historical accuracy' and the like.

More likely the sales scared them off.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 09:35

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Takanago posted:

what do you do when countries use the power of mercantilism/protectionism to impose tariffs on your clippers and keep prices high

Invade them, obviously.

Gotta spread that freedom.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 10:41

Red Bones: Aug 9, 2012; "I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

MonsieurChoc posted:

They're planning to, there's a huge section in the discord planning what the starting date looks like and stuff.

Vic 3 Anbennar is gonna own, eventually, probably several years after the vic3 release.

I wonder what the design/production process for an individual vic3 tag even looks like, considering once the map and provinces are set up, the unique content for a country would be govt/ economy / demography setup and then journal entries/ event chains. Maybe it'll be faster to put together a tag in a vic3 mod compared to making a tag in eu4.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 14:12

Archduke Frantz Fanon: Sep 7, 2004

DrSunshine posted:

Paradox please allow us to go into game options and tick: [X] Ability to feel human.

Slider or ill cancel my preorder :colbert:

# ? Oct 5, 2022 14:31

Torrannor: Apr 27, 2013; ---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

I'm extremely looking forward to Vic 3 Anbennar. Looking how the world developed since the (re)discovery of Aelantir alone would be worth it to download a Vic 3 Anbennor, not to mention the gameplay of course.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 14:42

The Chad Jihad: Feb 24, 2007

Fellblade posted:

More likely the sales scared them off.

At the time devs said the sales were good enough that more alt-hist stuff was on the table in the future. They didn't end up doing that, but they did have things like magical satanic cults included in other dlcs

# ? Oct 5, 2022 14:43

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

DrSunshine posted:

Paradox please allow us to go into game options and tick: [X] Ability to feel human.

In Stellaris unchecking it should disable using humanoid races.

# ? Oct 5, 2022 14:51

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

The Chad Jihad posted:

At the time devs said the sales were good enough that more alt-hist stuff was on the table in the future. They didn't end up doing that, but they did have things like magical satanic cults included in other dlcs

Paradox games are always alt-history anyway, especially when it comes to Sweden.

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Miles Vorkosigan: Mar 21, 2007; The stuff that dreams are made of.

Torrannor posted:

I'm extremely looking forward to Vic 3 Anbennar. Looking how the world developed since the (re)discovery of Aelantir alone would be worth it to download a Vic 3 Anbennor, not to mention the gameplay of course.

The train goblins had better still be alive and they sure as hell better have little top hats

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