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Jabor posted:The only thing an entry-level programming job requires is that you're able to program. You can break into the field without any qualification at all (though it can be difficult since you'll generally have to prove that you can program somehow). If you're confident in your ability to, right now, write a program that does what you want it to, there's no reason you can't start scoping out entry-level jobs right now. heck the danish state has been taking in people with no programming skill and training them for a while now (as a way of filling their ranks since they are unable or unwilling to pay market rate)
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Tosk posted:First post in YOSPOS, this seemed like a good thread to look for advice. Preface, I'm not in the US, I'm in South America, so I'm just looking for general tips rather than any regional specifics I can't not answer in the context of the USA because it is all I know and it is very important. So this assumes you're looking at places with a USA culture of hiring, regardless of where they are. If your goal is to write code and dont care what its on, you don't need an additional degree. In fact it is a waste of time compared to self study when we're talking about making web apps, gluing APIs, iOS games, devops, etc. If your goal is to work on some hard science poo poo, the MS is the wrong MS and won't help much. E.G. cyber-physical systems and you're writing embedded code with strict performance requirements. An M.S. in bioinformatics is below a C.S. degree. Use your time to do projects that demonstrate your capabilities. Bonus points if you can make a tiny amount of money off one of those projects. If someone had a Latam bio degree and a CRUD app that earned $500/mo they'd be the top of pile candidate for entry level, 100%. Here's a post I did that I think addresses your question which is "how are degrees viewed in tech world hiring?" CarForumPoster posted:I was very curious what the breakdown was since the advice I am leaning toward with strawberrymoose with coding is that he'd better have some good projects to show off because he's gonna have a tough go at coding jobs. FWIW getting a USA job in LATAM, I've had good experiences hiring people who were raised in Latam and moved to USA for work and I think that is pretty common in my state. I hear a lot of good experience working with Latam based developers and there are some startups focused on getting Latam workers USA tech jobs.
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Speaking from a US perspective: An MS in bioinformatics isn't great preparation for a job outside of bioinformatics, but if you want to pursue work in that field it's better than most of your other choices. It's also easier to move around between related career paths with some experience than it is to make a switch for your first job. If you think you can handle a few years doing comp bio, go for that and then reevaluate.
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Degrees absolutely make a big impact when doing international visas for knowledge workers. Having a science MS is good; as is a CS BS (countries have carveouts for different skills). I know multiple high-skill people who had MAGMA offers who ended up in Vancouver or Toronto because they couldn’t get a US work visa.
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Thank you to everyone for your advice. I live in SA but I'm a US citizen so if I wanted to return there in the future I wouldn't require a visa, but that's nonetheless great to know. I wouldn't mind working in bioinformatics, especially in industry, but I am mostly considering it as a faster option to an advanced degree than actually going for a second bachelor's in engineering. Given the advice I'm receiving though, I am more inclined to focus on CE until getting a job and then evaluating if it's worth finishing. I would like to eventually move beyond web apps, APIs, etc because I glimpsed more interesting, more data sciencey problems in Biology, but anything is fine in the meantime. I figure that I can start wherever and eventually I'll figure out what I'm more specifically interested in.
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if you are a us citizen you can just up and ignore the existence of south america when you apply to places the delta in cash and working conditions is large they do not actually hire bioinformatics peeps for the hard problems in biology ime, they hire straight cs peeps mostly and teach em biology or they hire straight bio peeps and teach em computers
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At least in the US if you want to do data science in biological contexts having a relevant degree is fairly important.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if you are a us citizen you can just up and ignore the existence of south america when you apply to places the delta in cash and working conditions is large Do you mean look for remote work at a US job from here, or just move back? I definitely plan on leaving South America because pay/conditions are better elsewhere, but I felt like it would probably go: study and start working in CS here for a few years to develop a resume, apply to jobs elsewhere Your second sentence is pretty much the impression I got as I finished my degree in Biology. The interesting problems to me were mostly more computational and math-oriented than undergrad bio prepares you for, hence why I've started doing CE courses. In the future, it would be cool if I could use the Bio degree to make my way to more interesting problems because yes I find them interesting, but if I never spend another hour of my life playing with sequence data, I'll still survive. :P Thanks again everyone, the perspective from people farther along and in other places is very helpful Tosk fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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remote work used to be for peeps with at least 3-5 years of experience only. obviously the roni changed this completely, but some assholes are militating changing it back. for really truly inexperienced peeps they kind of have a point, you do learn poo poo at the office fairly faster if everyone else is at the office and you can ask questions in person the web app blub pays better than the hard bio stuff. in my sisters buddys case literally 3x better lol bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Tosk posted:study and start working in CS here for a few years to develop a resume, apply to jobs elsewhere this is probably underestimating yourself pretty heavily, no matter the plan i think you can go at it a lot quicker than this. a good cs education is good, but like pretty much all education it is at least 50% about shaping people who are novices at seeking out and absorbing the right kind of information (e.g. kids).
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KidDynamite posted:getting real tired of these coding interviews where they ask you to code up a feature, you do it, and then you get a rejection because they want stronger coding skills. figured this is the place to discuss this. this has happened to me 3 times now. not sure what other people are doing during to get offers if you have any insight. please help.
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KidDynamite posted:figured this is the place to discuss this. 9 times out of 10 its not your coding skills but something different and completely out of your hands
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KidDynamite posted:figured this is the place to discuss this. my personal feeling is that it's just failing to satisfy the interviewer's personal turbonerd peeve. my personal failures include: 1. fumble too much in the online coding thing because it's not your regular ide 2. you were told to explain your thinking, then you spend too much time talking about your thought process and whoops no time to super-optimize that problem (unless you already did in leetcode and can solve it in your sleep) 3. you were expected to write production quality code but the interviewer was like "lets start simple and make it more detailed later" 4. some other candidate was a code wizard and made you look like a nobody imo i consider these cases bullets dodged - i.e. probably you would not have liked working there anyway disclaimer i never got a job when the process included a whiteboard coding exercise
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KidDynamite posted:figured this is the place to discuss this. post the assignment and code and we'll review your PR
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CarForumPoster posted:post the assignment and code and we'll review your PR https://pastebin.com/6zKbzbvC reqs are down at the bottom. interviewer said do 2-4 write it to get it done and don't use the architecture i discussed during system design round. stopped me when i finished 4 and asked about how i would make it fit said architecture and test.
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sez its locked?
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oh my bad pw is lljk
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did they say anything specific beyond "stronger coding skills"
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raminasi posted:did they say anything specific beyond "stronger coding skills" Nope. They mentioned I did well on the debugging round, then went on to the sorry no detailed feedback, keep in touch for future roles portion of the rejection.
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i don't know swift so i can't rule out any glaring problems with your code but remember that at ninety percent of these companies the candidate evaluation process is completely unscientific, the training is nonexistent, and the interviewer corps has no incentive other than to make themselves feel smart. statistically speaking, i think that this is probably correct:4lokos basilisk posted:my personal feeling is that it's just failing to satisfy the interviewer's personal turbonerd peeve. my personal failures include:
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no problem with this particular kid but I don't think I have what it takes to work in MANGA techland if it requires posting like this https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1577432200408367104?s=19
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it doesnt lol
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distortion park posted:no problem with this particular kid but I don't think I have what it takes to work in MANGA techland if it requires posting like this https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1577432200408367104?s=19 marketing intern?
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as a student and intern, whenever i see someone in my age group post like that on the linky i block them
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i strongly recommend never, ever posting to linkedin. if you need to use its communication features, they should be 1:1 correspondence through the messaging function unless you're a recruiter or a hiring manager doing recruiter-type stuff. in that case go nuts
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advertising a trade show booth, webinar, new product launch and so forth seems reasonable. so long as it’s something you’re actually directly involved with, the people you’ve worked with before in your network might actually be interested. for a couple seconds anyway
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the other day i had an introductory interview. they liked my devops experience even though it is a software engineering role and i am somewhere between a junior and standard engineer experience wise. at one point they asked me what my experience / understanding is with mvc and frameworks, so i told them about some projects but that it was all in college and free time tinkering. at the end the manager gave me an honest review of his thoughts which was refreshing. he mentioned that the technical is one hour and that he is confident in my ability to handle the infrastructure part, but thought my lack of mvc experience might mean i would struggle with the “modeling data” section. what do they mean by this and what should i study for the technical? ive played around making burp and fart apps with rails and django, and had to write mvc stuff from scratch so are they just referring to abstracting things into a model with inheritance if needed, or is it something more high falutin?
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i havent heard "mvc" used non-pejoratively in probably 8 years so you can probably relax just work a few tutorials for whatever framework they use and try to remember where you're supposed to put the different parts of the system if they haven't told you the framework or expect you to write your own mv&c its probably going to be a shitshow that noone could pass, not even a carbon copy of the hiring manager
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just name things the right way
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Corla Plankun posted:i havent heard "mvc" used non-pejoratively in probably 8 years so you can probably relax they mentioned that they use rails but i have mostly used python instead of ruby. the prompt for the technical is that i can use any language i want so ill do some rails videos but use python if theyre just asking me to write logical classes. thanks for the help. barkbell posted:just name things the right way poo poo
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Corla Plankun posted:i havent heard "mvc" used non-pejoratively in probably 8 years so you can probably relax What is MVVM, really? Does anyone truly know?
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there's more and better python jobs so you should probably not sweat this at all if you fail to get a ruby job in 2022, just get that good good interview practice
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KidDynamite posted:https://pastebin.com/6zKbzbvC i only took a quick glance at it, but i was kinda twigged by all your class properties and ui elements being public vars instead of private lets (where possible, obviously some of them needed to be vars). also in the urlsession i think [unowned self] is the fotm for closures instead of weak, but i couldn't swear to that. *edit* i was getting ready for dinner when i looked at this and didn't give it a proper look, i've got some questions if you wanna pm or something. better still if you can get pokeyman to look at it. Stringent fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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today i had my first technical for a development job. turns out i spent all my time studying the wrong things. they had me do data parsing for a while, and while i did OK, it took some time to get into the swing of it again. probably the hardest part was thinking about the problem while having a conversation with the interviewer at the same time. it was good experience but i dont expect a call back on this one
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thats a real good attitude and its gonna serve you well. one practice interview in the bank, ezpz
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Bored Online posted:today i had my first technical for a development job. turns out i spent all my time studying the wrong things. they had me do data parsing for a while, and while i did OK, it took some time to get into the swing of it again. probably the hardest part was thinking about the problem while having a conversation with the interviewer at the same time. it was good experience but i dont expect a call back on this one interview yields vary from about 5% to 50%. 50% is more like "i did international computing olympiad when i was 15" sorta peeps so you should just shove more stuff onto the pipeline
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yeah i will get back at it with the applications. this interview challenge was a lot like solving an aoc problem so ill start running some of those as part of my prep work, and maybe double down on a framework i actually care to learn to beef up the resume. thanks for the comments and guidance. i didnt really have a whole lot to say except that i passed a milestone with this first swe interview and sometimes you just gotta post post post
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Bored Online posted:yeah i will get back at it with the applications. this interview challenge was a lot like solving an aoc problem so ill start running some of those as part of my prep work, and maybe double down on a framework i actually care to learn to beef up the resume. thanks for the comments and guidance. i didnt really have a whole lot to say except that i passed a milestone with this first swe interview and sometimes you just gotta post post post nice! imo those sorts of interviews are actually better than the leetcode style algorithm ones. While parsing some data isn't exactly what most people do day to day, it's much closer than implementing a linked list or w/e. my previous place had one that involved reading from a properly formatted CSV - you could use a library though so it was pretty easy.
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