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Oct 7, 2022 04:46
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RIP Hong Kong, I visited you before you died, I better hurry the gently caress up and get to Taiwan before it dies too.
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Oct 7, 2022 05:08
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 Ukraine kinda gives me hope about holding out against a forceful assimilation. I still think if China really decided to make their lives awful, a large number of them would emigrate at any chance they could get. They could hold off a military invasion and still end up completely crushed.
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Oct 7, 2022 05:24
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ukraine has a credible military of its own. that is the main and in fact only tool they have for fighting their assimilation: literally fight, with artillery. where is the hongkong peeps indirect fire? oh wait they dont have any. or direct fire, tbh taiwan may be able to hold out but give up on hk, imo. macau is almost done
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Oct 7, 2022 05:39
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ukraine also has the advantage of being recognised as a sovereign state by the international community.
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Oct 7, 2022 05:54
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Oct 7, 2022 06:07
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Never forget there's a strategic difference between a land invasion and a naval one, and it's because needing boats+airplanes. A land invasion can take years to lose. A naval invasion you can lose in an afternoon. E. Spelling. Loose. Coffee? ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 06:25
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Pretty sure you can loose a land invasion in, like, three days. To lose a land invasion could take a good while, especially if the belligerent threatens nukes if you push him back to the border and he keeps sending chattel across it.
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Oct 7, 2022 06:48
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ninjoatse.cx posted:
Ukraine is a sovereign nation whereas HK was formally transferred to PRC control in 1997. China doesn't need to conduct a military invasion because they already fully control the area, both in terms of real, enforceable power, and international recognition.
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Oct 7, 2022 06:53
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If China ever does decide to invade Taiwan it's not going to be a surprise. It would be the largest amphibious operation in history by a mile with huge amounts of easily observable preparation. Plus all of Taiwan's spies in the mainland keeping them updated.
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Oct 7, 2022 06:59
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largest amphibious operation in history by a military that hasnt shot another army in anger in 50 years (ladakh doesnt count, they literally fought w polearms)
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Oct 7, 2022 07:01
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Aren't most Chinese soldiers one child policy kids? Imagine the backlash if they start taking casualties.
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Oct 7, 2022 07:24
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McGavin posted:Aren't most Chinese soldiers one child policy kids? Imagine the backlash if they start taking casualties. the pla certainly did, which is why their post-gulf war doctrine calls for more indirect fires (they changed it up after the american persian gulf war because their previous doctrine was extremely similar to the iraqis' and the americans fuckin rolled the iraqis)
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Oct 7, 2022 07:30
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WarpedNaba posted:Pretty sure you can loose a land invasion in, like, three days. To lose a land invasion could take a good while, especially if the belligerent threatens nukes if you push him back to the border and he keeps sending chattel across it. Sink the boats, crash the planes, naval invasion ends. That is not a possibility when soldiers can just keep walking into combat. E.  Anyway, Taiwan could decively win the war in an afternoon if the chips fall right, and the CCP is unlikely to try without being drat sure they won't. I just want to point out that if the CCP got it wrong, people would be surprised how quickly that war would be done. Save for the mainland trying to bomb everything left standing on the island, but that's not annexation, only expensive, and ends when the CCP wants to use their money better. Taiwan doesn't cease to exist then. ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 07:48
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WarpedNaba posted:Pretty sure you can loose a land invasion in, like, three days. To lose a land invasion could take a good while, especially if the belligerent threatens nukes if you push him back to the border and he keeps sending chattel across it. to go all-in on pedantry, land invasions typically have months of pre-invasion buildup. Russia started building up for the latest round of their invasion of Ukraine in ~november/december 2021. FSB roughly tripled their manpower in Ukraine, and started working overtime with basically an unlimited budget for about another year before that. so yeah no one is 'loosing' a land invasion in three days either Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 08:12
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and they try to have operational uncertainty so it just looks like posturing. the cia basically knew the contents of putins rear end in a top hat so they called it correctly but the ukranians didnt. most of the cia's assets in the prc are dead for extremely humorously stupid reasons so they cant do that in the taiwan case
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Oct 7, 2022 08:15
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Yeaaah, but marshaling forces to a naval invasion that could have a possible chance of taking Taiwan is not on a scale that you can do for a lark. Doing it a couple times to obfuscate if you'll go over or not, or when, is economic insanity. It means hoarding and preparing insane amount of supplies to the staging areas and then - moving it back again. And if that's not done, you're either not serious or will not win if you try. Land is much more flexible about that.
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Oct 7, 2022 08:31
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having the war in the first place is economic insanity anyways. what's a dollop more insanity as the amuse-bouche? nation-states have drawn down their GDP by like, half and still went ahead with doomed and non-doomed wars
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Oct 7, 2022 08:42
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True, except for... The War changes the border. A fake out doesn't. These politicians might be insane, but they don't spend money if they don't get what want. If/when fornInt says they're going to go over it's because they're going. ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 08:52
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bob dobbs is dead posted:having the war in the first place is economic insanity anyways. what's a dollop more insanity as the amuse-bouche? nation-states have drawn down their GDP by like, half and still went ahead with doomed and non-doomed wars well you might convince Taiwan to take its security situation more seriously, you risk pre-emptive sanctions, and a whole shitload of bureaucrats spend the next month planning out the worst conceivable sanctions that they can think of to deter you if you do go ahead with your plans.
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Oct 7, 2022 09:49
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A day late, but I post about Thailand in here all the time and no one has ever seemed to care. I'm also married into a Taiwanese family and lived there for a long time, so maybe that got me thread cred?
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Oct 7, 2022 10:29
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Kharnifex posted:RIP Hong Kong, I visited you before you died, I better hurry the gently caress up and get to Taiwan before it dies too. Taiwan owns, definitely go check it out. Thankfully I don't think they're in the same boat as HK at all so I wouldn't worry too much for the foreseeable future.
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Oct 7, 2022 12:03
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thetoughestbean posted:Nah, it was just the specter of communism There's a thread title in here somewhere! Haunted by the Spectre of Communism Or Ghosts with Chinese Characteristics E: needs more zing url fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 12:55
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There is no way that China can do any sort of surprise attack on Taiwan. They'd be more subtle if they yelled "WE ARE GOING TO INVADE YOU ON NOVEMBER 16, 2023" every day for the next year The second anyone sees any sort of buildup it's going to alarm the Taiwanese and cause an increase in US force posture. Despite the walk backs I think the Chinese have seen it's very clear from Biden at least it wouldn't just be a fight between Taiwan and China, it'd be Taiwan and the US vs China Also I recognize that Biden speaks his true mind way too much, especially for a sitting president, but I also don't entirely believe these particular slipups are just oopsie. I think they send a message to Beijing publicly while maintaining "oops the President just misspoke!" plausible deniability for the government at large
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Oct 7, 2022 13:05
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Well https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/its-entirely-illegal-for-china-to-open-police-stations-here-says-ottawa Ya dont say?
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Oct 7, 2022 19:31
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During the HK protests Mainland Chinese police cars were seen driving around Australia, no idea who pulled that stunt *Edit I'm told it was tankies with stickers from aliexpress Kharnifex fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 21:35
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url posted:There's a thread title in here somewhere! Haunted by the Spectre of Communism With Chinese Characteristics
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Oct 7, 2022 23:58
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Kharnifex posted:During the HK protests Mainland Chinese police cars were seen driving around Australia, no idea who pulled that stunt I didn't know this happened, but I'll be honest, this is absolutely deliciously hilarious. I'm giddy deciding which bit is best. They're openly disrespected at home, it's why the military is always nearby. It's brilliant to think it would work in another country. I wanna see them try this in the US. url fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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Oct 8, 2022 01:43
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MarcusSA posted:Well Almost like the whole way police work is quasi-legal and shady af, no matter where they're from
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Oct 8, 2022 01:49
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Atopian posted:Haunted by the Spectre of Communism With Chinese Characteristics The Ghost of Plun Qing Past url fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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Oct 8, 2022 01:52
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Kharnifex posted:During the HK protests Mainland Chinese police cars were seen driving around Australia, no idea who pulled that stunt could you imagine how much more chabuduo cops would be in china if they actually got bmws 
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Oct 8, 2022 02:23
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also going back to ghost chat, my date with a vampire still hands down best supernatural themed show ever
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Oct 8, 2022 02:24
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Vampires are great, every date ends with some succ
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Oct 8, 2022 03:25
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url posted:The Ghost of Plun Qing Past A Haier plane of existence.
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Oct 8, 2022 03:41
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Oct 8, 2022 03:51
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Atopian posted:A Haier plane of existence. 
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Oct 8, 2022 05:09
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Kharnifex posted:During the HK protests Mainland Chinese police cars were seen driving around Australia, no idea who pulled that stunt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXdMsKJjp_c
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Oct 9, 2022 08:12
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PITY BONER posted:Tankies can only salivate about the riches they could have in China with their home-study HSK 3 scores and fervent devotion to Chairman Mao and Uncle Xi: Funny thing is, dancing monkey jobs went the the way of the dodo due to government policy. A Tankies only hope would be, what, being a CCP shill like that Andy Boreham guy? Okuteru fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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Oct 9, 2022 15:12
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Kharnifex posted:RIP Hong Kong, I visited you before you died, I better hurry the gently caress up and get to Taiwan before it dies too. If Taiwan dies too shortly after, we know it was you.
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Oct 10, 2022 07:33
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Welp.
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