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Vintersorg posted:This is just embarrassingly too big. What a joke this gen is. It’s pathetic. The sheer width of the card is what gets me, I have a pretty standard mid-tower with an EVGA 3070 & the card's power cables have maybe a couple mm clearance on the inner side panel. It's getting to where a riser cable is a requirement for even regular cases, not just the SFF builds.
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asus also only put two pcie brackets on their four-slot 4090 for some reason? some kind of compatibility issue perhaps? hope you didn't get a case that cheaped out on its rear metal alloy
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shrike82 posted:
Callisto Protocol isn't using RT that I know of, but that game is still going to be heavy on the max settings, I can tell. Bethesda didn't show RT in the Starfield footage they've shown so far, but if they have team members dedicated to it on the team then I guess it's just not implemented yet? Maybe it'll come post-release? Or maybe that's just a TESVI feature? (edit: I'm dumb, that specifically says RTX integration is for Starfield) Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Oct 7, 2022 12:35
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That's just absurd.
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shrike82 posted:RT on Starfield is probably going to be the next big showcase for GPUs The Witcher 3's RT rework could be pretty impactful too depending on how much of what's in CP's engine is reused.
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shrike82 posted:RT on Starfield is probably going to be the next big showcase for GPUs POV: you are playing starfield with full path tracing 
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Isn’t the 4090 shorter than the 3090? Last gen’s cards wouldn’t fit in those same cases either. Width is insane though.
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Oct 7, 2022 13:56
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The Pirate Captain posted:Isn’t the 4090 shorter than the 3090? Last gen’s cards wouldn’t fit in those same cases either. Width is insane though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjBWpdukzv4 around the four-minute mark
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3080 12gb is arriving today to replace my ancient 970. Is there a recommended way to test mining cards
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The Pirate Captain posted:Isn’t the 4090 shorter than the 3090? Last gen’s cards wouldn’t fit in those same cases either. Width is insane though. The nvidia founders edition is shorter. There are several AIB cards that are longer than any previously released graphics card though.
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Are we getting to a point where we can just forego cases entirely? I mean if you're not using optical drives or platter/SSDs, and just have a Mobo/CPU/RAM/GPU/PSU/m2, why not just modern art the setup at this point? Granted with a 4090 you'd probably still want to avoid any load-bearing drywall...
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Oct 7, 2022 14:23
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Now I'm imagining a 4090 snapping off the PCIE bracket and falling 6 feet
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Fhqwhgads posted:Are we getting to a point where we can just forego cases entirely? I mean if you're not using optical drives or platter/SSDs, and just have a Mobo/CPU/RAM/GPU/PSU/m2, why not just modern art the setup at this point? Granted with a 4090 you'd probably still want to avoid any load-bearing drywall... You must not have cats or dogs.
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Fhqwhgads posted:Are we getting to a point where we can just forego cases entirely? I mean if you're not using optical drives or platter/SSDs, and just have a Mobo/CPU/RAM/GPU/PSU/m2, why not just modern art the setup at this point? Granted with a 4090 you'd probably still want to avoid any load-bearing drywall... There's the XTIA Xproto and I've seen some other similar open "case" designs. The reasons to use an actual case would be to protect your hardware from the elements (accidental spills, pets, kids, dust, etc) as well as provide at least some level of noise isolation. Also, having directed airflow may actually be more beneficial for thermals than open-air design, depending on how much airflow there is in the case. I do wonder about that, actually. Like, how does a system in the Fractal Torrent compare to an open test bench? I imagine GPUs especially could be prone to air recirculation on an open bench with no airflow since they don't really blow air away from the GPU very effectively. But maybe this isn't a big deal? Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Callisto Protocol isn't using RT that I know of, but that game is still going to be heavy on the max settings, I can tell. Are RT integration specialist needed because RT and GI are not fully integrated into the big game engines yet? I would thought it would be priority #1 for the engine coders as it has got to be a massive labour saving upgrade. Or are the baked in lighting tricks that hard to disentangle they have to graft rt and gi over the top?
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starfield is running on bethesdas in-house engine which hasn't shipped with any RT features thus far, someone's got to do the engine legwork
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Collateral posted:Are RT integration specialist needed because RT and GI are not fully integrated into the big game engines yet? I would thought it would be priority #1 for the engine coders as it has got to be a massive labour saving upgrade. Or are the baked in lighting tricks that hard to disentangle they have to graft rt and gi over the top? Bethesda Games Studio develops the creation engine for their games which is an evolution of the gamebryo engine used for Morrowind through FO3. I’m not sure how Zenimax/Bethesda Softworks is organized but between BGS and id they do a lot of advanced engine work.
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That's what Bethesda is counting on, which is why their games are technically shaky
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Fhqwhgads posted:Are we getting to a point where we can just forego cases entirely? I mean if you're not using optical drives or platter/SSDs, and just have a Mobo/CPU/RAM/GPU/PSU/m2, why not just modern art the setup at this point? Granted with a 4090 you'd probably still want to avoid any load-bearing drywall... 
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kliras posted:asus also only put two pcie brackets on their four-slot 4090 for some reason? some kind of compatibility issue perhaps? That’s what gets me. I’m being asked to spend over $1,500 on one of these mega-chonkers, maybe $2k out the door, and they can’t be bothered to install more than 2 slot mounting brackets? I don’t know how much the slot mounts contribute to vertical stability, but it can’t be nothing. The FE having a big enough bracket to cover the whole cooler makes it a top option for me, if nothing else. Although I suppose once the ASUS ROG FACEMELTER or GIGABYTE AORUS MASTER BAITER inevitably succumbs to gravity and destroys my motherboard, I could donate it to the local Scottish games for caber tossing.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:There's the XTIA Xproto and I've seen some other similar open "case" designs. The reasons to use an actual case would be to protect your hardware from the elements (accidental spills, pets, kids, dust, etc) as well as provide at least some level of noise isolation. Also, having directed airflow may actually be more beneficial for thermals than open-air design, depending on how much airflow there is in the case. I don't have a link or anything, but I remember an aside comment on some GN video reviewing a case where he said something to the effect that even the best ducting and airflow designs out there don't improve on just opening up the side of your case to let the whole thing breathe.* Dust protection is the thing that seems the most worthwhile to me. I'll happily sacrifice some cooling (it's not like I"m running anything ambitious at all) if it keeps me from having to clean dust and hair out of heatsink fins. *edit: now that I think about it, might have been the series of videos where he reviewed the PS5's cooling setup and the various comically bad aftermarket things that claim to improve it.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:3080 12gb is arriving today to replace my ancient 970. Is there a recommended way to test mining cards Memory benchmarking. I used this one but there are a bunch: https://github.com/kruzer/poclmembench Run it a bunch of times and take a look through to make sure that you don't see any outliers. Sections of memory with lower performance are probably cooked.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I don't have a link or anything, but I remember an aside comment on some GN video reviewing a case where he said something to the effect that even the best ducting and airflow designs out there don't improve on just opening up the side of your case to let the whole thing breathe.* Dust protection is the thing that seems the most worthwhile to me. I'll happily sacrifice some cooling (it's not like I"m running anything ambitious at all) if it keeps me from having to clean dust and hair out of heatsink fins. many people never lived in a constant high humidity environment where dust turns into near-uncleanable gunk when it meets oxidized heatsink fins
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man I think both sides came out right in the “NVIDIA’s gonna price high to milk the whales while they burn through inventory” vs “we’re going into a recession and nobody can afford that” debate. Most chipmakers are announcing massive revenue misses today… https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-07/chipmakers-see-breathtaking-drop-in-demand-as-recession-looms?srnd=premium
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Yeah I think I’m going to have to hold onto my 980 a while longer till the 4090 comes down to a more reasonable price
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There’s a whole world of choices between the two, but more power to you.
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:Yeah I think I’m going to have to hold onto my 980 a while longer till the 4090 comes down to a more reasonable price If you're still running a 980 there are a LOT of cards that cost less than a 4090 but which would still be a massive, massive upgrade for you. Me, I'm currently looking around at used cards as a way to put my 1070 out to pasture. Normally I avoid used videocards but drat, even on ebay some of the prices are getting low enough to make rolling the dice worth while.
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Yeah a used 3080/90 is very tempting. I imagine prices will come down even further once the 4000 series starts to trickle out
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Paul MaudDib posted:man I think both sides came out right in the “NVIDIA’s gonna price high to milk the whales while they burn through inventory” vs “we’re going into a recession and nobody can afford that” debate. Most chipmakers are announcing massive revenue misses today… not that i would buy any, but the 4090 is a bargain next to the the current breed of hilariously overpriced AM5 mobos
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Cyrano4747 posted:
If you don’t mind, post here about what you got when/if you do pull the trigger. I’m in the exact same boat  and I’ll do the same
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:Yeah a used 3080/90 is very tempting. I imagine prices will come down even further once the 4000 series starts to trickle out I don't know if this will be true. 2080Tis hit bottom a few weeks before the 30xx series hit the street - of course the conditions were very different than today's glut of miner cards, in fact that was the source of the current glut. Regardless, it's tough to predict the bottom. It's worth setting your own what-is-a-reasonable-price line and buying below that instead of trying to find the very bottom. Especially since it seems like you're happy to use the card for years - a 10% difference from true bottom will be negligible amortized over those periods.
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namlosh posted:If you don’t mind, post here about what you got when/if you do pull the trigger. I’m in the exact same boat Will do. Right now I'm targeting something in the 3060ti/3070/2080 ballpark. This doesn't need to be a future proofed purchase, i just want to kick the can. 1440p, kind of interested in DLSS. Back in 2019 I was running a 970 and snagged this 1070 off ebay because I figured it was near the end of the 20 series, the 30 should be coming down the pipe soon, and hey obviously I'll just be able to get a 3070 or whatever in a year or so. I'll just drive down to MicroCenter and grab one off a shelf, maybe even wait until Christmas 2020 and see if I can snag a good holiday sale! This 1070 will be fine for a year, should have no problem getting something to replace it after that! 
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I don't think this is heralding the death of PC gaming, but I do think that PC gaming is about to take a little bit of a nap. Swear to god, my brain knows better, but my gut keeps telling me these look like shoops, Dear loving god, AMD, hurry the gently caress up.
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namlosh posted:If you don’t mind, post here about what you got when/if you do pull the trigger. I’m in the exact same boat I'm also camping with a 1070 as I posted earlier. TBH there isn't that much new stuff I even want to play so I'd probably just get a used 3070/80 whenever the 40 series drops and hopefully pushed the prices even lower.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I don't think this is heralding the death of PC gaming, but I do think that PC gaming is about to take a little bit of a nap. Swear to god, my brain knows better, but my gut keeps telling me these look like shoops, The whole lineup isn’t going to be that big. Lovelace is more efficient per watt. Although the recession is def going to cause a decline in gaming spending I imagine. Cygni fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I don't think this is heralding the death of PC gaming, but I do think that PC gaming is about to take a little bit of a nap. Swear to god, my brain knows better, but my gut keeps telling me these look like shoops, It's already happened to me. I stumbled backwards into a PS5 at MSRP during the height of the pandemic and fuuuuuuck that poo poo is just so goddamned convenient for a huge swath of modern games. Doubly so when a mid-range card costs as much as a complete console these days. I really miss mid-range cards that were in the $200-300 ballpark.
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