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BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

glitchwraith posted:

To be clear, I don't think it was foolish to hope. I was certainly hoping this issue would change the status quo and somehow bring Phoenix back to Jean. In fact, I think it's still a possibility that might happen before the end of the event.
I think I also got some hopes up 'cuz of this variant cover for X-Men 15...though of course, in retrospect, expecting a cover (much less a variant cover whose whole point was to promo Miracleman, of all things) to accurately depict the events of the book was also pretty silly. :gbsmith: (or maybe it's not!) (but it probably is) (BUT)

Speaking of that image: I have to admit that part of the reason I’d like to see Jean do Phoenix poo poo again is because, imo, her power signature has become kind of visually "blah" without it :sweatdrop:. She just throws bright non-distinct pink blobs around nowadays…which, don’t get me wrong, most artists are doing their damndest to make these the most appealing, impressive pink blobs you've ever seen, but can we be honest that they aren't nearly as visually stunning as them good ol' flaming raptors. Jean and Quicksilver both have this issue where, like, they’re the “prototype,” “archetypal” psychic and speedster of Marvel Comics, so every other psychic and speedster's powers get a bit more specialized and individualized -- visually or otherwise -- to contrast against them. So Emma gets a diamond form, the Psylockes get butterflies and swords, Quentin shapes his power into guns, and even Rachel gets to flame on again now along with doing some casual chronoskimming. Meanwhile Jean -- THEE preeminent inborn psychic powerhouse -- has her pink blobs. Yes we know her pink blobs are very powerful but they still lack that panache!

See the thing is, I'm actually not opposed to putting the Phoenix to bed sometimes. I don’t actually mind if it’s not the center of every Jean story, as if everyone should always be asking where the Phoenix is if the Phoenix isn’t on the page. :v:

The problem, to me, is that has been on the page, despite that -- again -- Jean herself hasn’t actually had it for decades. The problem, to me, is when everyone except Jean constantly gets to take a turn on the space bird bus ride, as if it’s somehow right for them to have it as opposed to the character that it actually came from, the one whose story is actually tied to it. Unfortunately for me (because this is definitely a targeted attack against me specifically), giving the Phoenix to every character except for Jean is absolutely Jason Aaron’s utter most favorite thing in the world. Never mind the current situation with Echo; even giving Wolverine them white hot Phoenix claws -- which Aaron has done at least twice now, he literally just can’t help himself -- feels like somehow intentionally trolling Jean or, hell, at this point it also even feels like trolling Scott :xd:.

Ahh, I shouldn't always be bringing so much Jason Aaron negativity all the time, 'cuz the problem goes far beyond simply him; it's just that he's the one perceptible focal point scapegoat for all my Jean turbostan woes. But still...it was really all over with him as soon as he'd once called Phoenix a "giant space parasite" like drat buddy don't hold back now.

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Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

Heavy Metal posted:

Honey Badger is rad. Also Gold Balls is better than Egg of course.

It was Erik Larsen's Highbrow studios, and I came up with CyberFace. Yes that was me. Guy has microchips on his face, and he's the man.

No poo poo? That’s awesome. Loved him as a big bad in those books.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

I wish, I was about 7 years old at that time. If I had Cyberface money I'd be all set. But legit, Cyberface is great, especially in that Kamandi inspired new world arc after #75.

Adder Moray
Nov 18, 2010

glitchwraith posted:

My personal nitpick is that Honey Badger fits Gabby better than Scout, even if the series the name change occurred in was pretty good.

Much better fit, but outside of titles and numbers 4 syllable+ superhero names don't work. Badger would still be better than Scout, though

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
always a classic page

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
I was pissed that they had Rachel date Cloud Strife because when I was a loving kid I made up a dude with a Phoenix sword and I was mad somehow some writer had stolen this from my brain. Except instead of Cloud I was ripping off Galford from Samurai Showdown.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

SNK, FF7, good stuff, this Korvus guy sounds pretty legit. I hadn't heard positive things about Brubaker's tenure, but seems interesting. If I ever get to filling in that area of X-history on my read.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Rick posted:

I was pissed that they had Rachel date Cloud Strife because when I was a loving kid I made up a dude with a Phoenix sword and I was mad somehow some writer had stolen this from my brain. Except instead of Cloud I was ripping off Galford from Samurai Showdown.

did he also have a phoenix dog

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Heavy Metal posted:

That's another example, she's Kate Pryde in the comics now, but she's always gonna be called Kitty Pryde. Even on a podcast talking about the change Duggan called her Kitty mostly. Kitty Pryde is a dope name, and better than Shadowcat which sounds try hard for her, so that's what we call her. Kate is not as memorable either.


I still call her Kitty, most characters in universe still do as well.

Also was never really fond of the name change as you say Kitty is more memorable than Kate.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
What's up with Danger nowadays? You'd think she might hop a ride on the great Sentinel uprising to come, but wasn't there something about her technically being a mutant AI?...or something? If Warlock is welcome on Krakoa then she could be there too.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

BrianWilly posted:

What's up with Danger nowadays? You'd think she might hop a ride on the great Sentinel uprising to come, but wasn't there something about her technically being a mutant AI?...or something? If Warlock is welcome on Krakoa then she could be there too.

She was just in Wolverine where she was living at the old mansion and was evil again or something, I dunno. It was a bad story.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Alaois posted:

did he also have a phoenix dog

Of course.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

It has been renowned that the X-Men enjoy baseball, and romping around. At least 5 times they've played baseball, according to a CBR article. I've witnessed only the first one myself.

Should there be more recreation and romping around in the Krakoa era? I know they had a hot tub or something.

And for a headline hot take, is Professor Xavier going to have recreational sex with anyone in the comic in the years to come. Thank you. Charles to get busy, sources say.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi
Caught up with the last few weeks. Forge (and Caliban, unbeknownst to him) vs the Vault is my loving jam.

GOD IS BED
Jun 17, 2010

ALL HAIL GOD MAMMON
:minnie:

College Slice
I thought it was weird we didn't see Caliban on the Marauders, now I know why

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
https://twitter.com/kierongillen/status/1578853885242114048?s=19

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth

:sickos:

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007

I can get behind them having a way to do an AoA-style alternate universe story without going back to that well.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Fall of X though, that sounds ominous!

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

Heavy Metal posted:

Fall of X though, that sounds ominous!

I really hope it just turns out to be a harvest festival.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
Xavier vs Stairs, the long-awaited rematch

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



https://twitter.com/BrandonTSnider/status/1578817936571043841?s=20&t=cw8_NbYV1cIhYeb0EFpqmw

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

BrianWilly posted:

What's up with Danger nowadays? You'd think she might hop a ride on the great Sentinel uprising to come, but wasn't there something about her technically being a mutant AI?...or something? If Warlock is welcome on Krakoa then she could be there too.

doug kept warlock secret for quite a while. though the reason was never explained, he definitely knew about the council's 'death to all intelligent machines' policy. doug has a lot of informal authority now, but i don't think he could get a pass for anyone other than warlock (because the council is terrible). also, no one ever acknowledges the brief incarnation of x-factor where doug and danger were on a team together.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



I thought Warlock was from like, natural organisms that happened to be 'machines' like how Transformers arose from naturally occurring gears and pullies, as opposed to, like, building a Sentinel.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

Nessus posted:

I thought Warlock was from like, natural organisms that happened to be 'machines' like how Transformers arose from naturally occurring gears and pullies, as opposed to, like, building a Sentinel.

Warlock and his kind are the basis for the big-bad Dominion which is destined to consume humanity per Life 6. It's weird how anti-precog Moira was but seemed fine with Warlock.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Saoshyant posted:

That's like the only part that isn't incomprehensible or dumb of the whole affair. After the Shiar storyline, their Fang bestowed on Aki the name and uniform and the latter took it to get away from that edgy Daken nonsense from that incredibly bad Wolverine/Romulus run from Daniel Way.



Marauders #05 (2022)


Everything else, though? Especially in issue #7? :wtc:

I'm fine with that I just think Fang is bland and generic. Frankly I think it'd be better if he took the Jean Grey route and just went by Akihiro all the time.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

I dig these new titles they announced, almost directly aimed at me too.

https://comicbook.com/comics/news/marvel-x-men-x-23-rogue-gambit-captain-britain-nycc/

X-23 name/look is back, and I was randomly kibitzing about wanting that the other day, go figure.

Rogue & Gambit series, always want more o those two, and doing something different from the Excalibur thing, nice.

Also a Captain Britain book.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
marvel stop using that lovely x-23 name challenge

Diet Poison
Jan 20, 2008

LICK MY ASS
That article speculates "X-23: Deadly Regenesis" might be a prequel, or at least set in the past... Not sure I'm thrilled about that. All I want to see from Laura is more semi-lighthearted shenanigans with her sister.

Or, okay, someone had the theory that she never died in the Vault (we never saw a body) and I would read a hellish grimdark story about her fighting for survival in there. Just no bullshit backsliding, which is why I hate every time they call her X-23 instead of Wolverine or even just Laura Kinney.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
According to 'Con attendees, Erica Schultz said that it's a flashback story.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

It's like Shakespeare said, X-23 is a sweet name. I think he said that.

She's also in the ol' Fortnite as X-23 recently. I give it seven months until she's out of the yellow Batman cowl, and into the spotlight.

Y'all see that Dark Web action:

https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/xzj4uj/dark_web_my_beloved_sorry_for_ever_doubting_you_i/

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Oct 9, 2022

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
I’m sure they have to call her that every so often to maintain the trademark.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Heavy Metal posted:

It's like Shakespeare said, X-23 is a sweet name. I think he said that.

She's also in the ol' Fortnite as X-23 recently. I give it seven months until she's out of the yellow Batman cowl, and into the spotlight.

Y'all see that Dark Web action:

https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/xzj4uj/dark_web_my_beloved_sorry_for_ever_doubting_you_i/

All aboard the Dark Web train!

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

Codependent Poster posted:

All aboard the Dark Web train!

Zeb.

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth
Noto!

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Another week another reading order from Gillen that you've already messed up:

quote:

A lot of AXE, before the final issue next week. AXE: Eternals continues the tripartite focus on the key players putting those pieces in place for later, Immortal X-men #7 focuses on Nightcrawler’s actions during AXE 5… and afterwards, and Death to the Mutants #3 does the same from the Eternal side, though with less (but more than zero) Nightcrawler.

One of these three issues includes the first Marvel page I executed entirely by myself. See if you can spot it. You’ll be able to spot it.

The reading order is (including last week’s Starfox): Immortal X-men #7, Death to the Mutants #3 and then Starfox#1. And then AXE: Eternals #1 wherever you want to put it, as it’s on its own thread.

It’s not actually that simple though. In reality, this is the sort of structure is…



I think Immortal #7 is best read before DtM #3, but that’s a judgment call – DtM ends slightly later in the timeline than Immortal, and both are written to try and avoid spoiling the other one. Starfox is definitely after both, but also stands alone (and includes some information from DtM 3). And then there’s the other thread of the story, which is three issues forming its own structure, of an entirely separate thread to the others.

This is a fascinating way to think about story. The weird fractal nature of exploring a space is actively odd the more you chew it over. We say “Event” and the word has become meaningless, but it ends up being feeling more like a historical event, like – say – a war. A setting for stories, meaning you’re thinking of the nature of the backdrop for what you’re doing. Yet simultaneously, it is a story in and of itself, and the pieces are being put there to be assembled later by the reader, either explicitly (as stuff which is referred to the final issue) or implicitly (as in, your understanding of what happened which isn’t explicitly called back will influence how you feel about what you’re seeing.) It’s odd. If I published 18 short stories and had them in this kind of structure they’d be accusing me of radical experimental modernism, but in comics, it’s viewed as pure commercialism.

Now this is making me want to write a novel like one would write a crossover, so I better stop, before that settles into my brain.

If you want a spin on all of the above, I see the shipping schedule and Si’s Legion of X also drops this week, which goes alllll the way back to issue 1 for the Uranos/Legion confrontation… but the whole story is between issues 1-4. Where does that go in a reading order? Probably immediately after issue 4, either before or after X-Men Red #6? Either way, it’s a good one. Si and Dike Ruan present Uranos’ arsenal with all the weird sci-fi horror poetry you could hope for.

glitchwraith
Dec 29, 2008

Nice double feature for Nightcrawler today, which is almost unfair given how much spotlight he got in the last issue of AXE. Legion of X fills in the gaps left in the initial Arrako attack, in some ways necessary, in other ways less so. Spurrier excels at writing Legion, but his Kurt still seems off. Again he's teleporting as much as possible to be the big drat hero, but compare this to Gillen writing that exact premise twice now and it really shows where Spurrier falls short. Gillen also fills in some gaps with his Immortal issue, but it's elevated once again by just how well he gets every character he focuses on, and Nightcrawler is no exception. Unsurprisingly, Sinister nearly steals the show, but seeing him and Kurt bounce off each other in this desperate situation was really great. I suppose that's why there will be an entire team of Nightcrawler chimeras in Sins of Sinister.

Haven't gotten to the Eternals focused books yet, though they are next on my list.

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth
Legion of X #6 Spoilers

glitchwraith
Dec 29, 2008

Cloks posted:

Legion of X #6 Spoilers



Loved that entire splash page. That and the tap dance where really funny.

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We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007

glitchwraith posted:

Nice double feature for Nightcrawler today, which is almost unfair given how much spotlight he got in the last issue of AXE. Legion of X fills in the gaps left in the initial Arrako attack, in some ways necessary, in other ways less so. Spurrier excels at writing Legion, but his Kurt still seems off. Again he's teleporting as much as possible to be the big drat hero, but compare this to Gillen writing that exact premise twice now and it really shows where Spurrier falls short. Gillen also fills in some gaps with his Immortal issue, but it's elevated once again by just how well he gets every character he focuses on, and Nightcrawler is no exception. Unsurprisingly, Sinister nearly steals the show, but seeing him and Kurt bounce off each other in this desperate situation was really great. I suppose that's why there will be an entire team of Nightcrawler chimeras in Sins of Sinister.

Haven't gotten to the Eternals focused books yet, though they are next on my list.

I love that he attempted to address the whole "why doesn't sinister just reset the timeline?" thing.

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