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Sherbert Hoover posted:it looks dumb, op mods
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lobster shirt posted:no idea about anything gun related but reading hte wikipedia on this is lol this has been a problem with machine guns since the beginning early ones were liquid-cooled but too heavy for infantry use, most modern machine guns instead have removable barrels so if you've got the barrel hot enough that it could warp you yank it out and put in another one modern gatling-style guns don't have multiple barrels to stay cool, they have multiple barrels so they can boost the firing rate way up, the guns still overheat the same way regular machine guns do in a similar span of time
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bedpan posted:That is why everything, all small arms, should be chambered in .45-70 Government. Someone figured out how to make it more expensive with .458 SOCOM, based on the sales pitch that East Africans don’t feel pain or experience fear lol.
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Filthy Hans posted:G11 Overheating Issues Because of how the G11 firing cycle worked, there was no way to cool the chamber. Even with metallic cartridges, it would have been an enormous problem. Not only was the rate of fire high, but without an extraction sequence there was no way to get a blast of fresh air to lower the temperature, let alone firing from an open bolt , like machine guns. When you look at all of the delicate timings and precisely moving parts in the sequence, remember that firearms jam when they get hot, or cook off, or have the rate of fire change, it seems like one of those perfectly spherical cow things where the engineers built a magnificent mechanical clock but a useless firearm because they neglected the problem of heat.
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Has the US MIC tried an obvious solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9s2ayNU204&t=8s
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:Has the US MIC tried an obvious solution: Frosted Flake posted:it was solved in the 1800’s with the development of metallic cartridges.
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All of these were legitimate problems with the G-11 and caseless ammo in general, also I have no clue how one would field strip and clean one and I would love to see someone attempt to. but HOLY poo poo THE ACTION ROTATES INSTEAD OF MOVING BACK AND FORTH IT'S SO SICK
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bedpan posted:why can't they just design the gun to eject the heat then? they should put the heat into the bullet so it does extra fire damage
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maybe they should put it underwater, that would cool things down. give it to the frogmen divers.
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Filthy Hans posted:if looking cool was what mattered then the US soldiers would be rocking the Steyr AUG, which ironically is the best of the 5.56 rifles anyway 
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BULLPUP EVERYTHING
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Retromancer posted:All of these were legitimate problems with the G-11 and caseless ammo in general, also I have no clue how one would field strip and clean one and I would love to see someone attempt to. but HOLY poo poo THE ACTION ROTATES INSTEAD OF MOVING BACK AND FORTH IT'S SO SICK Goons once upon a time loved that gun more than their own family: it is the closest thing to a functional prop from Aliens. gradenko_2000 posted:BULLPUP EVERYTHING Bullpups are bad, but at least they sort of had a point during the Cold War, but everyone would just go with a carbine for mechanized infantry at this point.
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Filthy Hans posted:if looking cool was what mattered then the US soldiers would be rocking the Steyr AUG, which ironically is the best of the 5.56 rifles anyway apparently United States ICE uses the aug. wonder how its used. e: also this tiny town in PA with barely 5,000 people and 12 cops is on a short list of police departments nationally with then p90. what the hell do they do with it lol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutztown,_Pennsylvania mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 10:27 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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i know about all these weird guns becasue they were in Fallout 2 
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I'm still shocked that the SIG SPEAR isn't in the new CoD
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Rutibex posted:they should put the heat into the bullet so it does extra fire damage regular ammo = save the cases for an alt-fire grapeshot
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Yet again, the AK-47 proves to be the superior weapon.
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90s Solo Cup posted:Yet again, the AK-47 proves to be the superior weapon.    
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while we're posting hosed up lookin guns
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Cuttlefush posted:while we're posting hosed up lookin guns ah the needler pistol
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there is a funny possibility that the chinese OICW leads to the squad carrying less poo poo overall, if only because they're in love with squad organic automatic grenade launchers already and 20mm launchers would be a net reduction but also they're just probably not actually going with it at all for general use, since the qts-11 is based on the qbz-03 and they literally just adopted an entirely new rifle with the qbz-191
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indigi posted:20mm grenades... that seems too tiny to bother with Explosive bullets smaller than that are a warcrime under the Hague Conventions, so I think might drive part of it. Otherwise, yeah 20mm and 25mm and worked great as cannon ammunition, but autocannon and grenades differ significantly in range, velocity and rate of fire.
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Cuttlefush posted:while we're posting hosed up lookin guns  the Degtyaryov 27, also known as Stalin's Record Player
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Cuttlefush posted:while we're posting hosed up lookin guns weird gun posting had me looking up stake guns and i found this article https://www.pcgamer.com/an-ode-to-the-stake-gun-and-the-macabre-glory-of-sticking-dudes-to-walls/ quote:An ode to the stake gun and the macabre glory of sticking dudes to walls 
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Cuttlefush posted:how's it shoot underwater Compared to bullets, darts retain stability in water, for reasons that escape me at the moment. There have been quite a few underwater weapons and they all have elongated projectiles like that. 
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Frosted Flake posted:Compared to bullets, darts retain stability in water, for reasons that escape me at the moment. There have been quite a few underwater weapons and they all have elongated projectiles like that. seems like directional mass helps
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Oglethorpe posted:seems like directional mass helps I think so? “It is a well-known fact that conventional projectiles lose their velocity quite rapidly when shot in water. This happens because of simple physics laws: the density of water is higher than that of air. That is why it takes just a few meters to completely 'disarm' a regular bullet. To make underwater weapons efficient, you need to use projectiles that are rather long. So, a 115-mm long needle-like flechette was first introduced by the engineers from TsNIITochMash. The special streamline spear-like shape created a caverne (an air pocket) around the bullet thus reducing the resistance. The telescopic sabot in the cartridge's shell casing prevents the combustion gases from being released after the shot is fired and the projectile is pushed out.” “When shot 5 m underwater, the 5.66 mm projectile reaches its target within the range of 30 m. Lethal range drops as you go deeper underwater making it 20 m when 20 m underwater and just 10 m when 40 m underwater.” “It can be used out of water if necessary, but barely for anything but self-defense. First of all, its out-of-water lethal range is quite small - 100 m max. Second of all, the assault rifle is designed for underwater use, so when shot out of water, its life resource is spent too fast - instead of the 2000 underwater shots the parts can only survive 180 rounds.”
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Frosted Flake posted:Compared to bullets, darts retain stability in water, for reasons that escape me at the moment. There have been quite a few underwater weapons and they all have elongated projectiles like that. from what fluid dynamics i can remember im pretty sure that's mostly due to... pressure drag? maybe viscious drag. i don't actually know. maybe neither. apparently supercavitating ammunition is a thing now. whether it's real, grift, or somewhere in between I don't know either
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well its got the word super in it so im gonna assume its cool and real
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lobster shirt posted:well its got the word super in it so im gonna assume its cool and real Supercavitation is real. The bullets might be bullshit though.
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The nice thing about AKs is they can have a folding stock. Also bull pups suck to shoot any rifle-sized ammo because having the barrel 10-or-so inches closer to your face vibrates your head, more pounds your eardrums more, and gives you a larger faceful of poo poo than you might think.
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Real hurthling! posted:do they have special underwater powder or something in them? there's air enclosed in the cartridge, enough for complete combustion that's why guns can fire underwater or in a vacuum
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Filthy Hans posted:there's air enclosed in the cartridge, enough for complete combustion Gunpowder burns itself without any atmosphere after ignition because it's a self-contained fuel (sulfur/carbon) and oxidizer (potassium nitrate) mix. No air required.
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The Oldest Man posted:Gunpowder burns itself without any atmosphere after ignition because it's a self-contained fuel (sulfur/carbon) and oxidizer (potassium nitrate) mix. No air required. oh
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Yeah they should have more ideas about space guns that aren't lasers. The gyrojet was kind of nifty but if I understand correctly a modern m4 or pistol would fire just fine in the vacuum of space, and totally ruin someone's day wearing a spacesuit. Cooling the weapon down might be more challenging than usual but you could wreak some havoc for a while. I'm sure they thought about it a lot in the cold war. Russian cosmonauts evidently packed pistols in their capsules but only for after splashdown in case of unfriendly wildlife. They wouldn't try to assault and take over the ISS or anything.
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palindrome posted:Yeah they should have more ideas about space guns that aren't lasers. The gyrojet was kind of nifty but if I understand correctly a modern m4 or pistol would fire just fine in the vacuum of space, and totally ruin someone's day wearing a spacesuit. Cooling the weapon down might be challenging but you could wreak some havoc. during Star Wars they were researching using space based particle accelerators as weapons but they had no idea how to really make it work, but it sounded cool.
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palindrome posted:Yeah they should have more ideas about space guns that aren't lasers. The gyrojet was kind of nifty but if I understand correctly a modern m4 or pistol would fire just fine in the vacuum of space, and totally ruin someone's day wearing a spacesuit. Cooling the weapon down might be more challenging than usual but you could wreak some havoc for a while. For All Mankind features an arc where alt history US and USSR get into a slapfight on the moon with slightly adapted carbine type guns and the same awkward space suits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vC_N4RHgM
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