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As far as I understood the plans of my brother the FE models are best suited for DIY customizing of watercooling solutions. He wants to fiddle and tweak the FE and not paying the boardpartners. I prefer the out of the box/plug’n’play AIB models and get more fps than the FE but it is still quieter and cooler…..while beeing aware that that’s another 500 Euro on top. That’s the tax for getting the best tested and stable all around cooling+noise+overclocking add ons including warranty. That’s 2500 Euro but my last holiday trip with my wife was more expensive than the 4090 will be and it’s my hobby after all. I already got a buyer for my 3090 as well so that helps funding the 4090. e: He bought the complete system later as his CPU was just too slow for the 3090. Just wait for the tests and benchmarks if you are not already locked in for a special custom 4090. Mr.PayDay fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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Shumagorath posted:This has to be some kind of gimmick. Not really, just 40+ year old gaming enthusiasts. My neighbor spends the equivalent of 3 4090s every year just for this car leasing and still has to fuel it. It’s where I shrug similar like you might now when reading about 4090 buyers 
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These purple lines mean my GPU is borked right? I just got it from EVGA (3070) via their refurbished deals  .Will they refund me or only replace? I think i'd prefer to just get a new card at this point. 
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Mr.PayDay posted:Not really, just 40+ year old gaming enthusiasts. My neighbor spends the equivalent of 3 4090s every year just for this car leasing and still has to fuel it. It’s where I shrug similar like you might now when reading about 4090 buyers I’m actually 100% with you. Even the 4090 isn’t much as far as hobbies go. For example a good mountain bike is 5k+ just for the bike not counting car mounting, accessories, clothing. The 4090 is only relativey expensive vs historic trends, not objectively unaffordable vs any other medium to high expense hobby.
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PittTheElder posted:They were the only ones selling FE's here I think. Were they in-store or only online?
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Taima posted:I’m actually 100% with you. Even the 4090 isn’t much as far as hobbies go.
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Reasier posted:These purple lines mean my GPU is borked right? Yep this GPU is damaged. Unfortunate… Ask for a new GPU. And yet tragical funny because the only 2 GPUs (in 25 years of gaming GPUs) that forced me to follow the RMA process were my EVGA 980Ti and EVGA 2080Ti. There where many whispers in the industry that EVGA had a far too expensive support and service overhead and lacked quality control. The failed EVGA 3090s with poor soldering design confirmed by EVGA were just another issue, Maybe they would have stayed in business with less financial incompetence and better products. Igor Wallosek alias Igor‘s Lab had some similar takes here.
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Oct 8, 2022 21:23
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The 4090 will keep it's value longer than a Peloton at least, and Nvidia isn't in any danger of going bust either. If you break it down it's roughly 67$-80$ a month over two years to buy a 4090, and quite honestly that's really easy to spend that much on a nice dinner and a couple of drinks once a week or month.
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Mr.PayDay posted:There where many whispers in the industry that EVGA had a far too expensive support and service overhead and lacked quality control. Part of the problem is that EVGA contracted out their assembly... the factory is incentivized to cut their own costs by cutting corners, where if you're running your own factory then presumably you won't do that because you're the one on the hook for support costs... but what's not to like about cutting your costs and letting some other client foot the bill? the classic "mis-aligned incentives between partners" thing
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I’m paying for a wedding this month anyway, so the 4090 looks like a pretty minor expenditure in that context. Also I want one.
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infraboy posted:The 4090 will keep it's value longer than a Peloton at least, and Nvidia isn't in any danger of going bust either. Exactly. I was just conservative saving money the last 2 years for the 4090 as well while liquidating the 3090 to get some money back and making another gaming buddy happy. Asides the 4090 is a stupid irrational purchase and just a toy but who cares. No one needs a 4090 for Pc Gaming anyway.
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Subjunctive posted:I’m paying for a wedding this month anyway, so the 4090 looks like a pretty minor expenditure in that context. Also I want one.
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I have that same effect too when I buy something really nice I feel that splurging a little bit on a nice consumable item (usually food) it doesn't seem like a big deal at that point.
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Shumagorath posted:GPU Megat[H]read: The 4090 costs much less than my wedding; plus I want one.
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The 4090 is a bit more defensible in this aspect I think. 3090 was just throwing a thousand bucks for a few extra frames (and because of loving miners).  I mean sure why not but I'd rather have an extra vacation.
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PC gaming is the vacation. But yeah 4090 really only makes sense if you're pushing 4k as I have a 4k 144hz monitor and 4k/120hz TV to play with. Still on the fence a bit until the benchmark embargo is released.
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Taima posted:I’m actually 100% with you. Even the 4090 isn’t much as far as hobbies go. It isn't and it is. Take care of that bike and you'll be using that frame forever with part swap outs here and there.
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I'm regularly checking MSI/Asus/Gigabyte to see if any of them release a 4090 card with a full cover water block for custom loops and so far nothing, the only water cooled cards listed at the moment are all AIO types. Hopefully someone announces one soon and it isn't permanent vaporware, I'm getting tired of pulling apart $1500+ GPUs to slap an additional $300 water block on it... Suffering fan noise is not an option and one look at how humongous the cards are makes me seriously question if they will even fit in my well loaded full tower case.
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jisforjosh posted:It isn't and it is. Take care of that bike and you'll be using that frame forever with part swap outs here and there. An MTB getting serious use? No you won't. It will last a long time, but eventually it will be a serious risk of failure one way or another even if it doesn't take any abnormal abuse. And also, parts availability is not forever. The specs of things change and older parts stop being produced. My current bike is about 4 years old, probably within 10 years there will be wear parts that you cannot replace new. It's true that PC gaming is a relatively inexpensive hobby, but that's not a particularly good argument to spend the maximum possible on it. There are plenty of other hobbies that are way cheaper if we want to go by that standard.
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hobbesmaster posted:I wonder if there will be any meaningful performance improvement. The 3070ti was a hot, wet and expensive fart with its 6X memory. The 3060ti does more than fine with a 256bit bus and slower GDDR6. Only thing it needed for world domination was oddball 1.5GB memory chips to get 12GB, 8 is already cutting it awfully close now in certain games.
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I wonder if Nvidia has ever considered partitioning into fast and slow RAM, that could be a great way to get to where they need capacity-wise without jumping to 16GB. Both the current gen Xboxes have a fast/slow RAM split, so developers are dealing with it already.
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K8.0 posted:…MTB stuff… I find this very hard to believe, but it’s been years since I was a bike mechanic so idk Electronics stuff has always been throwaway since the 90’s while bikes never have
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They had it on the 970 and it was awful, any time a game needed more than 3.5gb of ram performance took a big hit. Consoles can tolerate it because they're designing for fixed settings on fixed hardware and can explicitly manage everything. On PC it's just not worth the problems it causes.
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Twerk from Home posted:I wonder if Nvidia has ever considered partitioning into fast and slow RAM, that could be a great way to get to where they need capacity-wise without jumping to 16GB.
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Are there going to be games that support DLSS 3 on release, or is that just all games that already use DLSS?
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sauer kraut posted:The 3070ti was a hot, wet and expensive fart with its 6X memory. 3070ti is a 3070 with 6x and 3080 power run through the core to make it look like a ti. It only has 2 more SMs! (48 vs 46)
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Shumagorath posted:I mean… the XBone did that too with ESRAM but it was a disaster. Making devs think harder is deeply unpopular. Could ESRAM even be directly accessed? I thought it was effectively an L3 cache so would be completely transparent to a developer.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Are there going to be games that support DLSS 3 on release, or is that just all games that already use DLSS? it requires extra work to support but here's the list of games/apps where it's confirmed to be in the works: A Plague Tale: Requiem Atomic Heart Black Myth: Wukong Bright Memory: Infinite Chernobylite Conqueror's Blade Cyberpunk 2077 Dakar Desert Rally Deliver Us Mars Destroy All Humans! 2 - Reprobed Dying Light 2 Stay Human F1Ⓡ 22 F.I.S.T.: Forged In Shadow Torch Frostbite Engine HITMAN 3 Hogwarts Legacy ICARUS Jurassic World Evolution 2 Justice Loopmancer Marauders Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered Microsoft Flight Simulator Midnight Ghost Hunt Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord Naraka: Bladepoint NVIDIA Omniverse NVIDIA Racer RTX PERISH Portal with RTX Ripout S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl Scathe Sword and Fairy 7 SYNCED The Lord of the Rings: Gollum The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt THRONE AND LIBERTY Tower of Fantasy Unity Unreal Engine 4 & 5 Warhammer 40,000: Darktide no idea how many will be ready for when the 4090 launches though, & a lot are games that aren't out yet
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Shumagorath posted:I mean… the XBone did that too with ESRAM but it was a disaster. Making devs think harder is deeply unpopular. Sure, but the ESRAM was megabytes of fast RAM, the Series X is 10GB of fast RAM and 6GB of slow. I'd assume that really changes the strategies of how to effectively use it.
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Wow I don't play any of those guess I can wait for the RTX 4050
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hobbesmaster posted:Could ESRAM even be directly accessed? I thought it was effectively an L3 cache so would be completely transparent to a developer. it wasn't a cache, developers had to janitor it manually usually the main framebuffer ended up there Twerk from Home posted:Sure, but the ESRAM was megabytes of fast RAM, the Series X is 10GB of fast RAM and 6GB of slow. I'd assume that really changes the strategies of how to effectively use it. it's also shared with the CPU - in general the GPU resources probably all or mostly end up in the 10GB portion
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lih posted:if the 3060 Ti refresh is actually cheaper like that suggests that's fantastic news £369 is the regular 3060 Ti's FE msrp: https://www.scan.co.uk/nvidia/products/3060ti/ryv9wkid8295bj?g=4f07b220-1dcd-4047-8b7f-ba0d6b717d74 So no price movement up or down. edit: I just realized that the price in that article is derived from that retail listing so it doesn't really mean anything. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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oh i remembered it being a little more for some reason but i think i just forgot that the price was in pounds lol still don't really understand why they're throwing gddr6x on the 3060 ti though, surely that's just going to make it hotter & more expensive for not that much benefit in this case?
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New Samsung GDDR6 is faster than micron GDDR6x, I’m sure it’s a wafer allocation thing.
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Seems stupid that the 4090 is still using 21 gbps GDDR6X. Give us that 24 gbps goodness. Guess that's probably coming with the Ti.
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21 gbps was probably a surer thing for yields and I absolutely agree that’s going to make an appearance on ti versions.
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lih posted:oh i remembered it being a little more for some reason but i think i just forgot that the price was in pounds lol 6X is more power efficient than 6, it’s just also clocked much higher. Maybe they are getting runt bin 6x and it won’t be clocked at 19gbps like the 3070/3080? Or maybe these are runt GA102 dies? These sort of very late SKU shenanigans are not abnormal for Nvidia to clear inventory or target weird niches, like the 1060 5GB or 2060 KO. Wouldn’t surprise me if the 3060 Ti with 6X ends up as a similar weird footnote.
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with how expensive these flagships are getting they should just bring back HBM hopper has 3.35TB/sec bandwidth, let the gamers have that you cowards
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