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https://news.zerkalo.io/economics/23619.html Looks like Luka finally caved in. Imo this is the end, I am a Belarusian but cannot make any prediction whatsoever of how everyone will react
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Chill Monster posted:I see where you are coming from, and realistically, I would do the same too. However, offshoring and not disclosing large amounts of capital is never a good look, especially when you are running for president on a platform of anti-corruption. I am not trying to make Zelinskyy into some kind of villain, as what he did was pretty much par-for-the-course for rich Ukrainian guys, but it is still problematic in my opinion, and more of a symptom of underlying problems in Ukraine. Again, I think that Zelinksyy will serve as a bellwether for corruption after the war. If he repatriates all of that capital after the war, that would set an amazing precedent. Consider these https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/4/pandora-papers-ukraine-leader-seeks-to-justify-offshore-accounts Yeah, although he did it way before becoming president. I would also be kind of surprised if what he did wasn't fully legal, if it looks shady optically to some people. Like personally I think you'd have to be insane if you lived in Venezuela or Lebanon or wherever and didn't offshore your money, so if I found someone with legitimate wealth who supposedly kept all their money in countries like that, I'd be suspicious as all hell. Maybe I'm just burned by the financially-incorruptible freely elected president of Tunisia, Kais Saied, turning into a power hungry dictator, even if he does appear to be 100% genuinely not driven by any personal material gain. I'd rather a real human being run my country rather than RoboCop (his nickname). But at least in Tunisia, 100% of people upper-middle-class or above, do a lot of offshoring of money, because otherwise you're trapped and there's almost no legitimate way of expatriating money, so good luck even like, going and visiting your family in Canada if your money is all in Tunisia. Sekenr posted:https://news.zerkalo.io/economics/23619.html Luka has been saying this basically the whole time, I guess to justify to Russia why he's not going to contribute forces to invade -- he needs to protect Belarus from predatory Poles and Ukrainians. Maybe it's different this time, but it's a common "cry wolf" statement from him. Saladman fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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PerilPastry posted:Yeah, I mean seriously? If you're going to make disinfo at least try to make it internally consistent! Ukraine deploying the forces of Namor to take the jewel of the east, Belarus. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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PederP posted:Our health sector would collapse without Swedish health workers commuting daily to their jobs in Denmark. From what I hear the Danish alcohol retail sector would struggle without Swedish alcoholics too.
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Germany's consulates building was among those hit. Good news though, the consulate is in 22nd floor out of 27, shouldn't affect the consulate's work! https://mobile.twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1579391516988309505
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Nenonen posted:Germany's consulates building was among those hit. Good news though, the consulate is in 22nd floor out of 27, shouldn't affect the consulate's work! Important to note that the consulate itself is in a separate building. 101 Tower just houses the visa office. Also the visa office was unused since the start of the war according to Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-ria-state-agency-reports-fuel-tank-fire-kerch-bridge-crimea-2022-10-08/ beer_war fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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CSM posted:Might want to include sources for this? This was charter97 sourcing Vitalyi Kim's telegram channel https://charter97.org/ru/news/2022/10/10/519294/ I can't find much besides that, so better to wait for further reports
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PederP posted:The power to the Danish island of Bornholm (right next to the NS pipeline breaches) was cut this morning until emergency generators were able to restore it. The main power source is a cable from the Swedish mainland. It is still not determined if the cable was intentionally damaged or if a ship's anchor accidentally severed it (which has happened occasionally in the past). Of course it’s an act of war and could trigger Article 5, but won’t. So was the attack on the Nords in the Baltic. I will say that Putin is playing a very dangerous game though, and he thinks he can get away with it because his nuclear blackmail actually works very well at letting him get away with this kind of poo poo with virtual impunity. Mostly he’s right.
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ZombieLenin posted:Of course it’s an act of war and could trigger Article 5, but won’t. So was the attack on the Nords in the Baltic. It is also elementary for state level actors to do those things as a casus belli or to provoke others into aggressive acts between parties (or to be just a coincidence as noted by someone else). No need to froth at the mouth declaring that this means war. After all, western allies have already taken $300 billion off Russia, this is not anything remotely close to the same cost or impact.
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Nenonen posted:How's so? Or is this just a matter of opinion? It's notoriously difficult to get a timely number of casualties from situations like these, for example there was an accidental explosion at a petrol station in the Republic of Ireland a couple of days ago and the number of injured & death was being revised several times throughout the day. It took until this morning I believe, for the total count to be finally confirmed. Initial counts of casualties tend to be inaccurate and subject to revisions as emergency workers sort the situation out. It's almost certain more than 5 people died in the terror attacks by the Russians.
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Oct 10, 2022 12:16
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Lid posted:It's a London Blitz or Tokyo Firebombing style attack. The point isn't military It's morale. Yeah, fascists always seem to think this kind of terrorism will accomplish something and it always backfires. It just makes the victims more determined to fight back and it also wastes munitions against nonmilitary targets. Imagine if every Russian strike against civilians had hit a military target instead.
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You do wonder if these strikes cost Russia more than Ukraine. Like dinging a footbridge with a ballistic missile doesn't seem like the greatest return on investment.
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Gort posted:You do wonder if these strikes cost Russia more than Ukraine. Like dinging a footbridge with a ballistic missile doesn't seem like the greatest return on investment. Undoubtedly. Unless they start hitting targets that drastically undermine Ukraine’s C3 or ability to move materiel to the front they’re not doing anything of strategic significance. Even if you assume terror bombing is effective (it’s not) they started the war with an estimated 3,000 standoff weapons, you couldn’t level a suburb with that let alone a city. Mearsheimer claiming they would reduce Ukraine to rubble was hopeless optimism on his part.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:It is also elementary for state level actors to do those things as a casus belli or to provoke others into aggressive acts between parties (or to be just a coincidence as noted by someone else). No need to froth at the mouth declaring that this means war. After all, western allies have already taken $300 billion off Russia, this is not anything remotely close to the same cost or impact. Yes, some of these incidents may be (and I hope they are) coincidences, but the jamming one is obviously a targeted act of sabotage/harassment. I don't think it can be compared to western sanctions. "We will not trade with you" is absolutely not the same as damaging infrastructure. One is the refusal to engage in economic transactions (and note that the sanctions wisely do not include medicine, food and humanitarian supplies) - the other is engaging in hostile acts of destruction. Cost or impact is not the only factor. Now I don't think anyone will go to war over cut power cables or trains being unable to run - nor will they over jammed navigation equipment. But if this continues the damage piles up and also the risk of a more serious incident goes up. What if navigational jamming results in ships colliding and environmental disaster? What if cut power leads directly to loss of human life? It's not just a dangerous game of brinkmanship - it's an escalation and a risky one at that. Even during the cold war such activities were only done by proxy. It's hard to discuss this without getting clancychatty - but the ramping up of Russian harassment and (perhaps) sabotage against NATO countries is a significant, and dangerous, development. It is not just tit-for-tat and comparable to economic sanctions. It's yet another a violation of the Pax Europaea, where sanctions and stern letters are the upper limit to acceptable use of force. I hope Putin does not think this activity will reduce European support of Ukraine and opposition to Russia. Because I think it is more likely to cause further escalation and spillover.
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Ukrainian intelligence says that these strikes have been planned for some time before the Crimean bridge was hit. The fact that they knew about this in advance may explain why the attacks seem to have been so ineffective https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1579427399040917504
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Chalks posted:Ukrainian intelligence says that these strikes have been planned for some time before the Crimean bridge was hit. The fact that they knew about this in advance may explain why the attacks seem to have been so ineffective What an absurd waste of high-tech weaponry to accomplish so little.
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Allegedly, shooting down a cruise missile with Igla MANPADS https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1579434891225464834?cxt=HHwWhIDQ1crqo-srAAAA
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I mean I'm sure those strikes had been planned in some sense, meaning that Russia probably has a list of places where it would some day like to send missiles so I'm not sure what "planned for some time" means in practice. I'm also skeptical that someone high-level in the Russian military is giving Ukraine a list of the targets and when they will be fired upon. Also most of the missiles seem to have hit something, right? It's not like Ukrainians moved an airbase out of the way of central Kyiv and replaced it with a park and a duck pond in the past ten days, or relocated their central military HQ with a pedestrian bridge. The RUF targets also seem to have been largely or entirely stationary objects, which means what could the Ukrainians even do about it if they knew Russia would send missiles there in a particular window of time? Presumably their anti-missile defenses around Kyiv are working 24/7, and aren't just active whenever. Like I don't get what advanced warning would even do. "Hey guys make sure to actually look at your radar today instead of sitting around playing cards"? Like no kidding everyone's going to be on high alert (a) during a war and (b) right after a very high profile hit on the Russian military.
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Chalks posted:Ukrainian intelligence says that these strikes have been planned for some time before the Crimean bridge was hit. The fact that they knew about this in advance may explain why the attacks seem to have been so ineffective Might explain some pro Russian posts saying the new general in charge of the invasion has been given the go ahead to launch everything short of nukes at Ukraine. They might be finding out the expensive way that Ukraine has better air defences that mud huts in Syria.
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https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1579402941311877121 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-cybersecurity-chief-faces-dismissal-reports-2022-10-09/ https://twitter.com/andreas_krieg/status/1579422127408570368 https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/bsi-schoenbohm-101.html Bit of an odd part from the German article, might be because I read it machine translated to English otherwise that seems extremely stupid: quote:The head of the Federal Office for Information Security, Schönbohm, has been criticized for his affiliation with an association that is said to have contacts with the Russian secret service. Now he is about to lose his job.Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser intends to dismiss the President of the Federal Office for Information Security (BSI), Arne Schönbohm, shortl...
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Latest casualty figures remain incredibly low https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1579436182924320768
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Allegedly, shooting down a cruise missile with Igla MANPADS If true, the level of coordination with Ukrainian Air Defense must be absolutely crazy for 'couple of guys in a field with MANPADS' to be an effective counter to cruise missiles.
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Atreiden posted:Bit of an odd part from the German article, might be because I read it machine translated to English otherwise that seems extremely stupid: He did nothing illegal and so he can't be fired for cause according to German public servant law.
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quote:Kyrgyzstan cancels Russian-led military drill on its land  yes I wonder why they wouldn't want to have those particular countries in the same place on their landCharlotte Hornets posted:Allegedly, shooting down a cruise missile with Igla MANPADS
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Allegedly, shooting down a cruise missile with Igla MANPADS drat, what a shot. Kalibr is basically a Tomahawk, Igła should be enough to catch it, but you have to be in the right place.
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Atreiden posted:Bit of an odd part from the German article, might be because I read it machine translated to English otherwise that seems extremely stupid: Not really. It's a civil servant, not a political appointee. You really don't want politicians to have the ability to fire civil servants at will. That leads to chaos, or worse. The connection to the FSB is pretty tenuous, but the Cyber-Clown hasn't had a good reputation among German IT people, and neither does his shady "Cyber-Sicherheitsrat", the companys in it, or the BSI by association. The allegations aren't new either. I strongly suspect the Ministry of the Interior is using the recent media attention to finally get rid of him.
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Kikas posted:drat, what a shot. Kalibr is basically a Tomahawk, Igła should be enough to catch it, but you have to be in the right place. I know Ukraine has a way to coordinate artillery through some sort of app networking, do they have the same for air defence? "Ivan Petro near Izyum, we're tracking a cruise missile that will pass within 100 meters of your position in 5 minutes, get ready."
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Chalks posted:An empty children's playground isn't going to have a morale impact - like this is such a perfect photo op for Ukraine I'd suspect a false flag if it wasn't so impossible. Also the strike on the completely empty pedestrian bridge is comical since it failed to actually damage it. This is what boggles my mind, its not like they dont know where the SBU headquarters is, sure that has already probably been evacated, but surely more meaning than this. These were the types of strikes western intel seemed to honestly be expecting before the war, I think they missed how much Russians see Kyiv and a Russian city which they would never destroy, not that that saved Mariupol.
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Chalks posted:An empty children's playground isn't going to have a morale impact - like this is such a perfect photo op for Ukraine I'd suspect a false flag if it wasn't so impossible. Also the strike on the completely empty pedestrian bridge is comical since it failed to actually damage it. In Mexico they will often actually change cities names to have honorifics and titles after wars and patriotic events like they would with people. Name this bridge a hero of Ukraine.
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Comedy option: they are getting the coordinates for rocket strikes from those old Soviet maps that had all the features deliberately distorted to frustrate potential hostile military actions. So they are aiming for crucial infrastructure and hitting water fountains in parks.
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Chalks posted:An empty children's playground isn't going to have a morale impact - like this is such a perfect photo op for Ukraine I'd suspect a false flag if it wasn't so impossible. Also the strike on the completely empty pedestrian bridge is comical since it failed to actually damage it. I think he meant these strikes are 1) intended to boost Russian morale 2) an extremely poor strategy for breaking Ukrainian morale. Fascists keep trying this tactic and it never works. I have to wonder if something in the totalitarian mindset just can't comprehend that just because you can terrorize your own population into submission, it doesnt work on foreign populations, because people with their own military react differently to this kind of thing
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steinrokkan posted:Comedy option: they are getting the coordinates for rocket strikes from those old Soviet maps that had all the features deliberately distorted to frustrate potential hostile military actions. So they are aiming for crucial infrastructure and hitting water fountains in parks. Well, they did hit near the meeting place of the 1917 Parliament and the "Presidential Administration Building" from "Servant of the People"
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That bridge gets pretty packed when it's not being bombed, I guess that's one place that wouldn't have many people yet during morning rush hour. Starts right where the arc intersects with the wall in the background  This is also right next to the national philharmonic, cultural center, a fountain and some other monuments. Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think he meant these strikes are Seeing as how the hardliners were freaking the gently caress out over the stupid bridge, he clearly had to do something drastic to make it look like he's taking it seriously in order to appease them mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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FishBulbia posted:This is what boggles my mind, its not like they dont know where the SBU headquarters is, sure that has already probably been evacated, but surely more meaning than this.
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They missiled the Babi Yar monument, they have no compulsions about what targets are off limits, they just loving suuuck
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:In Mexico they will often actually change cities names to have honorifics and titles after wars and patriotic events like they would with people. This is the Klitschko bridge. The current mayor of Kiev (also professional boxer, two times heavyweight champ turned politician), a very active participant of the current conflict. It's already done in a way 
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steinrokkan posted:They missiled the Babi Yar monument, they have no compulsions about what targets are off limits, they just loving suuuck the babi yar monument that ultranationalists hated because it blamed collaborators, btw.
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If we say other countries do terrorism and war crimes enough, we're allowed to do terrorism and war crimes ourselves. This line of thinking has been ever-present in Russian propaganda throughout the last 15 years and is the main justification of the war. Kadyrov today summed it up yet again.quote:Zelenskyi is complaining about us shelling Kyiv and other cities.
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gay picnic defence posted:Ukraine has better air defences that mud huts in Syria. Please keep the casual racism to a minimum please and thanks. Edit: "Ukraine has better air defenses than they experienced in Syria." Is a good example with the same amount of words - pretty easy imo BadOptics fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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