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Magnetic North posted:I don't understand where the 20 comes from. Also, how do the old border cards fit into this? They're in their own slot, right? So doesn't that change the odds? There are 10 dual lands. Since they are in the pool twice, it's like there's 20 dual lands. The old border slot applies to any card so it has no impact quote:Speaking of Volcanic Island, we know the dual lands are an iconic part of Magic's early history, so each dual land appears twice as frequently as any other non-dual land rare. This is true for both modern frame and retro frame dual lands.
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HootTheOwl posted:There are 10 dual lands. Since they are in the pool twice, it's like there's 20 dual lands. The old border slot applies to any card so it has no impact did something change or did i misread it but i thought it was an old border in each pack, 30% of the old border will be rares
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Strong Sauce posted:did something change or did i misread it but i thought it was an old border in each pack, 30% of the old border will be rares Oh you're right: ~16% + A percent (three-tenths chance of getting ten-in-113 chance. A little more if the duals are doubled here too.)
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Magnetic North posted:I'm late on this (not because I didn't hear but because I was kinda busy when news broke). Simulators are nice, but does anyone have a link to someone smart who has a math breakdown of the odds? All the links Google is giving me are ones on Reddit, which is having a moment right now. Here is a sheet with calculations for the EV https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCisBWZ1GU2DjJzmGWCBLWYHDgnC7-kptPvG0IkBkdg/edit#gid=1030213132 Also these calculations for odds from here https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/arti...4-f8503528386e/ "According to the announcement, each pack contains one Rare and one retro frame slot, which contains a Rare approximately three out of ten times. Taking all this into account, the probability P[No Lotus] that neither the Rare nor the retro frame slot features a Black Lotus is 122/123 * (0.7 + 0.3 * 122/123) = 0.9895. This means that the probability to open at least one Black Lotus in a single pack, 1 - P[No Lotus], is 1.05%, and the probability to open at least one Black Lotus in four packs, 1 - P[No Lotus]^4, is 4.15%." "But how likely is that? Well, let's run the numbers. The Power Nine is comprised of all five Moxen, Black Lotus, Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, and Timetwister. The probability that the Rare slot contains Power is 9/123 and the probability that the retro frame slot contains Power is 0.3 * 9/123. Multiplying both probabilities yields 0.16%. So approximately one out of every 623 packs will contain two pieces of the Power Nine" goodness fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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goodness posted:Here is a sheet with calculations for the EV https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCisBWZ1GU2DjJzmGWCBLWYHDgnC7-kptPvG0IkBkdg/edit#gid=1030213132 Thank you. Man oh man it's really really bad.
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Magnetic North posted:I'm late on this (not because I didn't hear but because I was kinda busy when news broke). Simulators are nice, but does anyone have a link to someone smart who has a math breakdown of the odds? All the links Google is giving me are ones on Reddit, which is having a moment right now. Known math-genius Frank Karsten did it https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/arti...4-f8503528386e/ e: oh lol there was another page
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Oct 10, 2022 23:17
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ilmucche posted:Can't wizards come out and say "these cards are commander legal but not legacy and vintage " full stop? They make the banlist, let the commander committee sort it out Commander doesn't need that hassle.
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ilmucche posted:Can't wizards come out and say "these cards are commander legal but not legacy and vintage " full stop? They make the banlist, let the commander committee sort it out The commander council has come out and said no. I am a bit shocked, but lets see how long it holds. Its not going to really matter as the amount of these cards in the general population is going to be small (the non-china ones at least). https://twitter.com/SheldonMenery/status/1578049312000561155?s=20&t=WkGf8Pb-T9p3WgXqb5dVBw
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Sickening posted:The commander council has come out and said no. I am a bit shocked, but lets see how long it holds. Ilmucche meant the Unfinity cards, not the 30th Anniversary cards
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Chamale posted:Ilmucche meant the Unfinity cards, not the 30th Anniversary cards Yeah sorry, I might not have been clear on that
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Gynovore posted:Invoke Despair is super awesome but it absolutely has to go in monoblack. Don't try to jam it into WB. It doesn't work. I tried. It doesn't work. There is a grixis deck where you copy it with the flashback iteration card that i've been winning with on the ladder a whole lot.
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Sickening posted:The commander council has come out and said no. I am a bit shocked, but lets see how long it holds. Dang, so that means there's basically no conceivable market for these (outside of obviously people just agreeing that's dumb and letting people use them) I guess people that want to collect the power 9 or og duals or whatever, but like.. in a card sized form they can't use rather than either the insanely expensive actual versions or a cool art print or something
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Weird Pumpkin posted:I guess people that want to collect the power 9 or og duals or whatever, but like.. in a card sized form they can't use rather than either the insanely expensive actual versions or a cool art print or something What they should have done was sell the entire set as 4x6 jumbo cards in jumbo booster packs.
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Dang, so that means there's basically no conceivable market for these (outside of obviously people just agreeing that's dumb and letting people use them) You can just play with them at your store in your commander deck though. It's a casual format. lol I didn't realize that Collectors edition was 50 bucks when it was printed.
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mcmagic posted:You can just play with them at your store in your commander deck though. It's a casual format. Yeah but CE was a one-time buy of a set of 363 cards, so it was not stupidly extortionate
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Arivia posted:Yeah but CE was a one-time buy of a set of 363 cards, so it was not stupidly extortionate Yea that is what I'm saying. It was a customer friendly product that you knew what you were buying.
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Beta is such a distributional shitshow from a power level/value perspective (and frankly unworkable limited environment) that there is something to be said for cracking-packs-as-gambling being a proper tribute to it, though a nice CE-esque collected edition would have been a much more functional and consumer-friendly product for Commander (and Old School I guess?) and been a nice boost of goodwill on the anniversary the funny bit is that they could have still been wildly predatory and been praised for it if they'd just stuck to regular-extortionate Double Masters pack prices (or hell like $25/pack) (I also think there's a solid argument that such a product would likely do less to undermine the secondary market value of the original cards than actual M30, but I guess we'll see)
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I wonder how successful it would have been if it was literally just the original collectors edition but a thousand bucks. I'd be tempted, honestly. I wanted one as a kid but it wasn't really feasible to get one anymore by the time I was playing in stores.
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Captain Invictus posted:I wonder how successful it would have been if it was literally just the original collectors edition but a thousand bucks. If it was that and commander legal it would sell as many copies as they could print.
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I bought the 40k warhammer cards what sleeves should I get for this? I haven't played in a decade and never played commander even once.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I bought the 40k warhammer cards There are about a billion good standard sized card game sleeves out there now, but I think the most popular are generally dragon shields or ultimate guard katana.
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Oct 11, 2022 02:54
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Note that you’ll need 101 sleeves not 75, but pretty much every store sells sleeves in that count now since Commander is so popular.
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Why would you let some committee that has nothing to do with wotc tell you what version of a card you can sleeve up and play with
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Koirhor posted:Why would you let some committee that has nothing to do with wotc tell you what version of a card you can sleeve up and play with Depends on if the people you’re playing with let you, right?
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More importantly: They're not going to be cheaper than the real thing.
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We did proxy Legacy on Friday and I played Oops All Spells. I went 0-3 but I got the turn 1 combo win off in each game so I went home happy at the absurdity of it. My last game was against a dude playing Reanimator and it went like this: game 1 he won the die roll, comboed off and won turn 1, game 2 I was on the play, comboed off and won turn 1, game 3 he was on the play, comboed off and won turn 1. Our entire match took eight minutes and half of that was shuffling and laughing at how hilarious the matchup was. Overall it was a ton of fun to see new decks and play a new format for basically free. The only bad part was the 3 people playing some variant of Azorius in Control decks and going to time every single round. Also picked up the Tyranids deck and played in a release day event. Won the pod where it came down to me and another Tyranids player. It wasn't really fair though because the other three players were 40k folks picking up Commander decks for the first time/after a very long absence from Magic. The foil Fabricate is nice and I opened my third foil Leyline Binding out of the promo pack I got as a prize, so on the whole it was a good time.
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goodness posted:Here is a sheet with calculations for the EV https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCisBWZ1GU2DjJzmGWCBLWYHDgnC7-kptPvG0IkBkdg/edit#gid=1030213132 Pulling a black lotus is easy! Also those other rares are baaaad 
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mcmagic posted:Depends on if the people you’re playing with let you, right? Yeah I think in theory the difference is if the rules dudes say it's ok then you can use them everywhere, whereas since they didn't there's gonna be some weird sticklers that will throw a fit about them Then again, you probably don't want to play with those people anyway so I guess no loss there 
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mcmagic posted:Depends on if the people you’re playing with let you, right? Yes. WOTC has dissolved their control over play to the point that they only have say in the very few sanctioned events that exist. I don't know what kind of stranglehold WOTC has over the supply of boxes now that they use distributors less, but I can't see a good reason to be a sanctioned LGS otherwise.
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ilmucche posted:Can't wizards come out and say "these cards are commander legal but not legacy and vintage " full stop? They make the banlist, let the commander committee sort it out Commander is a sanctioned format that can be played at fnm.
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I can't remember who was originally asking, but players at my store (myself included) are making un-commander decks with various unset cards including Unfinity. We're the weirdoes who have pauper decks, cheepnis decks, and other flavorful jank. It's all about what your group is okay with. In other news, Magic finally gets a hundred postcard set. Two of my paper collecting hobbies are finally coming together. https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Gathering-Postcard-Masterworks-Postcards/dp/0593577728
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I brought my Drake posted:I can't remember who was originally asking, but players at my store (myself included) are making un-commander decks with various unset cards including Unfinity. We're the weirdoes who have pauper decks, cheepnis decks, and other flavorful jank. It's all about what your group is okay with.
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What's a "cheepnis deck?" Trying to google that is almost an old-school googlebomb.
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Arivia posted:What's a "cheepnis deck?" Trying to google that is almost an old-school googlebomb. Take a commander well known for shenanigans and build a cheap knockoff. I think everyone has a different name for it: budget, dollar store, whatever, but I call it cheepnis. Frank Zappa wrote a song about it.
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Arivia posted:Note that you’ll need 101 sleeves not 75, but pretty much every store sells sleeves in that count now since Commander is so popular. I see they sell in 100 not 101 https://www.miniaturemarket.com/at-10003.html
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mcmagic posted:If it was that and commander legal it would sell as many copies as they could print. As if it's not already going to sell as many copies as they can print.
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Dang, so that means there's basically no conceivable market for these (outside of obviously people just agreeing that's dumb and letting people use them) YggdrasilTM posted:It's just a collector item.
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