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Subjunctive posted:Oops, I have the Torrent Compact! Looks like 330mm given how wide the cards are. That’ll fit an FE, but I’m not sure about non-AIO AIB cards… Make sure the Torrent Compact's clearances include fans. If that's 330mm without fans, then no 4090 is gonna fit with fans installed. (the torrent compact has extra thick fans) shrike82 posted:The Phanteks Evolv X just based on a quick googling - I have an Ampere A6000 squeezed in with a Thunderbolt daughter card which I guess I can remove The phanteks site suggests that this case can support up to 435mm-long cards and the 4090 FE is 304mm
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Thanks for the chart! This page makes it look like I could get to 343 with 140mm fans, I think. Probably I’ll go AIO if I can’t get an FE, then. Or there’s this arrangement with 180mm fans:  That would give me lots of clearance length-wise, but I’m not sure enough ventilation for the CPU with a D-15S.
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repiv posted:note that arrangement with the 180s on the bottom only works with a microATX motherboard Yeah, I’ve got a TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS for the current AM4 build, which I think is mATX…
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in that case you may as well go all out with the 3x180mm arrangement fractal sells those fans separately so you can pick up a third https://www.newegg.com/fractal-design-dyn-x2-gp18-pwm-bk-case-fan/p/N82E16835352093
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repiv posted:
lmao my silverstone FARA R1(322mm GPU clearance) can't fit any of the AIB cards without removing at least the front mid case fan
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4090 just barely hitting 60fps in portal rtx with a 1080p internal resolution   the tech is gorgeous but we're still a way away from it being practical
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Yeah, that's full path tracing they went with. No card other than the 4090 will be able to hit 60fps at 4K with DLSS Performance enabled, which is probably by design considering it's a tech demo meant to promote the new cards.
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repiv posted:cyberpunk doesn't have a canned benchmark does it? it's not that unusual for outlets to differ wildly in cases like that, especially in something like an open world game where performance can be all over the place depending on where you test FWIW, based on their Ryzen 7000 series results, it looked like TPU and GN used the in-game benchmark (Steve dismissed the game as GPU bound), whilst HU did manual runs (new gen had a notable uplift).
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Hell yeah, bring on more fully path traced games imo. portal rtx has the especially nice touch of handling rays going through portals correctly, so light spills through them realistically it's going to make my 3070 cry though
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Will Portal it work on a 1070? Quake RTX ran at like 20fps at 640x480 so I think it should be ok, right
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i think they stopped updating the pascal raytracing fallback so it might not have the API features portal RTX depends on if it does work it'll probably be measured in second per frame repiv fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Oct 11, 2022 |
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This is without undervolting, just power limit manipulation: Undervolting is apparently not very effective, though not many reviewers have tested it. Power limits though seem to degrade performance much less compared to ampere, which saw much more linear scaling than this.
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derbauer lowered the power target from 130% in increments of 10%, and you don't lose that much fps going down to 70% i hope he'll make some better charts, but that's techtubers for you ... e: gfdi
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Good lord those are some very impressive 4090 numbers. Did they say what power consumption is like? Will my British butt go bankrupt as soon as I turn the switch on?
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Good lord those are some very impressive 4090 numbers. Did they say what power consumption is like? Will my British butt go bankrupt as soon as I turn the switch on? Literally the two posts above you. If you won't go bankrupt buying the 4090 with your monopoly money, the power won't be a huge issue.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:This is without undervolting, just power limit manipulation: lmao this is all so stupid when they could just tuned it to be a 280W card and call it a day but nooooooooo
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Palladium posted:lmao this is all so stupid when they could just tuned it to be a 280W card and call it a day but nooooooooo they probably intended to go for more power and touch the part of the curve where it goes back up again, got worried about the backlash to power use in the previous gen and chose to back off from those higher power draw designs, and then found that moving back to the next inflection point would make the cards they’re still selling look stupid e: main takeaways looking through reviews imo—tsmc n4 has got the sauce, samsung custom 8nm did not, and trying to sell through a giant pile of old inventory creates incentives to do some very silly things this allusion meant fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Oct 11, 2022 |
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Palladium posted:lmao this is all so stupid when they could just tuned it to be a 280W card and call it a day but nooooooooo Yeah I would be perfectly happy to lock that sucker at 60% and run it for the next decade.
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so it comes pre-overclocked and if you want you can just set it to 280W and still have a card that's like 50-60% faster than the previous best, sounds pretty good tbh
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I'll never understand people that buy really expensive computer parts once a decade. not to single you out, seemingly a lot of people do it but I don't get itShipon posted:so it comes pre-overclocked and if you want you can just set it to 280W and still have a card that's like 50-60% faster than the previous best, sounds pretty good tbh it sounds less good when it costs twice as much
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It's a lot easier now since the gains are really small between generations. Unless, I guess, you have a small nuclear reactor to draw from to power your video game machine. I bought a 1080 roughly at launch and I picked up a 3080 now, roughly 6 years later. The difference isn't really noticeable.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:This is without undervolting, just power limit manipulation: Yeah the sentiment I got is set PT to 350W if you're bothered about heat/noise, then forget about it. Nvidias smart poo poo does everything else.
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I think the fact that this generation's cost/perf ratio is messy everywhere but at the 4090 is making it look so attractive. We've also been conditioned by the prices of GPUs being hosed for so long. So basically everything NVidia is trying to fish with is getting us to bite. (I won't be going with a 4090. I'll either keep rolling with my 2080S or wait a year+ for a 4080 16GB to cut down to about half it's price).
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Inept posted:I'll never understand people that buy really expensive computer parts once a decade. not to single you out, seemingly a lot of people do it but I don't get it Eh I was mostly joking, but it does seem like the 4090 would have enough grunt to happily power games at 4k for the foreseeable future. I did run a first gen i7 for 9 years, but that was a happy coincidence of it being an OC monster, and console generations languishing and not pushing the envelope very hard for quite a while. All the same that system saw a ram upgrade and three different gpus. Lockback posted:(I won't be going with a 4090. I'll either keep rolling with my 2080S or wait a year+ for a 4080 16GB to cut down to about half it's price). Yup, same here.
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Cool benches, I want to see more 3440x1440 numbers though. I don't want any temptation to move away from my 3080 10G FE.
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Inept posted:I'll never understand people that buy really expensive computer parts once a decade. not to single you out, seemingly a lot of people do it but I don't get it My 3770k and 980 ran 1080/144 just fine for 9 years. It's only just now with a want to upgrade to 4k/120 and 4k VR for flight sims that I needed a new build Also my old mobo died
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I just moved to the Seattle suburbs a few days ago, which incidentally has the lowest electricity prices I've ever seen (10 cents a kwh hydro power with no time of day penalties, what...) so the 4090 is just gonna be my space heater baby. poo poo is COLD up here. Well, cold to me, since I lived next to the beach in Santa Cruz and I swear the temp range was 57-72 degrees no matter the season. gently caress California energy prices. We were paying almost 40 cents a kwh by the time we moved so this is literally almost 25% of the power cost. The point is give me the heat, sheit. If I can drive my S95B QD OLED at 4k/144, and get heat, sure. Done.
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How restrictive are the model requirements set out by Nvidia? Sure we see all kinds of 420.69 Windforce FTW cards OC'd just a bit beyond the reference models, but could a 3rd party take a 4090 board and make a '4085'? Like, set it to a 325W power target with a suitably sized cooling solution and tada here's a card that'll handle 98.6% of any and all gaming needs, that is a more reasonable 2 or 2.5 slots and not a case clogging monster like these 4090s we're seeing?
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Pretty cool to see 4k 120/144hz truly arrive. The cooler seems overbuilt, which lends credence to my personal belief that they made the FE bigger specifically because some focus group somewhere said "big price means i want big GPU!!!" drat do I already need to update my 4090 Buyers Guide effort post, lol Linked in case anyone wants it. I was in a very boring meeting at work.
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Arrath posted:How restrictive are the model requirements set out by Nvidia? Sure we see all kinds of 420.69 Windforce FTW cards OC'd just a bit beyond the reference models, but could a 3rd party take a 4090 board and make a '4085'? Like, set it to a 325W power target with a suitably sized cooling solution and tada here's a card that'll handle 98.6% of any and all gaming needs, that is a more reasonable 2 or 2.5 slots and not a case clogging monster like these 4090s we're seeing? Usually they have reasonably tight power limits which I assume have minimums too for stability reasons. For sure they can't call anything a 4085 though. So they'd need to call whatever a "4090 underclock" which seems like a marketing headache. And they wouldn't save any money and be at the bottom of any chart comparing across 4090s. So I doubt even if they could anyone would bother vs just selling a regular one that has the tools for you to underclock it yourself.
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ASRock and GUNNIR to launch custom Arc A770/A750 graphics cards tomorrow ASRock playing both sides? I knew I liked their brand of insanity. shrike82 posted:Lol if it doesn't support the 40 series cards You know, if Intel is going to make their own drat riser boards anyways, you'd think that the LEAST they could do is make it so that the PCIe fingers are pointed at eachother, instead of making their riser board, and then adding a riser cable.
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Really interested to see how the 4080 12GB benches at 1440p, otherwise it seems like picking up a 3080 Ti on sale might be my best option for price/performance.
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:My 3770k and 980 ran 1080/144 just fine for 9 years. It's only just now with a want to upgrade to 4k/120 and 4k VR for flight sims that I needed a new build I just realized my 9900k is almost exactly 4 years old now 
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Lockback posted:Usually they have reasonably tight power limits which I assume have minimums too for stability reasons. For sure they can't call anything a 4085 though. So they'd need to call whatever a "4090 underclock" which seems like a marketing headache. And they wouldn't save any money and be at the bottom of any chart comparing across 4090s. So I doubt even if they could anyone would bother vs just selling a regular one that has the tools for you to underclock it yourself. Brand it as the "4090 Mini".
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The Digital Foundry 4090 review mentions something I haven't heard before: frame generation currently needs to be run uncapped to work right, introducing frame tearing above your monitor's maximum refresh rate. If you turn on v-sync in the control panel, you get latency issues or camera stutter issues.
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