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Megillah Gorilla posted:I was going to make a Mumm-Ra joke, but aren't they already going to do a live action Thundercats, or did I just dream that? WB announced in March 2021 that Adam Wingard was attached as director and co-writer on the project but there's been no news since. There's also going to be a live action He-Man film produced by Netflix which was due to start shooting a few months ago.
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Thundercracker posted:How is Daredevil having all this premarital sex? I thought he was hardcore catholic and how can a lawyer break the law?!?! https://twitter.com/paulduanefilm/status/1578334301904674817?s=20&t=ZR0hQSVVCj32v_xiX1GHEQ but she hulk fights incels?
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Alan being Alan; I get that the companies hosed him and he's probably right that our society is probably emotionally stunted from people just wanting to consume stuff from their childhood. And I don't really know what the point I have for this
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Oct 11, 2022 16:14
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Alan Moore is a blowhard that did some cool poo poo decades ago, not holding an opinion on his opinions is probably the way to go
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Oct 11, 2022 18:03
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it's OK to like this stuff and still acknowledge that he's right
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Oct 11, 2022 18:19
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Eh. I'm not sure I'd say he's wrong, but I also don't really think he's right. There's some truth in what he says, but he's also kind of a grouch unable to see why people might enjoy this stuff outside of arrested development.
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Oct 11, 2022 18:21
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To be fair, Batman is really fascist.
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Aren't the fascists the ones bemoaning how woke everything's become?
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Oct 11, 2022 18:49
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live with fruit posted:Aren't the fascists the ones bemoaning how woke everything's become? Yes, because https://twitter.com/HNTurtledove/status/1548737693202296832?s=20&t=PC3hzjLphHycM6jOBFfMcg
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So Wakanda Forever making a billion dollars pushes us further towards fascism?
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Err I think you'll find Go Woke Go Broke *ignores all evidence to the contrary* 
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live with fruit posted:So Wakanda Forever making a billion dollars pushes us further towards fascism? A little bit? I'm it's not like the NAACP will be seeing a big chunk of that billion.
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Oct 11, 2022 20:00
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Everyone posted:A little bit? I'm it's not like the NAACP will be seeing a big chunk of that billion. Moore's argument is that the obsession with comic book movies lines up with fascism's appeal to a simpler (whiter) time and the Black Panther series is afrofuturistic. How is that circle squared?
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you can make an argument that superhero stories, since they support a status quo are basically stories about cops and making sure nothing ever changes, but this is a terrible argument and you should go back to CD instead
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Oct 11, 2022 20:09
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Everyone posted:Yes, because I would have thought Turtledove would have been a soft chud, not a eine reich, eine volk, eine Trump style but a "there are two genders" and " you can't say something without a woman with hairy legs and green hair being offended" kind. Especially due to some if the messages in his recent books.
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Oct 11, 2022 21:06
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wait was that tweet supposed to be bad? I thought it was just describing good things?
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Thundercracker posted:How is Daredevil having all this premarital sex? I thought he was hardcore catholic
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Soonmot posted:wait was that tweet supposed to be bad? I thought it was just describing good things? It is good but it's from a guy who is best known for fictional alt history with stories such as "what if someone went back in time and gave confederate soldiers modern military weapons" so Turtledove is a land of contrasts
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Timeless Appeal posted:Most US Catholics are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage and pro-conception. The guilt is real, and the church itself is hosed up, but American Catholics aren't really doing promise rings and poo poo, and are more politically split in general the Evangelicals. Also, it's Matt. Odds are excellent that boinking Jen set in motion a chain of events that will ruin his life.
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twistedmentat posted:I would have thought Turtledove would have been a soft chud, not a eine reich, eine volk, eine Trump style but a "there are two genders" and " you can't say something without a woman with hairy legs and green hair being offended" kind. Especially due to some if the messages in his recent books. I haven't been reading his recent books, but the through-line in his older books is pretty much abusing/oppressing/discriminating against people is BAD. Soonmot posted:wait was that tweet supposed to be bad? I thought it was just describing good things? Tweet is good and is describing good things.
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Oct 11, 2022 21:33
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Everyone posted:I haven't been reading his recent books, but the through-line in his older books is pretty much abusing/oppressing/discriminating against people is BAD. The last book of his I read was about if the Werewolves were effective after ww2 and that caused the allies to pull out if Europe early because there was antiwar protests. This let the nazis come back. It was clearly about anti iraq war protests.
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twistedmentat posted:The last book of his I read was about if Werewolves were effective after ww2 I'm sure this makes sense in context but without having read this book, this is a great post
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:It is good but it's from a guy who is best known for fictional alt history with stories such as "what if someone went back in time and gave confederate soldiers modern military weapons" so Turtledove is a land of contrasts Kind of, but in this case the "someones" end up being lying white supremacist fanatics to the point that Robert E. Lee becomes an abolitionist and ends up pushing through legislation in the Confederate Congress to begin freeing slaves.. Characterizing The Guns of the South as "pro-slavery" is false. XboxPants posted:I'm sure this makes sense in context but without having read this book, this is a great post The main thing I'm getting from this is that Jack Russell was a Nazi? Also... Jack Russell as in Jack Russell terrier... gently caress...
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Soonmot posted:you can make an argument that superhero stories, since they support a status quo are basically stories about cops and making sure nothing ever changes, but this is a terrible argument and you should go back to CD instead I mean, even in what would be the 'wokest' superhero movie, Black Panther, they essentially whoopsied a villain into having correct opinions and had the unelected monarch put him back in his place (after also making sure he did something heinous so that people wouldn't support him any more). I don't think the argument is as terrible as you think it is
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Everyone posted:Kind of, but in this case the "someones" end up being lying white supremacist fanatics to the point that Robert E. Lee becomes an abolitionist and ends up pushing through legislation in the Confederate Congress to begin freeing slaves.. I didn't, I was making a joke because "treat everyone as equal" isn't something you would expect a boomer who writes alt history to say, especially if you only know of his books by their titles and cover art.
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Kaedric posted:I mean, even in what would be the 'wokest' superhero movie, Black Panther, they essentially whoopsied a villain into having correct opinions and had the unelected monarch put him back in his place (after also making sure he did something heinous so that people wouldn't support him any more). What "whoopsie"? The issue that Killmonger was right, in terms of whether Wakanda should be isolationist, but far too brutal in his methods. I mean was T'Challa yelling at spirit of his father "you were wrong!" too subtle?
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Kaedric posted:I mean, even in what would be the 'wokest' superhero movie, Black Panther, they essentially whoopsied a villain into having correct opinions and had the unelected monarch put him back in his place (after also making sure he did something heinous so that people wouldn't support him any more). we've rehashed this argument a million times, killmonger was never about Black liberation, he just coopted that language to implement Black imperialisms. Nakia is the real hero of Black Panther as she was out there actually DOING poo poo in order to help Black folks outside Wakanda. It's her idea to open Wakanda to the rest of the world in order to act as an example others can follow. Armed revolution may by part of that, probably will need to be part of that, but she actually has a plan beyond that.
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Kaedric posted:unelected monarch There is an entire scene in which the various tribes of Wakanda are invited to step forward and express whether or not they approve of and officially endorse the new monarch.
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It also has nothing to do with Moore's argument.
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Bleck posted:There is an entire scene in which the various tribes of Wakanda are invited to step forward and express whether or not they approve of and officially endorse the new monarch. I think they meant "elected" in a democratic sense. T'Challa and Killmonger were both legitimate monarchs (in that both had valid claims to the throne and acquired it according to the method prescribed by Wakandan law) but neither was a democratically elected leader.
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Falcon and Winter Soldier literally had them fighting a group that was delivering food and healthcare to displaced refugees.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:I think they meant "elected" in a democratic sense. T'Challa and Killmonger were both legitimate monarchs (in that both had valid claims to the throne and acquired it according to the method prescribed by Wakandan law) but neither was a democratically elected leader. I get that, it's just... I don't know, I just finished watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes and I'm all high on thinking about whether I'd prefer a socially-progressive fascist state or a regressive and corrupt democracy. Black Panther film discourse also focuses on how It Is Bad To Have A Monarchy, but this focus is nearly always from people who live in a non-functioning and oppressive society that vigorously describes itself as democratic.
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Socially-progressive fascism is an oxymoron
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You'd think the same could be said of a racist, misogynist and queerphobic democracy, and yet.
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Bleck posted:I get that, it's just... I don't know, I just finished watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes and I'm all high on thinking about whether I'd prefer a socially-progressive fascist state or a regressive and corrupt democracy. Black Panther film discourse also focuses on how It Is Bad To Have A Monarchy, but this focus is nearly always from people who live in a non-functioning and oppressive society that vigorously describes itself as democratic. Yang Wenli wins from beyond the grave because after Reinhard beats him he thinks hey I’m bored maybe Yang was right I’ll abolish this monarchy after all
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Bleck posted:You'd think the same could be said of a racist, misogynist and queerphobic democracy, and yet. Turns out most democracies, aren't
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Jaxyon posted:What "whoopsie"? Jaxyon posted:Falcon and Winter Soldier literally had them fighting a group that was delivering food and healthcare to displaced refugees. This was kind of my point. They have villains with correct and sympathetic goals, and then go 'oh poo poo but then why would our superhero fight them?' and make them do something horrible so that the audience can sleep easy knowing that our heroes were in the right. That's the 'whoopsie'
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Black Panther is a fairy tale, and also one that doesn't give us a lot of insight into the day to day running of the country besides the following things: --There is a council of tribal delegates who seem to have a lot of power --There is a system to overthrow the current monarch, and there is no divine blood right to being the monarch When Killmonger takes over, he: --Rules as an autocrat, only really conferring with the tribe that literally serves as border security and dress like the police --He destroys the method for power to be passed down The whole the film is pro-monarchy stuff has always been a really silly criticism and one that begs the question of what real world harm are you afraid the movie is doing?
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