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The Washington Post and New York Times both have decent journalists, it's just their editorial boards and particularly op-eds are nuclear dogshit. The Guardian also does pretty decent raw journalism while also having nuclear dogshit op-eds. Likewise the Financial Times, but not the Economist. Honestly your best bet is finding some decent journalists and following their twitters where they tend to retweet other journalists with stuff worth reading. However if you're on Twitter you have already lost.
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Oct 10, 2022 15:16
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FT can have surprisingly sane op-eds, relatively to NYT, but I concur on the Economist that it’s borderline unreadable, in terms of overbearing George Smiley voice, on economy and British affairs, if you don’t agree with their politics there or are not ready to read with a liberal application of necessary filters. Their international reporting and exploration of topics more distanced from economics and British politics, e.g., about renewable energy, is written well enough to my liking, though, so I have a print subscription for them and just don’t read anything they write about the economy. FT does satisfy almost all economy journalism needs I have in any case.
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Oct 10, 2022 15:22
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The more I think about it, the more 'The Economist' seems like the perfect title for a something that has moderate windsock takes on most general discussion targets and then turns instantly to a bucket of vomit when it comes to economics and domestic politics.
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Oct 10, 2022 15:35
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Tosk posted:Hi D&D, I don't post much in this subforum but it seemed like the best place to ask pretty much everyone in D&D just reads a Twitter feed curated to match their ideological tastes, letting folks like @lib_destroyer_420 and @socialistMomKaren pick out what news is fit for their eyes if that doesn't appeal to you for some reason, just read standard mainstream outlets while keeping in mind their inherent biases and blind spots. and never read a piece from the Opinion section or the Editorial Board, except to laugh at
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Oct 10, 2022 16:22
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Tosk posted:Hi D&D, I don't post much in this subforum but it seemed like the best place to ask If it's what happened, you'll be reasonably well covered by the Associated Press, BBC, and Al Jazeera - recognizing that all have their areas that are stronger and weaker than others, and biases that most strongly show up in what gets covered at all. If it's what happened and why it happened, things get hairier, as bias is inherent to that exercise. Something like the Washington Post analysis pieces (distinct from their journalism and their opeds), The Intercept, and The Economist will give you competing (if wildly anglocentric) takes across the centrist spectrum. If it's what happened, why it happened, and why it matters, then you're purely into the realm of bias and it's also exhausting to keep up. Best I can recommend is finding someone who doesn't hide the ball when they do their analysis, who you trust in the good faith of but often disagree with. Then find the outlets they work for, who they collaborate with, and who they platform and promote. For me, particularly on USPOL, that's David Dayen (formerly of freelancing and The Intercept, now The American Prospect). I disagree with him on a lot (he's a fan of loathsome trash like Stoller. He also has an improbably expansive view of executive power ), but he lays out how he gets from A->B->C and often deals with opposing arguments genuinely (rather than in Hannity & Colmes fashion). For others it's Jacobin and their associates, for a lot of people it was (regrettably) Greenwald, Taibbi, and their circles from the mid 00s-2016. For others, and possibly even worse, it was Jon Chait. That final category overall is rough and really easy to fall down some awful rabbit holes ("this Jesse Signal fella seems reasona  ") without keeping a conscious focus to make sure you're not haloeffecting their other stances with the ones you like (Greenwald on Obama and Clinton earned him a lot of cover for Greenwald on Tucker and/or the endless hordes of immigrants destroying our national identity) or giving people credit well beyond their area of expertise (Benjamin Wittes on the processes and function of the Deep State vs Benjamin Wittes on the merits of the Deep State or any other topic).Or, as Painframe suggests, just curate your social media to follow folks who aggregate content that speaks to your lizardbrain.
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Oct 10, 2022 16:25
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Paracaidas posted:Hannity & Colmes Hot drat, that's a callback. Can't believe poor Colmes died and basically no-one cared. I mean, I didn't care, but I felt bad for him that no-one who should care cared.
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Oct 10, 2022 17:04
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Speaking of pre-2016 journalism, I miss Ta-Nehisi Coates penmanship of his essays to the Atlantic fame
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Oct 10, 2022 17:34
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nothing wrong with bias or only reading sites that align with your ideological position op. you just need to remember to think extra critically when an article reduces another country's rationale to "they're evil". and also remember that most journalists are stupid + lazy.
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Oct 10, 2022 20:01
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exmarx posted:and also remember that most journalists are stupid + lazy.
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Oct 10, 2022 22:26
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exmarx posted:And also remember that most journalists are stupid + lazy. If pro fishermen, chess buttplay afficiandos, and Irish Dance instructors have taught us anything... it's that we all are
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Oct 10, 2022 22:57
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2022/oct/10/democrats-midterms-victory-economy-bernie-sanders?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other bernie's up to his woman hating tricks again... smh
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Oct 11, 2022 00:47
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Tosk posted:Hi D&D, I don't post much in this subforum but it seemed like the best place to ask A thread of general resources for evaluating media is here. I'll be starting up some new additions to it soon. Using a twitter feed curated to your ideological beliefs is a fantastic way to very rapidly lose your mind and all sense of perspective.
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Oct 11, 2022 01:10
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that's why i stay within the safe and rational confines of the dadchat thread. my mind is well protected here
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Oct 11, 2022 02:45
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Tosk posted:Hi D&D, I don't post much in this subforum but it seemed like the best place to ask I mean, seconding the whole "there's no right answer" answer. But I'd recommend: NPR - Tries to be straight unbiased news but is forced to do both-sides weird left-center stuff as a result. Coverage comes off stilted and bizarre, although factually accurate. Slate - Openly left biased but has some deep roots in mainstream journalism. Lots of culture stuff, good mix of younger and older journalists. Highly recommend. Vice - Sensationalist stuff. Like if BuzzFeed listicles and real journalism had a baby. Fox News for people that don't have brainworms (or have a different breed of brainworms). Kind of fun.
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Oct 11, 2022 03:01
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate the answers! Definitely picked up some new sites and people to pay attention to on social media
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Oct 11, 2022 03:11
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Staluigi posted:Featuring; lol
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Oct 11, 2022 10:14
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Staluigi posted:raw guacamole
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Oct 11, 2022 10:35
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Tosk posted:Hi D&D, I don't post much in this subforum but it seemed like the best place to ask Channel 5 news with Andrew Callahan is the best journalism being done in the US right now and im not even joking. As for the wider world. Others already gave good suggestions. Twitter is the alpha and the omega. If you cultivate list of follows that represent decent journalists in various focuses, you'll likely be appraised of anything critical going on in the world. It is also the epicenter of misinformation, just look at the war in Ukraine where wildly different accounts of events exist. If you only read one side, you could either think that Ukraine is literally being subjected to a WWII level genocide, or that Putin is a fantastic guy just doing what needed to be done stop nazis. When in Mariupol Azov neo nazis flying the black sun were fighting Ramzan Kadyrov's killers and thugs along with Wagner group neo nazis, with civillians caught in the middle. It's just a mess and stupid in every way. There really is no easy way to be informed in 2022. You have to but on your critical thinking hat and examine news stories pretty closely if you want to not be impacted by the raging storm of bias that exists. And even then you will be, we all are, no matter how smart we think we are.
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Oct 11, 2022 14:32
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exmarx I have bad news https://twitter.com/MIAuniverse/status/1580336650655129601
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Oct 13, 2022 01:12
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definitely going for it too https://twitter.com/miauniverse/status/1580342176973656064
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Oct 13, 2022 01:15
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this on top of some bonkers public feedback i saw today really makes me wonder what goes through some folks minds
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Oct 13, 2022 01:48
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maybe some good news will cheer folks up, we successfully knocked the stuffing out of a small asteroid. while just a proof of concept, protection from near earth threats seems like it's on the horizon! https://twitter.com/AsteroidWatch/status/1579902656696684544
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Oct 13, 2022 01:52
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:maybe some good news will cheer folks up, we successfully knocked the stuffing out of a small asteroid. while just a proof of concept, protection from near earth threats seems like it's on the horizon! not sure space news will help exmarx at this trying time 
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Oct 13, 2022 01:56
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Tesseraction posted:exmarx I have bad news https://twitter.com/MIAuniverse/status/1580336650655129601 she's also born again christian now not rly surprising that she landed on the conspiracist train... she spent 08-09 being laughed at and ignored by the american establishment for using her profile to try bring attention to the in-progress tamil genocide. why would anyone believe the lying msm after that.
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Oct 13, 2022 06:34
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i'm also anti-vax btw
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Oct 13, 2022 06:35
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exmarx posted:i'm also anti-vax btw shocking that you would have such a dumb take
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Oct 13, 2022 06:42
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exmarx posted:she's also born again christian now she also went all-in on corbyn's political project (i think he helped her family back when they were refugees somehow? if so it was also personal) and got seriously exposed to the complete hatchet job they did on him she was always a bit kooky, but she's got more reason than most to seriously distrust mainstream news coverage, and that often slides into vulgar conspiracism in the age of the internet
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Oct 13, 2022 09:58
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:maybe some good news will cheer folks up, we successfully knocked the stuffing out of a small asteroid. while just a proof of concept, protection from near earth threats seems like it's on the horizon!
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Oct 13, 2022 11:06
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an egg posted:nasa is going to knock a "harmless" asteroid off course and set it straight on a collision course for earth The Russians used a dog
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Oct 13, 2022 11:08
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V. Illych L. posted:she also went all-in on corbyn's political project (i think he helped her family back when they were refugees somehow? if so it was also personal) and got seriously exposed to the complete hatchet job they did on him its just jarring to see that end in anti-vaxx nonsense due to how much science and just basic fact you have to ignore to get there. MIA is a smart loving woman, for her to start espousing anti-vaxx poo poo she is really lying to her herself hard.
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Oct 13, 2022 14:12
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m.i.a.'s new album is good btw
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Oct 15, 2022 11:12
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it is beginning to creep me out how the british and eastern european variants of domesticated animals are always pure white with blue eyes
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Oct 16, 2022 23:37
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Oct 16, 2022 23:39
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a 67-year-old lithuanian-australian fell off my roof, landed on his back on a quail cage, and walked away totally unharmed what does being lithuanian have to do with this? i can't answer that
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Oct 17, 2022 22:22
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i never knew many lithuanians, but since moving interstate i've met many of them, and they're unusual
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Oct 17, 2022 22:24
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it's all part of the great mystery
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Oct 17, 2022 22:43
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exmarx posted:m.i.a.'s new album is good btw ah is that why she suddenly made controversial statements
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Oct 17, 2022 23:07
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an egg posted:i never knew many lithuanians, but since moving interstate i've met many of them, and they're unusual a Lithuanian made me good enough on examination to be allowed to drive on Britain's roads unencumbered clearly a plot to kill britons
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Oct 18, 2022 01:38
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Tesseraction posted:a Lithuanian made me good enough on examination to be allowed to drive on Britain's roads unencumbered
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Oct 18, 2022 14:10
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there are some nationalities i am ethically obligated to be racist against, and i cherish that responsibility
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Oct 18, 2022 14:10
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