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Pipe dream prison to me would be a functional mental health institution. Evaluate prisoners for issues and try to treat those that can be, focused on rehabilitation rather than punishment. People, even mass murderers, are a product of their environment. It's a practical requirement that society isolate and monitor those who cannot safely be free, but the conditions that made them dangerous aren't necessarily permanent or their fault. I fully admit that functional mental health institutions might be impossible and that this is impossible given our punishment obsessed criminal justice system.
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Lemme know again when mental health isn't fundamentally apologia for capitalism
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Oct 14, 2022 04:24
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a "mental health institution" that dangerous people cannot leave is a prison, regardless of how "functional" it is
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okay well they did say "pipe dream prison" right at the start let's not be too harsh
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:okay well they did say "pipe dream prison" right at the start let's not be too harsh
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cagliostr0 posted:So you abolish prisons by keeping prisons running. Seems legit. Perhaps workshop your messaging since abolition doesn't mean reform. we have to abolish the current prison system
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Oct 14, 2022 04:37
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I've given this some thought, and I realize that removing someone from society is always wrong. Tomorrow morning I'll be petitioning the court for Dylan Roof's immediate release into my custody.
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Oct 14, 2022 04:56
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TenementFunster posted:a "mental health institution" that dangerous people cannot leave is a prison, regardless of how "functional" it is Yeah I agree with that, but in order to have a non-punitive prison system we would need to do something about the horrifically punitive one we have, which isn't happening in my lifetime or during the remaining time Western civilization has before poo poo gets wild.
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bobtheconqueror posted:Yeah I agree with that, but in order to have a non-punitive prison system we would need to do something about the horrifically punitive one we have, which isn't happening in my lifetime or during the remaining time Western civilization has before poo poo gets wild.
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Oct 14, 2022 05:47
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tenementfunster is right synthesis or whatever: fair double jeopardy retrials for all the people accused of mass murders and stuff after the revolution
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Oct 14, 2022 06:30
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TenementFunster posted:a "mental health institution" that dangerous people cannot leave is a prison, regardless of how "functional" it is Since we're doing this reductio, car seats are a child prison.
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Oct 14, 2022 14:25
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please don't...
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Oct 14, 2022 14:27
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TenementFunster posted:some people do bad things on purpose and need to be punished for causing harm. Wrong and dumb
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Loucks posted:Wrong and dumb How so
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Oct 14, 2022 15:19
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Think about animals. Muzzling a dog that can't stop biting isn't punishment, its just a necessity. If the dog can be trained not to bite, then (and only then) can the muzzle can come off. And then there are some truly dangerous dogs that must be euthanized. But even this is not a punishment...
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Oct 14, 2022 15:29
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nuzzling*
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It will always boil down to capitalism being awful so what's the point in arguing about gulags for white teenagers . Obviously that's a good idea but if that were possible we would live in a society that didn't breed insane white teenagers
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Oct 14, 2022 15:48
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Rwanda has people who've done worse things than the Parkland shooter, and they have confessed to their victims' families and now live as part of society. Reconciliation is possible, although very difficult, and it takes a huge effort to achieve successfully.
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Oct 14, 2022 16:00
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ok but there was no civil war going on here. The guy went and got a gun and killed 17 kids for no comprehensible reason with no justification
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Oct 14, 2022 16:05
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a reduction of the prison system from the current 2 million people to the probably mid double digits number actually responsible for heinous antisocial crimes is functionally abolition. going from 5000 prisons to 1 is functionally abolition. get over yourselves.
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what kind of dog would Elliot Rodgers be?
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Oops, someone said prison abolition on a forum so now Democrats need to start publicly executing people for weed crimes so Republicans won't call them soft on crime. This is your fault.
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Casey Finnigan posted:ok but there was no civil war going on here. The guy went and got a gun and killed 17 kids for no comprehensible reason with no justification it's absolutely comprehensible. you can see it online anytime you want, just head over to 4chan and read what they talk about (dont actually do that) this is happening more and more because our current system has created an entire society completely alienated from any traditional social structures. support networks dont exist anymore and have been replaced with social media and online communities that, by design, bring out the absolute worst in humanity. its the same reason people are dropping like flies from drug overdoses
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I mean I havent been on 4chan since like 2007. Have they gotten to the point where they straight up chat about shooting up schools?
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Oct 14, 2022 16:36
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Casey Finnigan posted:I mean I havent been on 4chan since like 2007. Have they gotten to the point where they straight up chat about shooting up schools? more like lionizing the people that have than posting like explicit plans (although that has happened too), but yeah
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I wonder if the dumbass Japanese YouTuber who owns 2chan and 4chan is cognizant of how hosed up 4chan has become
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Chamale posted:Rwanda has people who've done worse things than the Parkland shooter, and they have confessed to their victims' families and now live as part of society. Reconciliation is possible, although very difficult, and it takes a huge effort to achieve successfully. yeah, fair. re-try after the revolution or whatever. Casey Finnigan posted:I wonder if the dumbass Japanese YouTuber who owns 2chan and 4chan is cognizant of how hosed up 4chan has become Hiroyuki Nishimura bought 4chan but lost 2chan and the ownership of 2chan is still disputed. by, uh, Jim Watkins. the 8chan guy
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mark immune posted:what does a non jail/gulag solution for serial rapists or mass murderers look like? has this experiment been tried in the past, and if so how did it go? tbh my first instinct is that it is a very stupid idea. To be honest I feel like prison is sort of the worst possible solution for most crimes. Either have a robust and well funded restorative justice and rehabilitation framework or have public beheadings in the main square. Don't give me this nonsense about creating an entire industry to spend a gazillion dollars just to keep people miserable and out of sight for their entire lives. It's just too cruel and pointless. E: and also ineffective as a deterrent
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yes the capitcalist carceral system is bad
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Cuttlefush posted:yeah, fair. re-try after the revolution or whatever. from what I remember isn’t 2chan just as hosed up?
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I guess it's possible that 2ch is just as bad but I've never spent any time reading it besides a few of those websites where they collect posts on a certain topic
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TenementFunster posted:most crimes are motivated by purely material conditions, but some people do bad things on purpose and need to be punished for causing harm. lmao lib hearts can't be tamed. victorian hearts
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DrManiac posted:from what I remember isn’t 2chan just as hosed up? most of 2ch is significantly less hosed up than something awful is. some of it is hosed up. the monthly users is like 10% of the population of japan. it also has crime announcements and harbors reactionaries (and probably does a lot more now than before Watkins yoinked it) but it's way more like reddit than 4chan. normal people use it. it's mainstream. it will have the same caliber of hosed up stuff but the hosed up stuff doesn't make up as high a percentage as 4chan let alone the yikesier ones.
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Leroy Diplowski posted:To be honest I feel like prison is sort of the worst possible solution for most crimes. Either have a robust and well funded restorative justice and rehabilitation framework or have public beheadings in the main square. Hell yeah, death penalty.
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I too read discipline and punish
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Dixon Chisholm posted:Dylan Roof BONGHITZ posted:Elliot Rodgers Dylann Roof and Elliot Rodger went to a lot of trouble to commit heinous crimes, please show your appreciation by spelling their names correctly this isn't the trump thread
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Landlords who post on TikTok are the only people worthy of the death penalty.
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Dylann Roof Bader Ginsburg
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Dixon Chisholm posted:Dylann Roof Bader Ginsburg portmanteaux are fair game puns as well, but again this isn't the trump thread where puns are guaranteed to be a crowd-pleaser
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Filthy Hans posted:portmanteaux are fair game 
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