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I know, I know, I'm a Polyphia fanboy but drat it if this didn't make me so happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKCsEDWl0ys Just the guys and Steve chilling and chatting about poo poo. So nice to see entirely different generations of virtuosos sharing and respecting each other. edit: the part with Steve having to call radio stations to ask for Alcatrazz songs is hilarious. Clayton Bigsby fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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bmaj is great. closed shapes are kind of the secret to guitar. the first poo poo i ever learned to do was just barre chords, root low E and root A. then i learned extended versions of them, like the major 7 on root A shape, and then minor 7 and stuff... you start to notice how everything is connected. it opened up the world of writing to me pretty much immediately, and is the reason i could get into jazz band and be a passable guitar player. you can also look at the parts of them-- like, if you look at the closed, transposable, F shape, and think about just the low 4 strings on the guitar, because if you barre the B and high E, you're just repeating notes. you get: A F C F this is a common tone order in classical music, actually. like, if you think about bach chorales and voice leading, "root, fifth, octave, third" is a common arrangement. so making that connection was fun. but in a more practical rock way, you can just lift up your middle finger from fretting the A, and you just have an F power chord. or you can mute the low F, and you have an F in second inversion, like A F C which is cool to think of as its own shape, because THEN, you can move that second inversion triad down a string, and you have a C/G, which is also useful in the key. now, i know i'm a pretentious theory/composition student, but all this stuff is really useful, especially learning inversions and voice leading, and why?? because it allows you make your guitar parts sound heavy as hell. the most voice leading work i do on guitar is when i'm trying to get some really heavy punk stuff going on, and i'm trying to get my chords lower. a practical example of this is if you want to play a C chord. if you're in standard tuning, and you're playing in root position, your lowest note is automatically going to be a C3. but if you play it in second inversion, it can be a G2, which is going to sound heavier. or you could even just hit a C power chord without the octave, and leave the E string open. which doesn't sound great all of the time, but if you're doing something droney, it can be really cool. i love moveable shapes because they're straight up just more useful. they kind of teach you ways to navigate any key, which really combines well with theoretical concepts. and if you kinda know what you're doing, you can use that stuff to make it easier to play guitar, by thinking about what chord you can get to, by moving just a finger or two. going back to the barre shape again-- A F C F you can move your middle finger off the G string, lift your pinky, and hit the D string with your middle finger: E C F and have a major 7 chord, but with only three notes, so it's still not too bad to use to harmonize a melody. or the other major 7 voicing which is useful for going to a different place: A F C F and, though it's a tricky jump, hitting A E C F by moving your middle finger to the D string and your ring finger to the G string. this has all the notes in an Fmaj7 present, instead of just three (which there's nothing wrong with, it's just a shell voicing). and this is cool because if you look above the F, there's an Am right there, waiting to be exploited-- it's just in first inversion. or you could also move your index finger down exactly one fret, and you would have an Am/E (second inversion). and both those are really useful to get to different places -- we usually use inversions for smoother bass movement, so Am/E would move really well back to F, or, more deceptively, down to Dm. Am/C would move well to C (the V chord of F), keeping the same bass note while everything else above it moves obliquely to the bass, it also moves well to Dm, and it also moves well to Bb (the IV chord). it's all really cool. it's actually funny because it's only recently that i started getting into open shapes. that stuff is cool too, but i totally do not regret putting all the time and energy i did into moveable shapes and barres and stuff.
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oh and to add on to that: if you're writing songs, you can also just arrange the bass guitar or vocal melody to satisfy other theory rules (like stylistic doubling of certain notes in each inversion)
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Jonny 290 posted:Right on, its pretty tough to bust 'em, fiddle away and you'll feel when one loses engagement on the little lever retainer spring and you'll be able to pop it right out It's not working! I've tried with various screwdriver heads and my tweezers but it just won't let go at all! Why on earth did they make these not fit their own routing?
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Bmaj is just hard to read with all the sharps. and it's hard for me to remember which notes are which scale degrees cause guitar music never uses it. i'll take Bb any day of the week!! edit: having E for a IV chord redeems it a little
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i bought a new pack of NYXLs yesterday abnd lost them. they're somewhere in this room but they're lost somehow. i'm pissed
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landgrabber posted:now, i know i'm a pretentious theory/composition student, but all this stuff is really useful, especially learning inversions and voice leading[..] I told my teacher I liked Andy Summers, so he's been grilling me on the different positions and then 1st and 2nd inversions for each. It's been a grueling few weeks, but I can listen to something like Bring on the Night now and immediately think "oh, the verse is just some 2nd inversions" instead of looking at tab and going "wtf are these weird fingerings". It's a pretty big lightbulb moment.
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BizarroAzrael posted:It's not working! I've tried with various screwdriver heads and my tweezers but it just won't let go at all! Why on earth did they make these not fit their own routing? In all likelihood, they run the wires and then plug them into the connector. You’d have some pretty big channels and a whole other line of guitars to manage if not. The point is you should probably keep trying. Maybe give it a rest or watch a depinning video or two and try again. Looking at the connector, I wonder if you need to simultaneously push the wire from the back and push the clip down. Pictures here if anyone else wants to take a peek: https://reverb.com/item/40541333-epiphone-usa-probucker-humbuckers-set-neck-and-bridge-pickups-black-gold I would keep track of which black wire is which though. Easy enough to mark one with a marker or tape. nitsuga fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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luchadornado posted:I told my teacher I liked Andy Summers, so he's been grilling me on the different positions and then 1st and 2nd inversions for each. It's been a grueling few weeks, but I can listen to something like Bring on the Night now and immediately think "oh, the verse is just some 2nd inversions" instead of looking at tab and going "wtf are these weird fingerings". It's a pretty big lightbulb moment. knowing the closed triad shapes in all inversions really frees you up for playing any chord in any position. i've gotten more than my money's worth having learned those (still suck at diminished inversions though) watching elite rock guitarists, this seems to be the main thing they do well
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syntaxfunction posted:I will also restate that while I'm selling my Gibson I am 100% getting another Les Paul. Les Pauls are amazing. They're "active" in the sense that they have 9VDC-powered circuitry to alter their tonal characteristics on the fly, not in the 80s/90s "MORE VOLTS MAKE MY PICKUPS MORE ANGRY" sense of active. The push/pull on the tone knob lets you switch between Burstbucker and Fishman Modern and then push-pull on the individual volume knobs lets you toggle coil split for the bridge and neck pickups individually. Also they've got locking tuners so there's really nothing you need to add to them. As soon as I find a store nearby where I can sit down with one of the Exturas and make sure it feels good in my hands I'm buying one of the ones in purple burst.
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I am learning sick sick sick and that song is fun, the entire verse is just one very silly chord. before looking it up I thought "this chord is like an inverted power chord or something right? It just sounds like a slightly more dissonant power chord" but it's a C with a minor 7th played up one octave, so you're playing open low string (C in this case of C standard) and the 17th fret on the fifth string. It seems so random but it sounds good so idk
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nitsuga posted:In all likelihood, they run the wires and then plug them into the connector. You’d have some pretty big channels and a whole other line of guitars to manage if not. Finally got it, but was probably more work than it should have been. It looks like they might be intended for a LP/archtop going by the mountings and a video I found that showed LPs have a big chamber the wires can be passed through. I'm not sure the connectors were meant to be taken apart and I may have to keep an eye on them in case something is lose now. I did track the black wires but I expect they are both ground and it doesn't matter which way around they are. Also new Pat Finnerty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9SObFf03dc He's also been doing a WMTSS podcast for about 6 weeks now.
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When that song came out my first thought was “chad no the dark horse/here and now era is one best left in the past you’re better than this” Song stinks, sorry Nickelback. Can’t defend this one.
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Kazinsal posted:When that song came out my first thought was “chad no the dark horse/here and now era is one best left in the past you’re better than this” Is there a Nickelback song that one could defend?
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i don't really think nickelback is that much worse than the other stuff from the glut of post grunge music they were part of. like is nickelback really that much worse than staind, 3 doors down, creed, etc? not really. lot of it is just cheesy and its biggest sin is being boring
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i kind of resent that people are allowed to just uniformly said "nickelback bad" regardless of whatever level of criticism they usually operate on, instead of articulating what their big issues are.
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Red_Fred posted:Is there a Nickelback song that one could defend? Ooh, that's a good challenge. Nickelback will occasionally cover Big Wreck songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jVdjFQeDSI And Ian Thornley seems to like Chad Kroeger enough to have him as a guest on songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j8yo_L53vc
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Amazon has the Mooer Prime P1 as a lighting deal for $120 for like the next hour and a half, and the black version also has a 10% off coupon. For ~$110 it's about worth it as a headphone amp with a bunch of effects or a pocket effects unit with a practice amp. https://www.amazon.com/MOOER-PRIME-P1-Intelligent-Graphite/dp/B09ST1MFS4 I picked one up again last month when they ran the same deal, and I'm beginning to think the first one I had wasn't working correctly since this one does sound better. The presets all suck, still.
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Their first three albums are excellent. Then there’s a bit of a curve downwards and back up until you hit the last album, which is back to really good. I could write proper  about it but it’s a defence of nickelback so it’ll probably just lead to me being on a bunch of ignore lists lol
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EC-1000s that aren't the full thickness ones feel and sound more like sgs ebony fretboards are awesome but a well polished/smoothed out rosewood is my second favorite Richlite is sick Always use brand name batteries in active pickups landgrabber is haaving a blast with theory and composition which is great nickelback fine but their bad songs get way too much radio play and make them sound way worse i have completed my very important opinion post on everything that has happened since i last viewed this thread. thank you or gently caress you depending
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landgrabber posted:i kind of resent that people are allowed to just uniformly said "nickelback bad" regardless of whatever level of criticism they usually operate on, instead of articulating what their big issues are. I can’t decide if this hill is worse than the Weezer one
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Red_Fred posted:Is there a Nickelback song that one could defend? Rockstar is great radio pop but the video is the good poo poo here - Elton John won an award at Cannes in 2017 for a Tiny Dancer video that's basically the same treatment, just shot in LA instead of NYC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmeUuoxyt_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYcyacLRPNs
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landgrabber posted:i kind of resent that people are allowed to just uniformly said "nickelback bad" regardless of whatever level of criticism they usually operate on, instead of articulating what their big issues are. my issue is i hate the over compressed vocals and their guitars sound like poo poo and they suck
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One reason I hate Nickelback is specifically the background vocals in “photograph”, there’s this harmony that’s going through the song and it *never stops*. It’s entirely flat at the exact same constant yarl as the main vocal, it’s not there to accentuate any particular peak or line it’s just, there because the production and arrangement is all about filling up space meaninglessly. I have a theory that every band people make fun of there is always another band who is actually worse. Snow Patrol are the genuinely boring Coldplay for example, and Theory of a Deadman are the even more tasteless Nickelback. I’ll never dispute people reaching for Nickelback as a punchline though because they’re the most prominent example of that sound, and people need a pressure release from hearing That Sound every time they turn on a radio. Theres no prize for being “not as excruciating” as some others. massive spider fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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The first three Nickelback albums are really interesting because they're sufficiently grunge that the inclusion of "How You Remind Me" on Silver Side Up feels like an aberration that they threw in just because the label wanted a poppy single. Like, that album opens with this song, which is downright heavy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5zFsftnkWE Unfortunately following the success of "How You Remind Me", every Nickelback album is at least 30% single bait by volume. The remaining 70% is a gamble as to whether they're going to be stinkers or actually pretty good. All The Right Reasons was 50% stinkers Dark Horse was almost a full 70% stinkers. Here and Now was 50% stinkers. They recovered on Feed the Machine but this new album's looking like it's sliding back into stinker-heavy. Kazinsal fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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That song has a great riff but I hate Chad Kroger's singing. The lyrics are meh at best and his voice is inescapably awful to my ears. It also feels incredibly borrowed from Jason era Metallica. It feels like a hybrid of enter sandman, fuel, and wherever I may roam. I think it's easy to crap on Nickelback because they made very mediocre soulless radio rock for the masses and had too much ego. When I think of the people who enjoyed them, I think of lifted pickup trucks, toxic masculinity, bedazzled rear end pocket fashion jeans paired with affliction shirts, guys that call you "brother", and it almost always came with an odd sense of patriotism despite them being a Canadian band. It's like a hard rock band that was rated PG-13 that your parents were okay with. Their songs appeared to be heavy but were almost always ruined by the singing/lyrics or over-polished production. They're obviously an incredibly successful band for a reason, all talented musicians, and people like their music. I just don't understand those people.
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I don't have an opinion on Nickelback's body of work in total. "Hero" was inescapable in 2002. I guess the credit on the song is only for Chad Kroeger (feat. Josey Scott), but it definitely impacted opinions of Nickelback at the time. The b-side of the single was a Theory of a Deadman song. It was everywhere for weeks after Tobey Maguire Spider-Man came out. I don't remember anyone having specific opinions about Nickelback around the time I went home from college that summer, but everyone was 100% sick of that song when I went got back to campus for fall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmSRMWw8Y_0
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Somebody played Hero at an open mic I drifted through last weekend. There's a good tune somewhere under all the creaking power-ballad trappings, but it's a baffler of a choice to drop as one of your designated three...
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Changed the strings on my classical today so here's some ramblings while they stretch. -I seem to be going about 5-6 months of 30-60 mins of daily playing between nylon string changes. That's longer than I expected. -I hate long nails (more than 1/16" of white drives me crazy), and I hate that I've now noticed how much better sounding and easier to play guitar is when my nails start growing out. Ugh. -I played French horn for eight years in school, so reading notation is no problem. Learning how to play notation on guitar has been tough, but manageable and familiar to what I've done before. Earlier this summer I bought some scores that have both notation and tab and wow tab feels like cheating!! I don't mean that in a bad way. It's so much easier and less work. You don't have to think about what the notes are or work out what strings to play them on, you just put your fingers where it says and it sounds right. I don't even look at the notation on these scores, it's so much more work. There's pros and cons to each of course, but I can totally understand now why tab is the standard for guitar. -I've been learning one of the pieces that made me first want to try playing classical ("Home" by Andrew York). I noticed a pattern for me, with this piece and a few others I learned because I liked hearing them. The first couple weeks are exciting because I can start to hear the song coming together. Then there's the skill gap where you know you're not playing it right and it's kind of frustrating. That's all normal I think. But I also get this weird feeling of like, "that's it?" when I'm learning a piece. Like it's this magical song that I've listened to dozens of times because I like it so much, but then I start learning it and it's just notes on a page, and some newbie like me can play with a few months of work. It's like looking behind the curtain of a magic trick. It's a little bit deflating. Does that make sense? It feels weird to me. But after a few more months of work, after I've memorized it and I start polishing it the magic comes back in the interpretation and performance of the piece.
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ColdPie posted:-I hate long nails (more than 1/16" of white drives me crazy), and I hate that I've now noticed how much better sounding and easier to play guitar is when my nails start growing out. Ugh. I'm also a 100% flesh player, and one of the adjustments my "teacher" made (I took one 90 minute lesson with a friend) was he moved my right arm and hand back. Think like, your plucking hand over the sound hole is a neck pickup and your hand back toward the bridge is the bridge pickup. It gives you a tighter feel on the strings and a more aggressive tone. It sounds and feels a little more like nails without actually needing to grow them. Also I've found I work through the wound strings at about 3x the rate of the trebs, so I only swap those when they need them. Really cuts down on how much retuning I need to do to break strings in.
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ColdPie posted:-I hate long nails (more than 1/16" of white drives me crazy), and I hate that I've now noticed how much better sounding and easier to play guitar is when my nails start growing out. Ugh. do you file / buff them? that's when nails really start to sound good. ColdPie posted:-I've been learning one of the pieces that made me first want to try playing classical ("Home" by Andrew York). I noticed a pattern for me, with this piece and a few others I learned because I liked hearing them. The first couple weeks are exciting because I can start to hear the song coming together. Then there's the skill gap where you know you're not playing it right and it's kind of frustrating. That's all normal I think. But I also get this weird feeling of like, "that's it?" when I'm learning a piece. Like it's this magical song that I've listened to dozens of times because I like it so much, but then I start learning it and it's just notes on a page, and some newbie like me can play with a few months of work. It's like looking behind the curtain of a magic trick. It's a little bit deflating. Does that make sense? It feels weird to me. But after a few more months of work, after I've memorized it and I start polishing it the magic comes back in the interpretation and performance of the piece. this seems normal to me, because... you're playing it without all the interpretation! that's what makes it sound good. every time i transcribe something that sounds super cool and hip to me, it's inevitably something simple like a major triad in first inversion, used in the perfect way
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Red_Fred posted:I can’t decide if this hill is worse than the Weezer one sorry i don’t have all the right cool person opinions. get off my back
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another sizzling take: pat finnerty is wrong about I-V-vi-IV. it’s cool. you just have to voice lead it (I, V6, vi, IV6, for instance)
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landgrabber - how are you learning all this stuff? Teachers, books, videos?
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landgrabber posted:another sizzling take: I suspect he probably wouldn't disagree - it's just that the artists he talks about generally don't do things like that.
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The secret Good Pop Progression is I-IV-vi-V
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Baron von Eevl posted:The secret Good Pop Progression is I-IV-vi-V ending on V gets tiring each time imo… i only like to invoke a cadence if i’m actually ending the section luchadornado posted:landgrabber - how are you learning all this stuff? Teachers, books, videos? please note that i am not actually that smart, i just say poo poo i think is probably true and then sometimes i’m right and sometimes everybody laughs at me because i’m wrong. for all i know, the chord inversions i just wrote there are difficult to write without introducing voice leading problems. that said: i started playing guitar with the idea that i wanted to write music. so i was always leveling in theory a little bit, i guess. though my knowledge was really scattershot until just a little bit ago. i found a PDF of Harmony and Voice Leading which is a college textbook and i took careful notes on it. then in january i started music majoring and taking theory, and my instructor is overqualified (has a PhD in music composition, teaches to community college dumbasses). so having structured theory classes and having my teacher to bounce stuff off of or just ask for reality checks occasionally, has really helped. it was weird because i knew about stuff that was like… mid-theory 1, but i didn’t know that much basic stuff. so i had to go through that, but it allowed me to make a lot of different connections. other than that, i… almost don’t know. i’ve just thought a lot about my favorite songs, and i have kind of a formalistic bent, even to the crunchy guitar music i like, so usually there’s something there to figure out. i can tell you that a really illuminating book for me that i wasn’t assigned in school was schoenberg’s fundamentals of musical composition— taught me a lot about themes, and variations, and stuff like that. still not done with it and i’ll have to read it a few more times, but really, it’s super useful. fwiw if the name schoenberg scares you- my understanding is that he was just a music teacher at UCLA for a long time, and that’s what his books are based on. lots of the examples are just from classical music and stuff, fortunately it’s not wall to wall atonal music.
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