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okay, and have you done anything about fixing that or are you just here to jerk off?
i feel like i've done well separating my flames from my sincere posts. i'll admit i've undercut myself but this whole dustup is hard to wade into from any direction without catching a walloping.
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Lets do some thought experiments here.
How much money does the fund have? I don't mean income, I mean how much is currently sitting in there.
Are we assuming that the fund is operating at a net-zero? Is ~3200 going in each month, and exactly ~3200 is going out to pay goons? I doubt it, but lets assume so. This is really precarious! Lets assume hypothetically that Plinkey is kicked off Patreon today, for whatever reason. 3200/mo becomes 0/mo. If the fund is operating at a net zero, then the fund is suddenly completely unable to help anybody until Plinkey is able to secure a new source of donations. Wouldn't the people giving money like to know if that is the case? I sure would!
More likely than that, the fund is not operating at net zero, and there is excess money left over each month. Hopefully this money is being kept in an account where it can accumulate interest and can be accessed when the need arrives, say if the Patreon starts to dry up but people are still in need.. But we don't know how much is in there and that's a problem!
Lets say of the 3200/mo, 2200 is going out to goons. So there would be 10,000 excess funding so far from this year, that should be sitting in an account, enough to cover 4-5 months of that same rate. That would give Plinkey plenty of time to continue supporting goons while trying to re-secure the funding. Great!
But lets say there's a lot less money sitting around (because we have ZERO idea how much money there is!). Lets say there's only about 100 dollars leftover at the end of each month, and Plinkey is not able to sustain the fund without the Patreon. Wou'dnt you want to know if the fund's existence was this precarious? Letting the community know "hey, our funds are a bit low right now" would be a fantastic way to secure more donations, because I can't imagine anybody who is currently giving would want to see this thing fail.
And another hypothetical, lets say that the fund is doing really well, and there's more like 30k sitting around. Don't you think, if that was the case, that there are some donors out there who might take that information and reduce their current pledge? I'm sure that not everyone currently giving is totally financially stable. Without being properly informed about the financial wellbeing of the fund, some of these individuals might feel pressured into giving more than they really feel comfortable.
Anyways, none of this even takes into account the possibility that amounts might be skimmed off the top. We don't need to consider that at all, because no matter how you slice it, the failure to disclose financials is automatically misappropriation. It doesn't matter if Plinkey is putting the money into a bank account, or if he's hording it in his sock drawer. it doesn't matter if he is shoving it into a huge cartoon money bag and dragging it straight to the casino, it doesn't matter if he is throwing dollar bills out the window at homeless people, or if he's feeding they money to an alligator at the zoo. The fact that it is unaccounted for is unethical, end of story. People are giving money to a specific cause, and people have a right to know how that money is being used for that cause.
u don't have to give money
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Lets do some thought experiments here.
How much money does the fund have? I don't mean income, I mean how much is currently sitting in there.
Are we assuming that the fund is operating at a net-zero? Is ~3200 going in each month, and exactly ~3200 is going out to pay goons? I doubt it, but lets assume so. This is really precarious! Lets assume hypothetically that Plinkey is kicked off Patreon today, for whatever reason. 3200/mo becomes 0/mo. If the fund is operating at a net zero, then the fund is suddenly completely unable to help anybody until Plinkey is able to secure a new source of donations. Wouldn't the people giving money like to know if that is the case? I sure would!
More likely than that, the fund is not operating at net zero, and there is excess money left over each month. Hopefully this money is being kept in an account where it can accumulate interest and can be accessed when the need arrives, say if the Patreon starts to dry up but people are still in need.. But we don't know how much is in there and that's a problem!
Lets say of the 3200/mo, 2200 is going out to goons. So there would be 10,000 excess funding so far from this year, that should be sitting in an account, enough to cover 4-5 months of that same rate. That would give Plinkey plenty of time to continue supporting goons while trying to re-secure the funding. Great!
But lets say there's a lot less money sitting around (because we have ZERO idea how much money there is!). Lets say there's only about 100 dollars leftover at the end of each month, and Plinkey is not able to sustain the fund without the Patreon. Wou'dnt you want to know if the fund's existence was this precarious? Letting the community know "hey, our funds are a bit low right now" would be a fantastic way to secure more donations, because I can't imagine anybody who is currently giving would want to see this thing fail.
And another hypothetical, lets say that the fund is doing really well, and there's more like 30k sitting around. Don't you think, if that was the case, that there are some donors out there who might take that information and reduce their current pledge? I'm sure that not everyone currently giving is totally financially stable. Without being properly informed about the financial wellbeing of the fund, some of these individuals might feel pressured into giving more than they really feel comfortable.
Anyways, none of this even takes into account the possibility that amounts might be skimmed off the top. We don't need to consider that at all, because no matter how you slice it, the failure to disclose financials is automatically misappropriation. It doesn't matter if Plinkey is putting the money into a bank account, or if he's hording it in his sock drawer. it doesn't matter if he is shoving it into a huge cartoon money bag and dragging it straight to the casino, it doesn't matter if he is throwing dollar bills out the window at homeless people, or if he's feeding they money to an alligator at the zoo. The fact that it is unaccounted for is unethical, end of story. People are giving money to a specific cause, and people have a right to know how that money is being used for that cause.
again, all i have invested in it is $25 a month. when i can.
if it's wasted, it has no more went to waste in somebody else's pocket than it did in mine.
i'm sorry that you think i need an itemized reciept of how every penny of that $25 went towards helping someone, but giving someone else money directly doesn't need a loving whitepaper.
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- Plinkey
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again, all i have invested in it is $25 a month. when i can.
if it's wasted, it has no more went to waste in somebody else's pocket than it did in mine.
:whitepaper.
thanks man it helps
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- CODChimera
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i feel like i've done well separating my flames from my sincere posts. i'll admit i've undercut myself but this whole dustup is hard to wade into from any direction without catching a walloping.
maybe tag one of your buddies in, you're cooked
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- I got the tude now
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giving you the benefit of the doubt, because im a loving rube from expecting good from people, you didn't do a great job of separating them
i'll take this into account. [paragon]
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maybe tag one of your buddies in, you're cooked
tired of bagwork :punchy:
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yeah it's playing out how some of us in the qcs thread thought it would lol
can't believe none of them are helping out!! feeling betrayed
I think the discussion moved back to the sagas thread since nobody is going to step up to become the next target lol
Lets do some thought experiments here.
How much money does the fund have? I don't mean income, I mean how much is currently sitting in there.
Are we assuming that the fund is operating at a net-zero? Is ~3200 going in each month, and exactly ~3200 is going out to pay goons? I doubt it, but lets assume so. This is really precarious! Lets assume hypothetically that Plinkey is kicked off Patreon today, for whatever reason. 3200/mo becomes 0/mo. If the fund is operating at a net zero, then the fund is suddenly completely unable to help anybody until Plinkey is able to secure a new source of donations. Wouldn't the people giving money like to know if that is the case? I sure would!
More likely than that, the fund is not operating at net zero, and there is excess money left over each month. Hopefully this money is being kept in an account where it can accumulate interest and can be accessed when the need arrives, say if the Patreon starts to dry up but people are still in need.. But we don't know how much is in there and that's a problem!
Lets say of the 3200/mo, 2200 is going out to goons. So there would be 10,000 excess funding so far from this year, that should be sitting in an account, enough to cover 4-5 months of that same rate. That would give Plinkey plenty of time to continue supporting goons while trying to re-secure the funding. Great!
But lets say there's a lot less money sitting around (because we have ZERO idea how much money there is!). Lets say there's only about 100 dollars leftover at the end of each month, and Plinkey is not able to sustain the fund without the Patreon. Wou'dnt you want to know if the fund's existence was this precarious? Letting the community know "hey, our funds are a bit low right now" would be a fantastic way to secure more donations, because I can't imagine anybody who is currently giving would want to see this thing fail.
And another hypothetical, lets say that the fund is doing really well, and there's more like 30k sitting around. Don't you think, if that was the case, that there are some donors out there who might take that information and reduce their current pledge? I'm sure that not everyone currently giving is totally financially stable. Without being properly informed about the financial wellbeing of the fund, some of these individuals might feel pressured into giving more than they really feel comfortable.
Anyways, none of this even takes into account the possibility that amounts might be skimmed off the top. We don't need to consider that at all, because no matter how you slice it, the failure to disclose financials is automatically misappropriation. It doesn't matter if Plinkey is putting the money into a bank account, or if he's hording it in his sock drawer. it doesn't matter if he is shoving it into a huge cartoon money bag and dragging it straight to the casino, it doesn't matter if he is throwing dollar bills out the window at homeless people, or if he's feeding they money to an alligator at the zoo. The fact that it is unaccounted for is unethical, end of story. People are giving money to a specific cause, and people have a right to know how that money is being used for that cause.
Nobody asked for your thought experiments. Donate or don't. Request or don't. Save this stuff for the alternative pitch, scoot along now they need you very badly. All you're doing here is convincing people to not accept help when you've set up fuckall to pick up the slack, get crackin
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- VideoKid
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weird, I wonder who started it
seriously you need to gently caress off
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i feel like i've done well separating my flames from my sincere posts. i'll admit i've undercut myself but this whole dustup is hard to wade into from any direction without catching a walloping.
hrrm, you're absolutely right. have you tried reading more and posting less? could be why you're missing context and why everybody in this thread is telling you to go gently caress yourself
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i hope you're not implying i've said this, b/c i believe the opposite!
i feel like i've done well separating my flames from my sincere posts. i'll admit i've undercut myself but this whole dustup is hard to wade into from any direction without catching a walloping.
yea I thought you were one of the rear end in a top hat QCS/ Drama thread posters
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I think the discussion moved back to the sagas thread since nobody is going to step up to become the next target lol
Nobody asked for your thought experiments. Donate or don't. Request or don't. Save this stuff for the alternative pitch, scoot along now they need you very badly. All you're doing here is convincing people to not accept help when you've set up fuckall to pick up the slack, get crackin
Is this your opinion as a mod of SA or simply as a poster?
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i agree that there should be at least a minimum of transparency if not more. but i also think that the posters here angry at the drama created have a point as well in that a number of those concerned posters only did it for drama and not because they gave a poo poo.
edit: anyways ill go back to donating $10 a month based on a number of posters here personally attesting that the op has helped them
HallelujahLee has issued a correction as of 22:46 on Oct 17, 2022
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i agree that there should be at least a minimum of transparency if not more. but i also think that the posters here angry at the drama created have a point as well in that a number of those concerned posters only did it for drama and not because they gave a poo poo.
if they did, in fact, give a poo poo, they'd have the groundwork for their totally better charity with blackjack and hookers and everything laid and running by the end of the week.
the qcs thread and the tumbleweeds rolling through it demonstrate their intent well enough. i mean, poo poo, goon projects am i right?
motherfuckers ain't even started a wiki yet.
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Is this your opinion as a mod of SA or simply as a poster?
why won’t you go post in the thread for the new fund?
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I think the discussion moved back to the sagas thread since nobody is going to step up to become the next target lol
Nobody asked for your thought experiments. Donate or don't. Request or don't. Save this stuff for the alternative pitch, scoot along now they need you very badly. All you're doing here is convincing people to not accept help when you've set up fuckall to pick up the slack, get crackin
how about you respond to anything i actually said lol.
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if they did, in fact, give a poo poo, they'd have the groundwork for their totally better charity with blackjack and hookers and everything laid and running by the end of the week,
the qcs thread and the tumbleweeds rolling through it demonstrate their intent well enough.
yeah thats my main problem with them its fine to ask for transparency and contribute to getting it done but alot of them are clearly psychos laughing in their weird cult thread over there.
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hrrm, you're absolutely right. have you tried reading more and posting less? could be why you're missing context and why everybody in this thread is telling you to go gently caress yourself
i'm not seeing many rebuttals to the side that wants oversight other than "MAKE YOUR OWN GOON FUND THEN" which is a famously flawed argument.
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I think the discussion moved back to the sagas thread since nobody is going to step up to become the next target lol
chicken poo poo when they can't dog pile people. typical
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i'm not seeing many rebuttals to the side that wants oversight other than "MAKE YOUR OWN GOON FUND THEN" which is a famously flawed argument.
plinky said he will be posting a spread sheet in the future
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i'm not seeing many rebuttals to the side that wants oversight other than "MAKE YOUR OWN GOON FUND THEN" which is a famously flawed argument.
no it isn't. it's just that everyone knows none of u will do anything actually useful
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yea I thought you were one of the rear end in a top hat QCS/ Drama thread posters
i'll admit i participate in both, and enjoy both participating in the drama of the site but it's also the only real way to engage in discussions about what the members of the forum consider appropriate on the forum. it gets messy, just how i like it.
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Give me my powers back.
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i'll admit i participate in both, and enjoy both participating in the drama of the site but it's also the only real way to engage in discussions about what the members of the forum consider appropriate on the forum. it gets messy, just how i like it.
honestly, gently caress off
if you dont donate or ask for money or post in cspam you have no reason to be here
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i'm not seeing many rebuttals to the side that wants oversight other than "MAKE YOUR OWN GOON FUND THEN" which is a famously flawed argument.
hrm. as someone who considers himself a stakeholder on multiple sides (e.g. donor and recipient), why would i want oversight for the loving pittance i've asked of the fund and given towards in return?
why should those who have had no use the fund nor any prior interest in contributing towards it before have a say in how it is operated now?
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yeah thats my main problem with them its fine to ask for transparency and contribute to getting it done but alot of them are clearly psychos laughing in their weird cult thread over there.
sssh, you're not supposed to understand that despite how obvious it is
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Lets do some thought experiments here.
How much money does the fund have? I don't mean income, I mean how much is currently sitting in there.
Are we assuming that the fund is operating at a net-zero? Is ~3200 going in each month, and exactly ~3200 is going out to pay goons? I doubt it, but lets assume so. This is really precarious! Lets assume hypothetically that Plinkey is kicked off Patreon today, for whatever reason. 3200/mo becomes 0/mo. If the fund is operating at a net zero, then the fund is suddenly completely unable to help anybody until Plinkey is able to secure a new source of donations. Wouldn't the people giving money like to know if that is the case? I sure would!
More likely than that, the fund is not operating at net zero, and there is excess money left over each month. Hopefully this money is being kept in an account where it can accumulate interest and can be accessed when the need arrives, say if the Patreon starts to dry up but people are still in need.. But we don't know how much is in there and that's a problem!
Lets say of the 3200/mo, 2200 is going out to goons. So there would be 10,000 excess funding so far from this year, that should be sitting in an account, enough to cover 4-5 months of that same rate. That would give Plinkey plenty of time to continue supporting goons while trying to re-secure the funding. Great!
But lets say there's a lot less money sitting around (because we have ZERO idea how much money there is!). Lets say there's only about 100 dollars leftover at the end of each month, and Plinkey is not able to sustain the fund without the Patreon. Wou'dnt you want to know if the fund's existence was this precarious? Letting the community know "hey, our funds are a bit low right now" would be a fantastic way to secure more donations, because I can't imagine anybody who is currently giving would want to see this thing fail.
And another hypothetical, lets say that the fund is doing really well, and there's more like 30k sitting around. Don't you think, if that was the case, that there are some donors out there who might take that information and reduce their current pledge? I'm sure that not everyone currently giving is totally financially stable. Without being properly informed about the financial wellbeing of the fund, some of these individuals might feel pressured into giving more than they really feel comfortable.
Anyways, none of this even takes into account the possibility that amounts might be skimmed off the top. We don't need to consider that at all, because no matter how you slice it, the failure to disclose financials is automatically misappropriation. It doesn't matter if Plinkey is putting the money into a bank account, or if he's hording it in his sock drawer. it doesn't matter if he is shoving it into a huge cartoon money bag and dragging it straight to the casino, it doesn't matter if he is throwing dollar bills out the window at homeless people, or if he's feeding they money to an alligator at the zoo. The fact that it is unaccounted for is unethical, end of story. People are giving money to a specific cause, and people have a right to know how that money is being used for that cause.
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- I got the tude now
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honestly, gently caress off
if you dont donate or ask for money or post in cspam you have no reason to be here
hey where's the money going
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don't worry about other people's money
doesnt sound very revolutionary comrade
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imagine what a rank loving freak you'd have to be to direct a bunch of venom and spite at a community you nominally have belonged to for years and still participate in, just pure arrested development psycho poo poo that doesn't seem "bad" because we live in such a hosed up world where destroying people for petty or imagined reasons is fine lmao
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hey where's the money going
plinkey shows us all what the money goes towards almost every single night
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doesnt sound very revolutionary comrade
this isn't a revolution
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