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Vinylshadow posted:From Star Wars (2020) #25 I would challenge both those interpretations, the jedi ceding everything to the sith would be stupid and the laser sword is clearly one of the most op and dangerous weapons in star wars. Id love a property that challenged these ideas directly. i think ultimately they are necessary and a good choice of weapon but would love to see it actually explored in tv or movie beyond ooo lightsaber yay but v funny there is already something out there that gets what ive been thinking about. gonna reread it later when i get home!
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It always bothered me the way that latter Star Wars portrayed the force and lightsabers, after the original trilogy went out of its way to show Yoda and Sheev as being expert wielders of the force, who in didn't need weapons. In ESB, I don't even recall Yoda having Like train with his Saber at all. When he goes into the cave, he flat out tells him he doesn't need his weapons. In ROTJ Palpatine is completely unarmed. He gets his way by manipulating those around him to do his bidding by tapping into and 0encouraging their darker selves. It felt much more aligned to the xen thing of the force having a kinship with the environment around you and allowing it to willfully / forcing it against its will to be a part of you. It felt like everyone and anyone was a part of it to some degree, and these guys were absolute masters on either end of the spectrum. Somewhere along the line with the prequels this turned into Jedi's and siths are unique superheroes / villains who have videogame preset move lists. As an example, both those characters appear again, though this time with lightsabers and ridiculous spinny wheel of death moves to try and make them more akin to the depictions of prequel Jedi. Another reason why I'm really happy this show doesn't delve into Jedi stuff at all. Isometric Bacon fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Oct 16, 2022 |
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When Yoda shows up in Attack of the Clones, I thought for one beautiful moment that Dooku was gonna try some spinny poo poo and Yoda was just gonna... y'know... calmly block his every move with the most basic and bare movement of his lightsaber, if he even bothered to use a lightsaber at all. Instead, he just starts leaping and flipping about while all the idiots in the crowd were hooting and hollering. As for me  ? Well.... I was one of those idiots hooting and hollering too, because I was caught up in the moment and thought it was cool as hell, and the only thing more embarrassing than watching it back now is remembering how much I enjoyed that stupid scene when I first saw it 
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Oct 17, 2022 04:25
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Hell, it is cool. He's a classic old master who sits still and acts reserved and thoughtful but can still take on the villains because he trained them in the first place. That said, he's also badly hosed up by even being there- by charging in heedlessly to save his friends, he has become an agent of evil
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The Jedi will always be an issue, not because there’s anything inherently wrong with including them in a story, but I think the moment one is added every executive just starts seeing dollar signs everywhere and they swarm the creative staff like locusts.
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The Yoda lightsaber fight was absolutely in the tradition of samurai/martial arts movies where the wisened old master surprisingly still has amazing moves, after barely moving through the movie so far. It's great and I love it.
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Comrade Fakename posted:The Yoda lightsaber fight was absolutely in the tradition of samurai/martial arts movies where the wisened old master surprisingly still has amazing moves, after barely moving through the movie so far. It's great and I love it. Should have been an EXACT 1:1 reenactment of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfpagB8wWng Yes, bloody spurt included 
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Oct 17, 2022 14:20
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I don't know how you do super mind powers fights without it looking weird. The Gandalf Saruman fight demonstrates this. But you also probably can't just have Yoda exploding heads like Scanners.
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Sash! posted:I don't know how you do super mind powers fights without it looking weird. The Gandalf Saruman fight demonstrates this. You do an awesome, balls-to-the-wall action fight, but part way through, you shift perspective to a 3rd party observer and see it's just the two of them intently staring at each other maybe with some blood trickling down the nose of the guy who's losing. Why, yes. The Venture Brothers did this. Why do you ask?
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Jedism isn't really a coherent ideology. Even in Yoda's "judge me by my size do you" speech - the Jedi equivalent to the Sermon on the Mount - he says the Force is created by all living things and points at a rock.
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He also destroys the sacred jedi texts and says nothing there that Rey doesn’t already know Uh Electric Judgment dawg Or that Mundi had a whole bunch of wives cuz wow
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zoux posted:Jedism isn't really a coherent ideology. Even in Yoda's "judge me by my size do you" speech - the Jedi equivalent to the Sermon on the Mount - he says the Force is created by all living things and points at a rock. Yeah, none of the movies/shows (some book might, but it's probably been un-canon'd by Disney) have a neutral scholar of the Jedi/the Force discuss anything (this is not a flaw). All of the sources we're presented with on-screen regarding Jedi/Sith ideology are wildly biased. Really, Star Wars is at it's best when it's impressionistic, Jedi don't have to be deeper than "the good guy space wizards."
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What's funny is that in my youth groups and private christian churches we were taught that Star Wars was satanic because it promoted "Eastern mysticism".
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zoux posted:Jedism isn't really a coherent ideology. Even in Yoda's "judge me by my size do you" speech - the Jedi equivalent to the Sermon on the Mount - he says the Force is created by all living things and points at a rock. lol. What the gently caress? I'm literally watching ESB right now. And he doesn't point at the rock as if it creates the force. It's part of the list of things between which the force exists. It's literally him just expounding on how it "surrounds us and binds us" by pointing out that it exists between all things including the trees, the rocks, and us.
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zoux posted:What's funny is that in my youth groups and private christian churches we were taught that Star Wars was satanic because it promoted "Eastern mysticism". That's straight out of Turmoil in the Toybox, a Evangelical Christian book that felt the need to turn what toys your kids bought into a struggle for their very souls. Levitation was also a big part of their fears too.
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do you think cassian would've taken his fair share of the cut and then gone on his anyways? or do you think it was something about the heist that pulls him towards respecting the mission and the deal? i'm thinking about him and nemik in particular, but not strictly in the ideology of the manifesto. imo cassian putting that trust in nemik's hands is also the act and 'praxis' that produces a bit of commitment - moral or ideological or faithful, who's to say? - to the heist, only taking his pay and not stealing anything more or maybe another question is - i feel like episode 1 andor clearly wouldve been more skeenlike and trying to find more profit, but after everything that's happened, something in him has moved a bit?
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The TV series of Legion handled its battles between master telepaths as dance-offs and songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ja5ehgpCA&t=121s
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Jinnigan posted:do you think cassian would've taken his fair share of the cut and then gone on his anyways? or do you think it was something about the heist that pulls him towards respecting the mission and the deal? i'm thinking about him and nemik in particular, but not strictly in the ideology of the manifesto. imo cassian putting that trust in nemik's hands is also the act and 'praxis' that produces a bit of commitment - moral or ideological or faithful, who's to say? - to the heist, only taking his pay and not stealing anything more I think he would have taken his only his cut regardless, the only difference being the ratio of his motivation shifting from mostly "if I renege on the deal I'll get killed in retaliation" to more "these guys are fighting the good fight, I shouldn't take more than what I was owed." It's not like the Rebel Alliance is squeamish about tying up loose ends, just look at Andor himself in Rogue One.
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twistedmentat posted:That's straight out of Turmoil in the Toybox, a Evangelical Christian book that felt the need to turn what toys your kids bought into a struggle for their very souls. Levitation was also a big part of their fears too. ouija boards and d&d also enabled levitating and were therefore evil
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Jinnigan posted:do you think cassian would've taken his fair share of the cut and then gone on his anyways? or do you think it was something about the heist that pulls him towards respecting the mission and the deal? i'm thinking about him and nemik in particular, but not strictly in the ideology of the manifesto. imo cassian putting that trust in nemik's hands is also the act and 'praxis' that produces a bit of commitment - moral or ideological or faithful, who's to say? - to the heist, only taking his pay and not stealing anything more Luthen promises Cassian a big payout, but he hooks him before that with the idea of revenge against the Empire. He's already no longer motivated for purely mercenary ends.
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Jerusalem posted:Should have been an EXACT 1:1 reenactment of this: Man, that's great. I really need to check out all those old samurai flicks, it's a bit of a gaping hole in my cinema watching.
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Technocrat posted:The TV series of Legion handled its battles between master telepaths as dance-offs and songs The psychic rap battle was the utter highlight of season 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6-9BsZ1qyA But all pales in comparison to the arrival of the Shadow King in season 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V89QyxIPxD4 Man what a fantastic one season show with two extra scenes over the next couple of years that show was.
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I said come in! posted:Have you played https://store.steampowered.com/app/1222730/STAR_WARS_Squadrons/ I wish! Best tech I've got is a Nintendo switch and an old laptop that just barely plays heroes of the storm on lowest settings.
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zoux posted:Jedism isn't really a coherent ideology. Even in Yoda's "judge me by my size do you" speech - the Jedi equivalent to the Sermon on the Mount - he says the Force is created by all living things and points at a rock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXzzHM8zLw&t=42s
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I like how A More Civilized Age podcast, brought up that Cassian just raided a imperial base, stole their money, flew across a burning sky, had to kill one of us own, and he ends up so small and afraid of a book. Mon Mothma acting like Bush in the classroom reading the book when the towers got hit. Need Papa Palpatine giving an emergency news broadcast that everything is ok and that the threat level is green right now Quixotic1 fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Oct 18, 2022 |
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If this show ever does force users, Sith, Jedi, or other, I hope it's just a blur of insane action that none of the characters can comprehend. Like just a blur whirling through their ranks, something that seems almost supernatural. I hope it neve goes there at all, but if it does it should be from the normals' perspective and not center the force user in the action. There was that rather terrifying Vader moment in Rogue One that would kind of work in the Andor context.
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Well this sucks. I hope they actually make season 2. https://twitter.com/Great_Katzby/status/1581048249699676160
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we're getting baby k2SO aren't we
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mcmagic posted:Well this sucks. I hope they actually make season 2. It’s already greenlit. I have a feeling Disney knew this wouldn’t be as huge. Which is probably why they don’t make this type of show as much. Though that’s also probably why it has less viewers because people who would like this show got burned out by the more crappy ones. This is the kind of show that people who love BCS or The Americans could love, but wouldn’t be caught dead watching something like Boba Fett.
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I'm sure they built a relatively low expectation of audience interest into greenlighting the show. I mean it's about a guy in a movie from 2016 whose name is a conjunction bridging two interchangeable concepts. It was always gonna be an underdog
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Season 2 starts filming is starting in November,so unless Warner Brothers/HBO buys Disney and starts canceling everything we don't need to worry about season 2. What worries me is the design by committee getting its hands on the show, less so for Season 2 since its already being made, at worst they demand "Solo" like reshots at worst taking full control for season 3. Alan Smithee posted:we're getting baby k2SO aren't we Disney combined Parks and Products departments some time ago, so yeah I"m worried of them trying to force in some merchandising potential in later seasons.
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theblackw0lf posted:It’s already greenlit. I guess it's about a bit character and there are no actors on the show that anyone would be brought in by but it's the best thing that has ever been on D+ by a huge margin.
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Quixotic1 posted:Season 2 starts filming is starting in November,so unless Warner Brothers/HBO buys Disney and starts canceling everything we don't need to worry about season 2. Isn't season 2 meant to end right before Rogue One?
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Andor is gonna end at season 2. Its been planned as a 24 episode story ever since they decided doing 5 seasons was gonna be too much. Season 1 is 1 full year. Season 2 is 4 years, with each 3 episode bunch taking place in a different year (unknown how much time spans each arc but its 0-1 year). The last arc leads right into Rogue One. I honestly wouldn't worry about studio interference. Andor is universally critically praised, it'll probably do something come awards time. I can see the execs pumping the obi-wan schlock to build up credit for the less popular but more acclaimed series like Andor. Also I think word of mouth + the bingeability of Andor once it is fully released will help it long term.
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mcmagic posted:I guess it's about a bit character and there are no actors on the show that anyone would be brought in by but it's the best thing that has ever been on D+ by a huge margin. how dare you https://i.imgur.com/ToHSzAR.mp4
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i mean are there Stellan Skaarsgard fancams
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mcmagic posted:Well this sucks. I hope they actually make season 2. It's the Star Trek: Beyond syndrome of a series' ratings being determined by franchise predecessors and franchise fatigue rather than its own quality. I had been thinking about not watching Andor because I was expecting the prequel-of-a-prequel to mean was wrong with Obi-Wan squared.
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The good thing is that if the series isn't a smash hit, Disney is less likely to make its second season a spinoff launching platform as they did with The Mandalorian. So long as it doesn't flop so hard that the second season gets a budget cut, this is the ideal scenario for quality (I'm joking but also kinda not).
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