Terrible Opinions posted:

What about the internet gives everyone the "all criticism is insincere and no improvement will ever be enough for them" brain worm?

Shiroc posted:

Is there genuinely any accounting that plinkey could provide that doesn't violate the stated principles for this fund that would actually satisfy people who think its a scam?

Terrible Opinions posted:

What about the internet gives everyone the "all criticism is insincere and no improvement will ever be enough for them" brain worm?

spacemang_spliff posted:

So like do any of the goons coming from qcs or pyf or gbs who suddenly are very concerned about the transparency of a fund they learned about 2 days ago have any evidence at all that anything improper was or is happening? Because I haven't seen any and it's not like the rules were unclear

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

uh, you're missing the possibility were we set this thing up the right way, and move to help people more efficiently. people have been trying to improve the fund since the start! literally nobody wants to see this blow up! it clearly has a good purpose and serves the community. in fact,many of the suggestions itt (such as not depending on one single person) would help to prevent the fund from blowing up out of nowhere

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

we literally don't know if this is true or not, because we don't know what is happening to the money. if donations are not being used for their intended purpose, then that is harm being done to the community. and before you say that nobody itt is saying anything about that, people have been asking for transparency since the thread started! we can't just isolate this to the last few days. This is an active problem that has been on-going, and has now developed to its current state. this 'drama' has not just emerged from the ether like some would try to frame this. in fact, this whole thing could've been resolved ages ago if Plinkey had not responded so aggressively towards people who, early on, wanted to help out, or had advice on how to keep things accountable.

and also, as I said before people are already unsubscribing from the Patreon. presumably those people care and are part of this community!

pentyne posted:

weirdly, neither do you, because you have literally no proof of how the money is being used and that is being held up as a good thing about this fund

VideoKid posted:

what proof would satisfy you?

pentyne posted:

any amount greater then "none"

pentyne posted:

any amount greater then "none"

Homeless Friend posted:

cause goons to go insane/get tude banned.

pentyne posted:

A big flaming stink posted:

i want to reiterate to you, pentyne, that regardless of your intentions, you are posting in a way that is perfectly calibrated to advancing the goal of having the current fund shut down before the new one is up and ready.

i do not believe that is what you intend, but that is the likely material result of your actions thus far.

A big flaming stink posted:

are you making this criticism with hopes that it will lead to plinkey changing? because plinkey has made it emininently obvious he is unwilling to do so. are you making this criticism to discourage people from contributing to the fund? because if that's the case wow thats loving lovely.

people have attested, over and over, that this is not a problem for them. if this is a problem for you, either do not donate yourself, or convince others not to donate.

if you do the latter, people in here are going to get angry at you

pentyne posted:

weird that asking basic questions about accountability and transparency is an existential threat to this fund.

pentyne posted:

weird that asking basic questions about accountability and transparency is an existential threat to this fund.

fun hater posted:

may i at least see the patreon generated reports without the user information. just delete those columns in excel or w/e. can i just see how much patreon has consumed as a service user

i dont understand why it would take more than 5 mins to do that

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

aye aye aye, you have some pretzel logic here

Plinkey has already stated that he is going to release numbers. That sounds like he is, in fact, willing to change! And I think its a terrific start. The biggest problem, imo, is that there is no transparency with the fund. The community should know what is happening with the money, how much money the fund has, etc. It is my sincere hope that Plinkey continues to supply this information moving forward. It is the right thing to do, and will help to re-build trust.

Following from that, I also hope that Plinkey can look to the UK fund for inspiration, and will look to re-structure things such to avoid any unnecessary third party fees, like the cut Patreon is currently taking. I know several people have reached out to him to assist with this. In fact, if Plinkey is willing to work to make that happen, then I see absolutely no reason for the other fund to exist. The best case scenario here really is that Plinkey and those goons team up improve the infrastructure of our existing fund. I think that would best serve everyone!

Now, if Plinkey is unable to make any long-term changes, in that case, yeah I think that people would be much better served supporting the other fund. But no, altogether the point of my criticism is not at all to just discourage people from giving to a charitable cause. I just don't want to see people get ripped off.

And again, yes I know that there are people ITT who do not care about the lack of transparency. You can go back to the start of the thread and follow it and find that there have been plenty of people who feel differently than that, long before the "pyf drama invasion".

World Famous W posted:

you ain't important, wait like the rest of us to see if jeff gets them or not

A big flaming stink posted:

im gonna be real with you the thread of the other fund currently has every stereotype of a goon project going down in flames

fun hater posted:

why. why would sharing that information be controversial

Salt Fish posted:

Wow this is a great idea, I think its really important that the mods and admins should see it right away. You should go post it in QCS!

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

Hey maybe you can organize a mutual aid fund to raise them $10

spacemang_spliff posted:

So like do any of the goons coming from qcs or pyf or gbs who suddenly are very concerned about the transparency of a fund they learned about 2 days ago have any evidence at all that anything improper was or is happening? Because I haven't seen any and it's not like the rules were unclear

fun hater posted:

why. why would sharing that information be controversial

fun hater posted:

the only person who has this info is the op. whats with the hostility

pentyne posted:

any amount greater then "none"

World Famous W posted:

no idea where you get that from "wait with the rest of us" but i don't think it is

asking for patience is not the same as asking to drop it

fun hater posted:

it would be the barest step toward any view of the backend and could be done very quickly for the benefit of freelancers

Salt Fish posted:

QCS is a really helpful cool forum where you can talk about issues with other threads, forum rules, and ideas to help other goons. It's the perfect place for great ideas like yours, I don't know what you're talking about re aggression.

spacemang_spliff posted:

from what plinkey has said he's come to an agreement with jeff to provide a spreadsheet of what's coming and going

for now I think that is about as much as the concerned citizens are going to get and you'll have to patient, in the meantime if you're uncomfortable with how plinkey runs the fund don't donate to it

if you're still concerned then feel free to start another QCS thread on the topic