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PostNouveau posted:He should have kept his long hair That’s the real Saban and the Saban we know is the version from the Black Lodge
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A little late but I put together a dirty shrimp poll. I'm on vacation for two weeks on Friday so no polls for a couple of weeks. By then I think we'll have a CFP poll to compare this to - pre:Delta Team Record Score Conference Rankings - 1. Clemson 7-0 3.7999 1. SEC 1.0875 - 2. Georgia 7-0 3.5550 2. Big 12 1.0283 - 3. UCLA 6-0 3.2802 3. Big 10 0.8494 +3 4. Tennessee 6-0 3.1911 4. ACC 0.8345 +3 5. Syracuse 6-0 3.1646 5. Pac 12 0.6459 - 6. Ole Miss 7-0 3.1454 6. Sun Belt -0.0912 +2 7. TCU 6-0 3.1297 7. American -0.2934 +3 8. Michigan 7-0 2.9245 8. Conf USA -0.8253 -4 9. Ohio State 6-0 2.7953 9. Mount West -1.0349 -6 10. USC 6-1 2.7743 10. MAC -1.0594 +3 11. Illinois 6-1 2.6704 -2 12. Wake Forest 5-1 2.5432 +6 13. Utah 5-2 2.2766 -1 14. Oregon 5-1 2.2478 - 15. Kansas State 5-1 2.1770 -4 16. NC State 5-2 2.1306 - 17. Alabama 6-1 2.0666 - 18. Penn State 5-1 2.0003 +5 19. Purdue 5-2 1.8307 +2 20. South Alabama 5-1 1.8286 +9 21. UCF 5-1 1.8124 +3 22. LSU 5-2 1.7760 +8 23. Texas 5-2 1.6725 +2 24. Cincinnati 5-1 1.6458 -5 25. Oklahoma State 5-1 1.5349 -6 122. Temple 2-4 -1.9647 -2 123. Florida Intl 2-4 -2.0604 -11 124. Western Michigan 2-5 -2.0605 -2 125. Massachusetts 1-6 -2.3132 +1 126. Northwestern 1-5 -2.3483 -1 127. Akron 1-6 -2.4389 - 128. Nevada 2-5 -2.5039 +1 129. New Mexico State 2-5 -2.7066 -1 130. Colorado State 1-5 -2.7718 - 131. Charlotte 1-6 -3.3939 Since you're about to ask, improvements in strengths of schedule kept Bama and Penn State where they were. pre:Delta Team Rec Score +3 26. Tulane 6-1 1.5264 +11 27. Kentucky 5-2 1.5129 +9 28. Mississippi State 5-2 1.4954 +16 29. Maryland 5-2 1.4907 -9 30. Kansas 5-2 1.4494 +2 31. Washington 5-2 1.4404 +12 32. Oregon State 5-2 1.3000 +9 33. North Carolina 6-1 1.2885 -7 34. Minnesota 4-2 1.1701 -19 35. James Madison 5-1 1.1533 +7 36. Troy 5-2 1.0449 +12 37. Liberty 6-1 1.0297 +1 38. Pittsburgh 4-2 1.0022 -11 39. Florida State 4-3 0.9866 -8 40. Florida 4-3 0.9825 +21 41. Oklahoma 4-3 0.9628 -19 42. Coastal Carolina 6-1 0.8134 +25 43. Arkansas 4-3 0.7429 +7 44. Georgia Tech 3-3 0.7258 -5 45. Iowa 3-3 0.6794 +7 46. Duke 4-3 0.6396 +17 47. Louisville 3-3 0.6359 +26 48. West Virginia 3-3 0.5114 +6 49. Air Force 5-2 0.5012 +6 50. Texas A&M 3-3 0.4821 Delta Team Rec Score +4 51. UAB 4-2 0.4568 -18 52. San Jose State 4-2 0.4488 +10 53. UTSA 5-2 0.4431 -7 54. Washington State 4-3 0.3743 +16 55. Toledo 5-2 0.3625 -20 56. BYU 4-3 0.3340 -11 57. Iowa State 3-4 0.3241 +1 58. Texas Tech 3-3 0.2896 -24 59. Baylor 3-3 0.2748 -2 60. Appalachian State 3-3 0.2676 -21 61. Marshall 3-3 0.2387 +18 62. Miami (FL) 3-3 0.2132 -15 63. Notre Dame 3-3 0.1903 +14 64. Western Kentucky 4-3 0.1578 +17 65. SMU 3-3 0.1366 +4 66. South Carolina 4-2 0.1269 -1 67. Rutgers 3-3 0.1167 -15 68. Wisconsin 3-4 0.1114 -19 69. California 3-3 0.0856 -3 70. Houston 3-3 0.0511 +25 71. Georgia Southern 4-3 0.0311 - 72. Wyoming 4-3 -0.0122 +3 73. Boise State 4-2 -0.0248 +9 74. East Carolina 4-3 -0.0942 +13 75. Louisiana 3-3 -0.1000 Delta Team Rec Score -16 76. Michigan State 3-4 -0.1285 -4 77. Vanderbilt 3-4 -0.1781 -22 78. Arizona State 2-4 -0.1862 +7 79. Rice 3-3 -0.1988 -12 80. Southern Miss 3-3 -0.2920 -1 81. Indiana 3-4 -0.3111 -19 82. Missouri 2-4 -0.3225 +8 83. Memphis 4-3 -0.3232 -12 84. Ohio U 4-3 -0.3311 +20 85. Arizona 3-4 -0.3684 +2 86. Old Dominion 3-3 -0.3806 +14 87. San Diego State 3-3 -0.4719 +1 88. Ball State 4-3 -0.5412 -11 89. Virginia 2-4 -0.5569 -31 90. Middle Tennessee 3-4 -0.5603 +11 91. UNLV 4-3 -0.5662 -16 92. Stanford 2-4 -0.5770 - 93. Auburn 3-4 -0.5874 +2 94. Nebraska 3-4 -0.6522 +3 95. Buffalo 4-3 -0.6845 -11 96. Boston College 2-4 -0.7753 -14 97. Arkansas State 2-5 -0.8011 +16 98. Miami (OH) 3-4 -0.8033 +12 99. Florida Atlantic 3-4 -0.8103 +7 100. Army 2-4 -0.8593 Delta Team Rec Score -17 101. Fresno State 2-4 -0.8649 +6 102. Connecticut 3-5 -0.9309 +7 103. North Texas 4-3 -0.9802 -10 104. Bowling Green 3-4 -0.9990 -2 105. Louisiana Tech 2-4 -1.0295 +3 106. Tulsa 2-4 -1.0487 -15 107. Georgia State 2-4 -1.1233 -11 108. Texas State 3-4 -1.1306 -10 109. Louisiana-Monroe 2-5 -1.1488 +6 110. Kent State 2-5 -1.1589 +12 111. Central Michigan 2-5 -1.2359 +9 112. Northern Illinois 2-5 -1.2577 -9 113. Colorado 1-5 -1.3014 -14 114. Virginia Tech 2-5 -1.3266 -2 115. Eastern Michigan 4-3 -1.5084 +3 116. South Florida 1-6 -1.7826 -11 117. UTEP 3-4 -1.8043 +6 118. New Mexico 2-5 -1.9070 -2 119. Hawaii 2-5 -1.9087 -2 120. Navy 2-4 -1.9168 -6 121. Utah State 3-4 -1.9514
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Oct 18, 2022 21:28
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I am beginning to believe that Tennessee can beat Georgia and win out Someone convince me Georgia bleeding against Mizzou was a fluke and not a real show of weakness
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Oct 18, 2022 21:30
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dirty shrimp money posted:A little late but I put together a dirty shrimp poll. I'm on vacation for two weeks on Friday so no polls for a couple of weeks. By then I think we'll have a CFP poll to compare this to - Tulane not ranked. Poll invalidated. Soul Glo posted:I am beginning to believe that Tennessee can beat Georgia and win out It's a lock, bro. Heupel coach of the year Hooker wins the Heisman. Tennessee beats Bama again in the SEC title game and then again in the playoffs.
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Oct 18, 2022 21:33
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Tad SG posted:USC's game w/ Zona in 2 weeks will be their 3rd and hopefully final game on the P12 network this season. Gonna have to buy a smart fridge to be able to watch it I guess. It's a good joke but that's not the Pac-12 network, it's the Pac-12 Insider channel that's free to stream, including via Samsung's tv streaming package they throw on all their products. I think the only live games shown are volleyball and soccer maybe, otherwise you can catch old shortened games as shown here.
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Oct 18, 2022 21:34
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I think the bigger question is how much we should value a win over Alabama. Is it possible that what we watched was a game between two top-10 caliber teams but maybe not two top-5 caliber teams? Is this a Bama team that might finish 9-3?
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Oct 18, 2022 21:35
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General Dog posted:I think the bigger question is how much we should value a win over Alabama. Is it possible that what we watched was a game between two top-10 caliber teams but maybe not two top-5 caliber teams? Is this a Bama team that might finish 9-3? All the heads in Birmingham explode at 9-3.
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Oct 18, 2022 21:40
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Oct 18, 2022 21:42
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I'm just saying, if this Bama team has to scrape by Texas and Texas A&M, it's not beyond the pale that there could be 1 or two losses left on the schedule with Miss State, Ole Miss, and LSU all in front of them. Of course, maybe this is their annual galvanizing loss and they murder the rest of the schedule, that's certainly always in play as well.
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Oct 18, 2022 21:48
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If 'Bama continues to get penalties like they have been they're definitely losing at least one more game
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Oct 18, 2022 21:49
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General Dog posted:I think the bigger question is how much we should value a win over Alabama. Is it possible that what we watched was a game between two top-10 caliber teams but maybe not two top-5 caliber teams? Is this a Bama team that might finish 9-3? Tennessee is a top 5 caliber team just going by who they've played. They're 4-0 against ranked teams this year and didn't screw around with their cupcakes. Alabama though, if you take away the brand name you've got a team that barely beat their one road opponent out of conference and between a defense that isn't the usual juggernaut and all the penalties, they're making it way easier on opponents than usual. I can see them dropping a game at LSU or Ole Miss, and maybe both. A 2 game losing streak at Alabama. I think the entire state would shut down.
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Oct 18, 2022 21:57
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dirty shrimp money posted:They're 4-0 against ranked teams this year
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dirty shrimp money posted:Tennessee is a top 5 caliber team just going by who they've played. They're 4-0 against ranked teams this year and didn't screw around with their cupcakes. If we're going solely by resume so far and if you believe in polls as a strength of schedule mark it seems Tennessee should be ranked #1. There are of course good reasons not to believe in polls, but the logic figuring out how that happens and why Georgia is clearly #1 is a little twisted around 'they are Georgia, you are Tennessee.' For the record I still think Georgia is better, but I'd have a hard time arguing why.
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Oct 18, 2022 22:16
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Tennessee trashing LSU on the road is maybe more impressive than the Bama win.
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Also I feel like most Vols fans wouldn't particularly mind losing to Georgia this year, although they wouldn't like it. Since this year is just crazy already and you're probably pretty happy looking forward to the future. But Kentucky has one hell of a chance to wreck that season and make everyone really angry.
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Oct 18, 2022 22:22
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I need to play with stats again, now that we have some fun ones. I want to come up with a defensive ranking that makes Tennessee look good, and the approach I want to do is to treat a game like a bunch of overtimes: block of one possession per team and the change in score. From a football theory standpoint, I think our defense is there to get the ball back to the offense as fast as possible. Turnover is best, punt is second best, and the other team scoring is okay because now we get the ball and if we can make it a shootout that probably favors our Tennessee. Yards given up doesn't really matter, and the worst situation we can be in is a long defensive drive.
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Oct 18, 2022 22:23
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It would depend how Kentucky wins it. For example, they better have a quarterback playing quarterback.
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Oct 18, 2022 22:24
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All I want is 2007 style chaos and the same end result.
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Problem with too much week-to-week chaos is that it eventually just resets all the usual suspects to the top. Top-5 Tennessee and Ole Miss squads suffering season-end losses to Vandy and Miss State would certainly be chaotic, but if all that adds up to another Bama-Georgia SECCG, then that kind of blows.
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Oct 18, 2022 22:29
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No no no, that would be fine.
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dphi posted:Why do people keep pretending it matters where teams were ranked at the time another team played them? Nothing against Tennessee who I do believe is a top-5 team but this is a very misleading metric that can be used to make average teams look a lot better than they are. Like nobody's impressed that Washington beat an MSU team that was ranked #11 at the time. It's a tracked stat, it matters. Teams literally change week to week, why wouldn't it matter where they were ranked when they played them?!
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I need to play with stats again, now that we have some fun ones. I want to come up with a defensive ranking that makes Tennessee look good, Compare them to Arkansas’ defense
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Still mad the refs hosed us out of beating Bama 
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I don't know how many Iowa folks we have anymore, but I'm going to be in Iowa City overnight this weekend. I think I'm gonna take some time to go check out the stadium and the surrounding area, since I've never been. Does anyone know if there's like a definitive thing I should eat or do while I'm there? I'll have most of Saturday evening and Sunday morning to myself.
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General Dog posted:Problem with too much week-to-week chaos is that it eventually just resets all the usual suspects to the top. Top-5 Tennessee and Ole Miss squads suffering season-end losses to Vandy and Miss State would certainly be chaotic, but if all that adds up to another Bama-Georgia SECCG, then that kind of blows. The 2007 Dilemma
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Seaniqua posted:I don't know how many Iowa folks we have anymore, but I'm going to be in Iowa City overnight this weekend. I think I'm gonna take some time to go check out the stadium and the surrounding area, since I've never been. Does anyone know if there's like a definitive thing I should eat or do while I'm there? I'll have most of Saturday evening and Sunday morning to myself. Buddy, you gotta try the corn
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Soul Glo posted:It's a tracked stat, it matters. I feel like you only care about this because you're a Vols fan but the reason it doesn't matter is because of the bolded. I guess I would ask you, why does it matter where an opponent was ranked at the time of the game if they're no longer ranked at the end of - or even halfway through the season? If your justification is because it's a "tracked stat' (whatever that means) then lol
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PostNouveau posted:Buddy, you gotta try the corn 
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dphi posted:I feel like you only care about this because you're a Vols fan but the reason it doesn't matter is because of the bolded. I guess I would ask you, why does it matter where an opponent was ranked at the time of the game if they're no longer ranked at the end of - or even halfway through the season? If your justification is because it's a "tracked stat' (whatever that means) then lol If I had my druthers rankings would just not exist until around this week and we got plenty of time to suss out who was actually pretty good. But that's not the world we've lived in ever since the AP poll became a thing.
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Grittybeard posted:If I had my druthers rankings would just not exist until around this week and we got plenty of time to suss out who was actually pretty good. But that's not the world we've lived in ever since the AP poll became a thing. On the bright side the AP rankings become irrelevant once the CFP rankings are out
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Michigan above the bad OSU on the shrimp poll you love to see it
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I think a loss can dramatically change how a team thinks and acts to the point that it is relevant. Kyle Orton doesn't fumble in 2004 and Purdue wins the Big Ten and has an outside chance at playing for the championship, because they were #5. But they fell apart after blowing that game. Should Wisconsin not get credited for knocking off a top five team because Purdue went into complete free fall?
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dphi posted:I feel like you only care about this because you're a Vols fan but the reason it doesn't matter is because of the bolded. I guess I would ask you, why does it matter where an opponent was ranked at the time of the game if they're no longer ranked at the end of - or even halfway through the season? If your justification is because it's a "tracked stat' (whatever that means) then lol I don't even know how to respond to this Like would it be a big deal for a team to beat a full strength Georgia or Clemson or Alabama in week 2, but then all their first stringers get eaten by sharks in week 5 and they finish unranked? Like, you would go "I mean yeah, you beat them when they were hot poo poo, but then sharks ate their good players and were a bad team in November, so that win is meaningless now" This is genuinely baffling to me.
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Grittybeard posted:If I had my druthers rankings would just not exist until around this week and we got plenty of time to suss out who was actually pretty good. But that's not the world we've lived in ever since the AP poll became a thing. Yeah - truth is, ranked wins in the first half of the season are far less impressive than ranked wins in the second half of the season, and are only truly impressive based on the final polls. Sure - some teams that were good have a devastating injury to a star player that changes the course of a season, but more often its just that their reputation was based on prior year's results, lots of early season wins against cupcakes, and/or being in the SEC. I would go so far as to say ranked wins is by far the stupidest stat in college football, and is 2nd on my "makes me rant while my kids roll their eyes at me" - only behind "spotting forward progress and then bringing out the chains to measure" in terms of idiocy. Soul Glo posted:Like, you would go "I mean yeah, you beat them when they were hot poo poo, but then sharks ate their good players and were a bad team in November, so that win is meaningless now" Yeah, it was tragic how Notre Dame's starters were all eaten by sharks. Tad SG fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Oct 18, 2022 |
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Soul Glo posted:I don't even know how to respond to this I guess in that very weird situation you made up, beating a full strength elite team that then lost all their starters in a freak accident would still be impressive, I'm not sure how comparable this is to beating Florida or Pitt though. Did Jim McElwain take some kind of shark-related revenge on UF and I didn't hear about it?
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Oct 18, 2022 23:22
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Soul Glo posted:I don't even know how to respond to this On the flipside, teams are highly ranked in the early season based on vibes and stay there through attrition unless losses pile up. As someone said earlier, Michigan State was #11 when they lost handily to Washington. They were there because they were good last season and had beaten up two bad MAC teams.
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Henchman of Santa posted:On the flipside, teams are highly ranked in the early season based on vibes and stay there through attrition unless losses pile up. As someone said earlier, Michigan State was #11 when they lost handily to Washington. They were there because they were good last season and had beaten up two bad MAC teams. Yes sure, having context about early rankings is one thing, but going the completely other direction and only caring about ranked wins based upon the end of season rankings is also throwing out all context of how a season occurs. In the latter you're actually discounting those very ranked wins and losses that make the rankings themselves.
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Henchman of Santa posted:On the flipside, teams are highly ranked in the early season based on vibes and stay there through attrition unless losses pile up. As someone said earlier, Michigan State was #11 when they lost handily to Washington. They were there because they were good last season and had beaten up two bad MAC teams. And then Washington promptly turned around and lost badly to a then-unranked UCLA team that's now in the top 10.
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Soul Glo posted:Yes sure, having context about early rankings is one thing, but going the completely other direction and only caring about ranked wins based upon the end of season rankings is also throwing out all context of how a season occurs. So you are saying that context matters for both early and late season rankings - almost like the stat of "wins against ranked teams" is meaningless... Manoueverable posted:And then Washington promptly turned around and lost badly to a then-unranked UCLA team that's now in the top 10. And then they also lost to ASU in the most embarrassing of losses (until Cal managed to lose to Colorado this week). Tad SG fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Oct 18, 2022 |
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Btw I was going to actively root for Lane to beat us this year even before the Tennessee game because I hate our coordinators that much just based on the eye test and Roman emperor levels of privilege
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