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The Grumbles posted:That’s a completely legitimate game design choice for many types of video game. This is the crux of the issue. It’s not something that the studio needs sympathy and understanding for, it’s a design choice. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Oct 16, 2022 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:This is the crux of the issue. It’s not something that the studio needs sympathy and understanding for, it’s a design choice. That’s a silly way of putting it. It’s a choice that allows for a much richer variety of types of video game, so that does need understanding in the sense of not adhering to some weird dogma about video games needing to function in a certain way. Nobody’s suggesting it needs sympathy, but saying games should mandate 60 minimum on consoles is crazy and belies a lack of understanding of what goes into making a game. It would mean a much narrower diversity of games made by way fewer studios. Entire genres of game wouldn’t exist. It’s like saying all games should have voice acting, or be in 3D.
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Oct 16, 2022 15:55
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The Grumbles posted:That’s a silly way of putting it. It’s a choice that allows for a much richer variety of types of video game, so that does need understanding in the sense of not adhering to some weird dogma about video games needing to function in a certain way. Nobody’s suggesting it needs sympathy, but saying games should mandate 60 minimum on consoles is crazy and belies a lack of understanding of what goes into making a game. It would mean a much narrower diversity of games made by way fewer studios. Entire genres of game wouldn’t exist. It’s like saying all games should have voice acting, or be in 3D. Well, I'm only putting it in the terms that you used. The Batman game isn't doing anything all that special that its mere existence would be threatened by having to run at 60 FPS on consoles. Many other games from smaller, larger, and in-between studios pull it off, even for games of a similar magnitude. In the context of other Batman games, remember that Arkham Knight performed so poorly on PC that it was pulled from sale until they could patch it. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Oct 16, 2022 |
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Oct 16, 2022 16:03
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The Grumbles posted:That’s a silly way of putting it. It’s a choice that allows for a much richer variety of types of video game, so that does need understanding in the sense of not adhering to some weird dogma about video games needing to function in a certain way. Nobody’s suggesting it needs sympathy, but saying games should mandate 60 minimum on consoles is crazy and belies a lack of understanding of what goes into making a game. It would mean a much narrower diversity of games made by way fewer studios. Entire genres of game wouldn’t exist. It’s like saying all games should have voice acting, or be in 3D. I don't think most people are saying every game must be 60 though. A few are, but the ones I've seen ITT are all very much PC guys who also spend $$$$ on GPUs, so they at least have a good reason for it. OTOH, should this particular game be 30 or 60, as a design choice? Well, Batman games are timing-based action which is a pretty good reason for 60. It's a big-budget AAA game (and will be $70 plus mtx I'm sure), so that's a good reason to expect some optimization & options. It looks great but not incredible compared to the competition, for example Miles Morales which has a 60 switch. So IMO it's totally defensible for players to be grumpy over not having a 60 mode. And then a rocksteady guy on twitter is acting like getting 60FPS from a console is deep wizardry, which it just isn't. If people are grumpy about your design choices, take your lumps and move on. Saying there's no way to make this game do 60FPS makes you look kinda incompetent, because your competition does. (Also recognize that people are going to be looking for reasons to be grumpy about this game, because the last game you sold them in the franchise was crap. If you are in that situation, clapping back and antagonizing people further is a stupid move. Shut up and let the game speak for itself if it's good.)
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Oct 16, 2022 16:13
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30 fps is ok for like point and click adventure or puzzle games maybe. I don't know how the console peasants can deal with anything else at that framerate.
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Oct 16, 2022 16:15
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mobby_6kl posted:30 fps is ok for like point and click adventure or puzzle games maybe. I don't know how the console peasants can deal with anything else at that framerate. the convention has mostly shifted with the new console generation, it's the norm for games to have a 30fps/4K-ish mode and a 60fps/upscaled mode now very few PS5/XSX games only support 30fps as far as i know, so console players have become accustomed to 60fps again hell they even have 120fps in more esport-sy titles now
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Oct 16, 2022 16:19
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Can youtube detect stuff like a middle finger in a video? In the latest GN vid they pixelated Malcolm's finger when he pointed at something and I was wondering if they did it as a little joke or if youtube could potentially demonetize the video if they just left it alone.
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Oct 16, 2022 16:38
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Oct 16, 2022 16:44
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Youtube has demonetised a bunch of GN videos recently for no obvious reason so it's probably a joke related to that.
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Oct 16, 2022 16:53
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I've heard from multiple other non-tech worlds on Youtube of (speedruns, football, and  ) about weird demonetizations/review issues. I'm sure there are others. Doesn't sound like a good sign.
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Magnetic North posted:I've heard from multiple other non-tech worlds on Youtube of (speedruns, football, and YouTube is starting to classify gameplay videos of classic Doom as 18+ for too much pixelated gore.
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Oct 16, 2022 19:24
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They’re also pushing an absurdly increased amount of ads on people to get the to sign up for YouTube Premium. I saw a few people say they were getting ad blocks every four minutes on a gaming podcast.
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Oct 16, 2022 19:31
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Tiny Timbs posted:In the context of other Batman games, remember that Arkham Knight performed so poorly on PC that it was pulled from sale until they could patch it. They didn't even really patch it, either. They just rereleased the same broken version once the controversy had died down. Fortunately a community member figured out the issue and wrote their own patch. It turned out that either they had no texture caching or it was completely broken, and shimming a cache in plus a few other tweaks pretty much fixed the issue.
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Oct 16, 2022 20:23
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Yeah I didn’t actually get to play it until I bought at 1080 Ti and could brute force through the lingering performance issues and stutters. That walkthrough of the custom patch is really interesting. It reminds me of when somebody figured out why GTA V would take entire minutes to load and it was a similar case of really basic optimization not being done.
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Oct 16, 2022 23:16
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edit: wrong thread lol though there's no brute forcing through Arkham Knight for a number of reasons, so I don't know how the poster above managed to get a smooth experience. people with 12900Ks and 3090s will still stutter and struggle in some spots. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Oct 16, 2022 |
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Oct 16, 2022 23:24
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The stars aligned with the particular set of hardware I had updated to. I must have tried that game a dozen times before then to see if it would be playable that day.
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Mr.Radar posted:They didn't even really patch it, either. They just rereleased the same broken version once the controversy had died down. Fortunately a community member figured out the issue and wrote their own patch. It turned out that either they had no texture caching or it was completely broken, and shimming a cache in plus a few other tweaks pretty much fixed the issue. I believe someone also said that there was silliness with parts of the engine pretty much relying on the speed (or lack thereof) of a ps4/xbone hdd to throttle certain processes that let loose on a system with a SATA SSD, or even worse NVME would effectively drown in data.
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Let's hope that Iron Galaxy has at least learned what a texture pool is now for their upcoming Uncharted 4 PC port.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Let's hope that Iron Galaxy has at least learned what a texture pool is now for their upcoming Uncharted 4 PC port. That port has been verified for the Steam Deck so I'd hope so. Iron Galaxy have also been behind some extremely good Switch ports so I'm not willing to pin all of Arkham's problems on them.
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Arivia posted:YouTube is starting to classify gameplay videos of classic Doom as 18+ for too much pixelated gore. it's very funny that tech videos have swearing bleeped but footage of Doom Eternal's demons getting high-speed mulched.
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njsykora posted:I also enjoy people saying JTC is a dumbass. His videos doing custom loop stuff are great, he’s pretty bad when it comes to the technical side of anything.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Let's hope that Iron Galaxy has at least learned what a texture pool is now for their upcoming Uncharted 4 PC port. Was "Iron Galaxy" the name on the box? I must have missed that. Maybe iron galaxy are a bunch of idiots who don't even know what a texture is. Maybe they're totally competent but were given 30 days, a half-broken build, and zero budget to put real engineers on the project. You don't know, and I don't know. But I do know that putting blame anywhere other than the company who sold the thing is stupid.
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Klyith posted:Was "Iron Galaxy" the name on the box? I must have missed that. Iron Galaxy's name was on the box*, yes (okay, steam page). We know at least a little bit about what happened, and we also know that it was pulled from Steam and they spent months trying and failing to fix it while overlooking the most basic AAA PC development practices, something that took a single modder a couple weeks to fix in their spare time. I'm not going to blame any specific individuals for Arkham Knight's PC port, but Iron Galaxy as a company should certainly share a lot of the blame there.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Iron Galaxy's name was on the box*, yes (okay, steam page). We know at least a little bit about what happened, and we also know that it was pulled from Steam and they spent months trying and failing to fix it while overlooking the most basic AAA PC development practices, something that took a single modder a couple weeks to fix in their spare time. I'm not going to blame any specific individuals for Arkham Knight's PC port, but Iron Galaxy as a company should certainly share a lot of the blame there. Iron Galaxy are an extremely well regarded porting house who did a lot of excellent work before Arkham and have done excellent work since, I'm not gonna say they were ignoring the basics of game dev when I don't even know what their dev enviroment looked like because a modder was able to hack together some fixes.
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Klyith posted:Was "Iron Galaxy" the name on the box? I must have missed that. It can be true that a publisher should not have put out a mess of a port and also that the porting studio are fuckups and worth being wary of. A lot of the time it's really both. Developers gently caress up priorities, miss obvious things, etc, and then publishers don't want to spend the money post-release to fix it.
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the previous batman pc ports (also by iron galaxy) were buggy too, just not as disastrously so as arkham knight there were also stories about warner bros management just not caring about the pc port at all - they reportedly only gave the pc port a fraction of the qa resources of the console versions, knew it was launching broken & didn't care, and there was also bizarre stuff about only testing the game at 720p
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lih posted:the previous batman pc ports (also by iron galaxy) were buggy too, just not as disastrously so as arkham knight Arkham Asylum worked perfectly for me on my crappy laptop, never had any issues.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hsYsc8dCg I'm not convinced that there is any actual reason to shove a gaming PC into a 1U case but I am here for it
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Mac Address was the best thing about the LTT media empire but they've gone completely silent for like a month it seems - even though there have been big apple launches in the interim. Did Linus pull the plug?
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The Grumbles posted:Mac Address was the best thing about the LTT media empire but they've gone completely silent for like a month it seems - even though there have been big apple launches in the interim. Did Linus pull the plug? Still going, Horst might be on vacation (there was a YouTube short two weeks ago) and they’re hiring another dedicated writer https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/y43sjn/so_whats_going_on_with_mac_address_is_it_dead/
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I wonder how expensive that spinoff was, does anyone have any educated guesses for youtube studios? They're all incredibly unique and I'm shooting in the dark Budget - equipment is amortized with studio - I'm assuming they didn't buy a whole new red or whatever just to film each new show, but something goes on the books, 5k? logos/graphic design - they have these guys in house the host - probably also works as a script writer for other shows on LTT, gets paid prolly 40~50k? I am cockeyed on salaries in Vancouver. Probably paid more if also an editor? buying products - they buy everything for the sake of impartiality? - let's say 50k a year apple viewers also juicy customers to sell to and are usually more affluent, seems like it would be wise to keep a program for them to watch to siphon off of them e- I don't watch much LTT or wan show so I don't know if they've discussed their operating budget or anything on stream or on an episode, I wouldn't be surprised if when they launched these new programs if Linus literally went through the line items one by one and told us how much it costs, while also revealing the salary of the guy they hired to host forest spirit fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Oct 18, 2022 |
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forest spirit posted:I wonder how expensive that spinoff was, does anyone have any educated guesses for youtube studios? They're all incredibly unique and I'm shooting in the dark Pretty sure LTT pay retail for all Apple products they use simply because they aren't an approved media outlet. The knock on effect is that their coverage comes out later than approved outlets who get earlier access and benefit from more reviews during the initial hype. Apple content that is time sensitive, like new product releases, just isn't that big of a money spinner for LMG so it's understandable they don't prioritise that kind of content if they can let Alex spend $100 at Home Depot to jank the poo poo out of some hardware they already have.
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Apple is also a bad company to make weekly videos for since there’s usually only 3-4 times a year when there’s actually new things to talk about. Max Address whenever I looked at it just seemed to be a lot of filler “Apple doesn’t want you to know this!” kind of stuff that other YouTubers have been doing for longer. Also they do Apple product reviews on the main LTT channel and Short Circuit so Max Address felt kind of pointless.
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Charles Leclerc posted:Pretty sure LTT pay retail for all Apple products they use simply because they aren't an approved media outlet. The knock on effect is that their coverage comes out later than approved outlets who get earlier access and benefit from more reviews during the initial hype. Apple content that is time sensitive, like new product releases, just isn't that big of a money spinner for LMG so it's understandable they don't prioritise that kind of content if they can let Alex spend $100 at Home Depot to jank the poo poo out of some hardware they already have. It looks like they get their phones, earbuds, watches, and some of the laptops from DBrand. They sponsor the spot, and show off their latest skin for the newest whatever. The actual computers, those they buy.
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forest spirit posted:the host - probably also works as a script writer for other shows on LTT, gets paid prolly 40~50k? I am cockeyed on salaries in Vancouver. Probably paid more if also an editor? Not sure if you mean the equivalent of 40k-50k USD because 40k CAD doesn't cover much more than rent in Vancouver. Then again it would explain a lot of what we've seen on Intel Tech Upgrades.
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CordlessPen posted:Then again it would explain a lot of what we've seen on Intel Tech Upgrades.
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Anthony's the saddest case but I seem to remember a lot of mom's basement and roommates. Not to say roommates are bad or anything but I wouldn't expect someone who helped Linus become a literal millionaire to need one.
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Some people like having roommates because they like having someone around and not for financial reason too….
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Most had pretty OK places, just a bit cramped. Alex, Riley & James had legitimately nice homes, as did Mark and Brandon. I think the places tend to look a bit bad because these are young nerds, not because they're broke. Jake and Anthony seemed to live with friends or family, but there's no way they're not able to afford anything better. Jake has that ridiculous car, and I assume Anthony spends his money on fursuits or zoo trips.
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GN is back with more of the best youtuber merch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5Lo9n4Ul8
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