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hmmm I feel like we can just say the manga that just introduced two star wars-themed racist massacres(?) In the same chapter as it depicts victims of that violence as a ravening faceless horde led by a mindless ogre, held back from harming innocents only by the heroic riot cops and their taser shields, is not thoughtfully and even-handedly tackling the sensitive subjects it is clumsily raising, irrespective of whatever real-world context it is meant to invoke.
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horikoshi invented a racial minority of people who look completely unique so it's honestly pretty hilarious that this mob consists of identical looking black silhouettes all with equally blank, empty eyes e: oh they're spinner masks lmao well that's one way to solve the issue of wanting to draw a visual parallel between the racist mob at the start and spinner's followers Valentin fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Oct 24, 2022 17:31
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Valentin posted:hmmm I feel like we can just say the manga that just introduced two star wars-themed racist massacres(?) In the same chapter as it depicts victims of that violence as a ravening faceless horde led by a mindless ogre, held back from harming innocents only by the heroic riot cops and their taser shields, is not doing a good job thoughtfully handling the sensitive subjects it is clumsily raising, irrespective of whatever real-world context it is meant to invoke. Except a lot of discourse and speculation about this manga for half a decade was tied to hoping this manga would tackle prejudices and failed utopias instead of lazily propping them up.
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I mean I think you can tack "and that is a disappointment given the preceding 300 chapters" onto most complaints in this thread at this point and it'll be true. beyond that though, given that this is literally a series about members of a superpowered genetic majority training to become instruments of the criminal justice system, in which an early villain claims that heroes are immoral gloryseekers only in it for wealth and power only to be answered with "most heroes are good actually", I would suggest that while horikoshi's politics here do indeed seem to suck, they are nonetheless perfectly in line with his previous answers to the moral and ethical questions he has raised. e: given what we've seen depicted of MHA's society I think it would've been way more fun to have a riot of the quirkless, but given this whole storyline I think it's clear horikoshi's more interested in the aesthetics of difference more than dynamics of power. (my case for a quirkless movement: our initially quirkless hero is bullied and told to kill himself, endeavor's doing insane abusive eugenics for the sake of stronger quirks, people sell their souls to the supervillain devil for stronger quirks, people with "evil" quirks are also discriminated against per shinso, there's a quirk destroying bullet now, the ingredients are all there for someone to say "you know what, no more mutants" and pay off those threads instead of this being AFO vs OFA round five million, but I think it's pretty clear Hori isn't actually interested in that stuff) Valentin fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Oct 24, 2022 18:01
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having a riot of the quirkless would mean he'd actually have to address the fundamental issue at the heart of the series where deku was essentially handed power for no reason. i mean the justification is that he showed courage but the series is very much not written with the idea that true heroism is rare or that deku was already more heroic than most of the real heroes.
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Valentin posted:e: given what we've seen depicted of MHA's society I think it would've been way more fun to have a riot of the quirkless, but given this whole storyline I think it's clear horikoshi's more interested in the aesthetics of difference more than dynamics of power. That's just gonna lead to repeating the flaws of Korra Season 1 if they're supposed to be the bad guys.
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One of the problems with the last few arcs is that it's shown there are plenty of heroes that are willing to die or be maimed to protect others which clashes strongly with the whole setup intitially that Deku acting selflessly to save Bakugao was out of the norm and that heroes are rarely more than glorified private security with publicists.
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Eggplant Squire posted:One of the problems with the last few arcs is that it's shown there are plenty of heroes that are willing to die or be maimed to protect others which clashes strongly with the whole setup intitially that Deku acting selflessly tonsage Bakugao was out of the norm and that heroes are rarely more than glorified private security. And everyone in deku's class and 1-b are basically fundamentally heroic, except maybe bakugou but even he got immediately downplayed. Delphisage posted:That's just gonna lead to repeating the flaws of Korra Season 1 if they're supposed to be the bad guys.
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Delphisage posted:That's just gonna lead to repeating the flaws of Korra Season 1 if they're supposed to be the bad guys. you can depict antagonists, even violent ones, with a sympathetic eye and even hand, exploring both the legitimacy of their grievances and the reasons your protagonists cannot agree with their preferred methods or aims. horikoshi usually doesn't have much interest in it, but you can. but the point is such a story will never happen anyways; horikoshi isn't interested in acknowledging or exploring how power actually works in his setting or what the stated discrimination actually entails, he just wanted an easy reason for superman to feel like an underdog instead of, you know, superman. e: one route to not doing Korra s1 is to make the movement real and legitimate instead of a fake movement astroturfed by a single member of the superpowered elite. Of course, "it was secretly caused by a single member of the superpowered elite" is hori's favorite explanation for things being wrong in society, so I agree he would likely have replicated the same issues. Valentin fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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It seems like All Might just respects Deku's self-destructive hero tendencies rather than his courage; they both just have a tendency to conflate the two.
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A lot of heroes *were* just in it for the show. There is a series of explicit story beats where tons of pros quit after the big war because they couldn't or didn't want to go on when they weren't doing it for likes or the destruction and carnage they had to respond to was too gnarly.
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Fabricated posted:A lot of heroes *were* just in it for the show. There is a series of explicit story beats where tons of pros quit after the big war because they couldn't or didn't want to go on when they weren't doing it for likes or the destruction and carnage they had to respond to was too gnarly. And yet basically anyone with a speaking role in the comic who is a hero isn't one of those so the point feels completely deflated by the rest of the story. Again, yes the story said the words once so this plot point is not out of nowhere but no the story didn't actually give it any real focus for any of this to feel earned or well rounded.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:And yet basically anyone with a speaking role in the comic who is a hero isn't one of those so the point feels completely deflated by the rest of the story.
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frankly, quitting when you think you can't keep up or its getting too hot for you, when the job involves saving people's lives and having them trust you to save them, feels like a mature and responsible decision and basically the opposite of only being in it for yourself.
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Fabricated posted:You get monologues from some of the people who quit, including a guy who is present on a semi regular basis from the first chapter of the series A guy who was a background note not someone with any real character development or screentime compared to the entire actual cast of the story. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Endorph posted:frankly, quitting when you think you can't keep up or its getting too hot for you, when the job involves saving people's lives and having them trust you to save them, feels like a mature and responsible decision and basically the opposite of only being in it for yourself. I feel like the series leaned into hero-ing being just another job early on and has been trying to backstep from that position ever since with stuff like Stain and the updated Uraraka motivation so she's no longer just in it for the money. It's much less interesting.
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Endorph posted:frankly, quitting when you think you can't keep up or its getting too hot for you, when the job involves saving people's lives and having them trust you to save them, feels like a mature and responsible decision and basically the opposite of only being in it for yourself. It's handled more like "I didn't sign up for this!".
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Fabricated posted:You get monologues from some of the people who quit, including a guy who is present on a semi regular basis from the first chapter of the series While it is definitely true that Death Arms technically existed since the first chapter of the series, it's a pretty enormous stretch to imply that he was present on a semi-regular basis. He shows up a barely double digit amount of times in the entire series and a lot of those appearances are flashbacks. He's not anything approaching an actual character. All of the other prominent retirees are also nobodies and literally whos. It would hit a little bit harder if any of the retirees were characters who had had actual dialogue and interactions with the main cast like Mount Lady or Jeanist. Hell, Jeanist even had a plausible reason to do so when he got ripped up. Instead we are generally shown that the majority of heroes we've spent time with are actually suicidally brave to the death. Kanos fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Fabricated posted:Actual EMTs and the like aren't highly paid and famous people who do lucrative merch deals on the side and get special consideration under the law, which is what the gig is in this case
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If Mt. Lady bailed we’d miss out on her getting some of the best character development a hero’s gotten in this series
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I think the endpoint Horikoshi is going to go with is that there were a lot of bonafide heroes like most of the top 10 and the teachers at UA, but there were also a lot of glory hounds like Mt Lady, Death Arms and the samurai guy from the top 10. The war caused most of the unheroic heroes to quit (or die), but it also caused people like Mt Lady to rise to the occasion and discover their heroic spirit. The Hero industry (blergh) had clearly become complacent and overly commercialised without real challenges and this conflict is likely going to end up ironically revitalising and reforming it. studio mujahideen posted:Also in 2020 there were big protests against police racism in multiple cities in Japan, based around a case involving a kurdish man who was abused by cops. there's really no need to think about this in terms of american protests/movements, other countries also have these things! See, this is actually a very interesting example because it perfectly shows why you can't just assume parallels to American protests. Looking into it, these protests were entirely peaceful and even though it was a protest against police discrimination, it seems in general they actually worked with the police to keep it that way: "carefully chauffeured by a heavy police presence and headed by a police van with police officers holding loudspeakers directing traffic and pedestrians." X There were also some protests last month against Shinzo Abe getting a state funeral but they were similarly peaceful (except one man who set himself on fire). Compared to America, it looks like Japan just doesn't have modern examples of violent protests with rampant police brutality so there isn't the same context where this chapter's depiction would seem problematic. Remember that Japan has an over 99.8% conviction rate, they implicitly trust their police. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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i get what you mean and agree but (except one man who set himself on fire) is an incredibly funny aside
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Delphisage posted:Except a lot of discourse and speculation about this manga for half a decade was tied to hoping this manga would tackle prejudices and failed utopias instead of lazily propping them up. There's a world of a difference between having ideas and actually following through on them, it turns out.
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imo I think the anime is moving along nicely. It’s getting to the fun stuff quickly. I reread the war arc and that’s the last time I think that the plot was coherent and had some depth to it as opposed to just being a list of plot points. Deku leaving UA really could have been the end of the current manga as a set up for some kind of time skip. AFO being able to bullshit his way through Tartarus with control of Shiggy’s body was kind of stupid and in hindsight was when AFO and Shiggy’s power creep got out of control. There’s some form of the story where Shiggy and AFO have to go on life support for an extended period of time because the doctor is out of commission which gives the post-war arc some time to breathe and explore the end of hero society in some more detail.
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Kaliedoscope posted:There's a world of a difference between having ideas and actually following through on them, it turns out. In evaluating the quality of the actual product, absolutely. But in attracting a fanbase and an active speculation community, it's enough to just introduce ideas even if there's no intention to use them beyond character backstories or motivational handwaves. So seeing the work they're all dedicated to completely jettison or cop out of a resolution to the ideas that've kept people interested is going to cause backlash. On a related note, anyone remember that mantis-man in Vigilantes who got treated as a joke when he was raising concerns about how people like him have to live? Delphisage fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Minor detail from the newest chapter: Shigaraki is a League of Legends player, but he only does soloq.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Minor detail from the newest chapter: Shigaraki is a League of Legends player, but he only does soloq. No wonder he hates the world.
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I haven't played DOTA 2 since I left college. Mostly because my current internet shits the bed at five minute intervals and makes it pretty much impossible to do online games.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Minor detail from the newest chapter: Shigaraki is a League of Legends player, but he only does soloq. Also looking forward to all the sturm und drang about Horikoshi basically being a milquetoast liberal by US standards Fabricated fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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Prowler posted:He takes, perhaps the last interesting story element with nuance and dunked it in the toilet. I was so excited to see Spinner leading a group of ideologically motivated people. At least he has his knife sword back?
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Mystic Mongol posted:I was so excited to see Spinner leading a group of ideologically motivated people. Shame it looks completely indistinguishable from the rest of Spinner now.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Minor detail from the newest chapter: Shigaraki is a League of Legends player, but he only does soloq. This is where Midoriya decides not everyone can be saved.
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https://onepiecechapters.com/chapters/4709/my-hero-academia-chapter-371
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All this backstory-sharing between 1-A honestly should've been its own sub-arc during or after the School Festival, not something done in a flashback. I would've loved to see something like that for Shoji, Ojiro, Kaminari and Aoyama. Having it done as backplot just makes it come off as desperate. Also man is this whole affair a mess. Spinner's completely lost his character and is now a giant faceless monster made of spikes, like a poor man's Gigantomachia. And somehow this is going to be solved by Shoji also mutating into a monster and punching harder to solve racism. Delphisage fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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I again would like to point out the absurdity of 15,000 people rallying behind a literal drooling imbecile.
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I wish we saw more of this before we got to this point of the story. I dont know if it would have been handled better but it would have been nicer to have a proper build up to this particular fight.
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Shoji is such a loving pick me it's unreal. He's a chapter away from giving everyone in 1-A a heteromorph pass.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I again would like to point out the absurdity of 15,000 people rallying behind a literal drooling imbecile. Yeah, seems low.
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Shinjobi posted:I wish we saw more of this before we got to this point of the story. Koda in particular has been almost non-existent of a presence. SpacePig posted:Yeah, seems low. 
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