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what dlc is everyone looking forward to? i am excited for the currency DLC. it will add in a coin/bill designer with a dog icon as one of the options so crypto people can put in doge coin into the game.
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Pylons posted:The review embargo is up. Seems like largely positive scores. Yeah seems very positive. OPB was talking about how much he loves the game on stream too, basically saying the underlying systems are amazing and all that's really missing is more polish. Specifically warfare can feel very good, but also can be a bit finnicky. And addressed some of the difficulty concerns by going well of course he can break it over his knee personally, but he knows many content creators who fail a lot and that he would challenge people to try to recreate his meme video legitimately. I'm so excited for tomorrow. Snooze Cruise posted:what dlc is everyone looking forward to? i am excited for the currency DLC. it will add in a coin/bill designer with a dog icon as one of the options so crypto people can put in doge coin into the game. I want some kind of International Company/Organization DLC.
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Oct 24, 2022 18:03
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Watching the first Paradox tutorial video and they talk about nations having specific obsessions/taboos and the Chinese obsession is opium... I understand what they are getting at but it seems at best ham fisted.
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Oct 24, 2022 18:07
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Hellioning posted:I think we should wait til the game is out before deciding if the new war system is good or bad. you can say “this doesn’t sound fun” before buying a game. strange post. (that said the war system in eu4 sucked a lot so new one seems good and leakers have told me it’s fine so)
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Popete posted:Watching the first Paradox tutorial video and they talk about nations having specific obsessions/taboos and the Chinese obsession is opium... It's a little more nuanced than 'China always loves opium'. This dev diary covers our opium wars content: https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/victoria-3/news/dev-diary-40-opium-wars
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Oct 24, 2022 18:12
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AnEdgelord posted:Personnally Im glad that the current war system takes the emphasis off 1000 apm sick plays and on the economy in the economy sim GSG. Even the big war in this era (WW1) was famously where maneuvering troops was pointless and it was all about trying to grind your enemies down with attrition and the strength of your economy determined how much attrition you could take. i would imagine that ww1 is basically the primary reason that this war system was adopted, and it simply works well enough for most other wars for it to be the primary war system. v2 always had this weird tension between the start of the period, where eu4-like combat still sort of made sense, and the end of the period, where frontage was enormous and it makes no sense to represent an army as a point standing in one province. you can't have eu4 combat because of the end of the period, you can't really do hoi4 combat because of the start of the period, so v3 needed a mechanic that could straddle the line and represent both; that it ties so thoroughly into the economic sim is both a logical extension of v2 and thoroughly in line with the focus of the game
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I am reserving judgement on warfare until I play it, like a sensible person. Indervidual army mashing makes sense for the early period of Vicky (late Napoleonic warfare is basically peak EU4 - bunch of allied stacks hanging around together then piling into a bloodbath) but is a terrible representation of WW1 and later conflicts. Some kind of frontal system has to be better for that, but how does it feel? I'll find out tomorrow!
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Just starting this- it sounds like Wiz calls Americans Jankies, which seems like a very amusing overcompensation for the yump drive Stellaris stream.
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two sicilies challenge looking hype but a friend reminded me yesterday that pretty borders may be very difficult due to borders in Croatia. Little do they know that I simply plan to conquer all of Greater Greece.  winning even before we play…
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Eiba posted:Just starting this- it sounds like Wiz calls Americans Jankies, which seems like a very amusing overcompensation for the yump drive Stellaris stream. really did post a confused “yankees” before panickedly realizing the joke and erasing it lmao
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Eiba posted:Just starting this- it sounds like Wiz calls Americans Jankies, which seems like a very amusing overcompensation for the yump drive Stellaris stream. To be fair, The US is nothing if not full of jank.
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Ardryn posted:To be fair, The US is nothing if not full of jank. Sir, have you see the Tsar’s logistics?
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Wiz posted:It's a little more nuanced than 'China always loves opium'. This dev diary covers our opium wars content: https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/victoria-3/news/dev-diary-40-opium-wars Ah I see I'm interested to see how that plays out in the events. The guy narrating the video just mentioned it as an example in a weird way like "isn't this funny"? Hopefully the game handles it better than that.
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:I explain an idea that I think would help the current system, one where armies exist on the map. By this I would mean like 120k troops assigned to a general, in lower egypt and 20k are represented in a eastern province, 20k in a central province, and 80k on a coastal province... Maybe my explanation sucks because I'm posting at work lol. That’s…essentially the front system? You assign generals who command different amounts of troops to each front, assigning better generals with more troops to whichever front you consider a priority? The only real difference between what exists and what you suggest is essentially one of granularity since fronts are pretty wide compared to provinces, but if you get to the point where you’re manually assigning troops to provinces you’ll basically end up with the worst of both worlds, with the annoying micro of the old system married to the lack of fine movement control of the new. Unless you’re arguing that the generals should automatically assign troops to provinces, but I’m not sure what real purpose that serves over the existing system of battle generation given that all it would do is cause players used to the old system to froth in rage as they see the AI doing things they wouldn’t - see eg the reaction to almost all Paradox automation to date. The idea of changing the war system via DLC being “obvious” is just plain bizarre to me. It really isn’t, certainly not to me? It really feels like there’s some very different prior assumptions at play here causing a bunch of arguing at right angles.
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Acoup has his first impression of the game out, in case you like words: https://acoup.blog/2022/10/24/misce...rst-impressions Game is good according to him.
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I mean I think they'll work on and improve the war system over time. I don't know if there'll be a war DLC, but I feel like getting on map visuals for the troops has to be on the roadmap somewhere so that they can sell nation specific troop graphics as dlc like the other games.
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i hope in the paradox game after this one they make a big show of war mechanics being more present and then they reveal that the new system is a slay the spire style card battler
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Tomn posted:That’s…essentially the front system? You assign generals who command different amounts of troops to each front, assigning better generals with more troops to whichever front you consider a priority? The only real difference between what exists and what you suggest is essentially one of granularity since fronts are pretty wide compared to provinces, but if you get to the point where you’re manually assigning troops to provinces you’ll basically end up with the worst of both worlds, with the annoying micro of the old system married to the lack of fine movement control of the new. Unless you’re arguing that the generals should automatically assign troops to provinces, but I’m not sure what real purpose that serves over the existing system of battle generation given that all it would do is cause players used to the old system to froth in rage as they see the AI doing things they wouldn’t - see eg the reaction to almost all Paradox automation to date. Look I’m not saying I want granular control of sprites. Imagine hoi4 but you’re not clicking on sprites, and still assigning armies to player or ai drawn battle plans, assigning the concentration of where your troops are on the front….. I’m also not saying I’ve got all the answers, but I think some compromise is definitely possible.
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:Look I’m not saying I want granular control of sprites. Imagine hoi4 but you’re not clicking on sprites, and still assigning armies to player or ai drawn battle plans, assigning the concentration of where your troops are on the front….. I’m also not saying I’ve got all the answers, but I think some compromise is definitely possible. The only thing that I think the system clearly requires is some way to manually split fronts because the current system of "front = border" will obviously produce some very very silly results. But I can understand why they've held off from doing that in the initial release.
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I mean, there definitely seems to be room to expand on warfare in the future. Be it via additional orders besides “push” and “don’t push”, or maybe letting you optionally set strategic targets. Like for instance, I remember someone pointing out earlier in the thread that there’s not enough granularity in the current system to replicate a lot of the big-picture strategic decisions in the American Civil War that people like Lincoln would be involved in.
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:Look I’m not saying I want granular control of sprites. Imagine hoi4 but you’re not clicking on sprites, and still assigning armies to player or ai drawn battle plans, assigning the concentration of where your troops are on the front….. I’m also not saying I’ve got all the answers, but I think some compromise is definitely possible. What, specifically, is a perceived benefit to this change from the current fronts and deployment model? To me, this sounds like "I want to be able to make decisions in the war, because I think I would do a better job than the computer." And given how most people can eventually win a game of HOI4, that's likely true. But why is the ability for the player to wring additional power out of the same amount of troops and equipment a benefit to the game?
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Jazerus posted:i would imagine that ww1 is basically the primary reason that this war system was adopted, and it simply works well enough for most other wars for it to be the primary war system. v2 always had this weird tension between the start of the period, where eu4-like combat still sort of made sense, and the end of the period, where frontage was enormous and it makes no sense to represent an army as a point standing in one province. you can't have eu4 combat because of the end of the period, you can't really do hoi4 combat because of the start of the period, so v3 needed a mechanic that could straddle the line and represent both; that it ties so thoroughly into the economic sim is both a logical extension of v2 and thoroughly in line with the focus of the game It worked fine in Vicky II, you just had fronts composed of division-esque armies because your population, your ability to mobilize them, and the combat mechanics themselves enabled a different disposition. It was one of the few unambiguous successes of that game, it happened to be let down by horrific UI. The reason its different now is purely game design. V3 is supposedly about fighting internal politics and the domestic economy, less about manhandling the AI in wars. Adding meaningless graphics to the war overlay is perfectly reasonable imo
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mst4k posted:Really hope I can reform Gran Columbia and become an arms manufacturing powerhouse Considering Gran Colombia collapsed only 5 years before the game started, that should be fairly easy. You'd also making what is probably the world record of reforming a broken nation. 
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:It worked fine in Vicky II, you just had fronts composed of division-esque armies because your population, your ability to mobilize them, and the combat mechanics themselves enabled a different disposition. It was one of the few unambiguous successes of that game, it happened to be let down by horrific UI. I always thought most of the warfare was alot of busy work in v2 like there was potential for interesting systems but they were either undeveloped or bugged like the battleplan editor.
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The battle plan editor in V2 was purely for communicating with teammates right? It didn't actually do anything?
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VostokProgram posted:I wonder if Pakistan is a formable tag Almost certainly. I'm disappointed in the names of a lot of the formables. They should have mined real history for bizarre state entities instead of making Papal States -formed Italy the "Kingdom of Heaven". And the Austrians should NOT be forming the HRE, that's completely absurd Lawman 0 posted:I always thought most of the warfare was alot of busy work in v2 like there was potential for interesting systems but they were either undeveloped or bugged like the battleplan editor. The UI is unspeakably bad, the war model is somewhat sophisticated and the best thing it does is make your warring shift in nature and strategy according to changing technological developments. For example, there's a stretch of time from 1870-1900 where defensive technology outstrips offensive tech, and it drives most modernized countries to go bully Africa and Asia instead of fighting their peers.
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VostokProgram posted:The battle plan editor in V2 was purely for communicating with teammates right? It didn't actually do anything? It was for crashing the game in MP
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Capfalcon posted:But why is the ability for the player to wring additional power out of the same amount of troops and equipment a benefit to the game? For some people, that's the appeal of a historical game like this. They want to have the fantasy of being the better commander who wins against all odds as the underdog. And there's nothing wrong with that. Other people, like myself, prefer to have the fantasy of creating a better economy and run a country to be more prosperous. Because I'm a fan of the latter more than the former, I prefer to have battles won or lost by the strength of logistics and economy rather than by strategic prowess. This also has the advantage of allowing the AI to compete better in the military front, although it will inevitably still have some things that it will do worse than the player does, and the player will inevitably snowball their economy into the stratosphere.
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Early reviews put it at 84% on Metacritic, which is higher than Stellaris and HoI4 but lower than EU4 and CK3. Game... good?
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Mantis42 posted:Early reviews put it at 84% on Metacritic, which is higher than Stellaris and HoI4 but lower than EU4 and CK3. Game... good? Wargamers be malding, glad I preordered 
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Almost certainly. HRE isn't an actual tag in the game as far as I know. The meme stream was to form an "HRE like", there wasn't an actual tag for them to form. Mantis42 posted:Early reviews put it at 84% on Metacritic, which is higher than Stellaris and HoI4 but lower than EU4 and CK3. Game... good? There are only two reviews below 80 and one of them complains about how many moving parts the game has while at the same time talking about how much they hate that warfare was streamlined without a hint of irony. The other one seems to be marking it down solely because Paradox abandoned Imperator I guess? Edit: Victoria is always going to be more of a niche than EU or CK so I'll take those scores as really good anyway tbh. Imagine going back in time and telling fans that Vicky 3 was real, let alone that it was actually a good game. Unbelievable. Zeron fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:It was for crashing the game in MP I'm extremely to excited to find brand new gamebreaking bugs this weekend imo.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:It was for crashing the game in MP DO NOT: + type in the box + open the newspaper + user the battleplanner + join the game before the host says game is up DO: + Close to desktop + delete your map cache + shut up when the host is speaking.
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Game looks very good and fun. Can’t wait to start gardening tomorrow. Congrats Wiz, Ofaloaf and any devs that browse/post here. Seems like you made a really cool game.
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Anno posted:Game looks very good and fun. Can’t wait to start gardening tomorrow.
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Snooze Cruise posted:what dlc is everyone looking forward to? i am excited for the currency DLC. it will add in a coin/bill designer with a dog icon as one of the options so crypto people can put in doge coin into the game. I want art and museums, give me a bunch of public domain jpgs of old paintings, and let me spend all my money financing expeditions to collect little 3D models of bronze-age statues that I can spin around in a nice catalogue menu.
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