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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

what does a vote of no confidence in france mean? if the assembly falls, will new elections be unlinked from the presidential elections from now on? right now they're usually within a couple months of each other

i guess it would take a new majority to dissolve the assembly under their own will to coincide with the next presidential elections, but only if they want to?

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Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

i say swears online posted:

what does a vote of no confidence in france mean? if the assembly falls, will new elections be unlinked from the presidential elections from now on? right now they're usually within a couple months of each other

i guess it would take a new majority to dissolve the assembly under their own will to coincide with the next presidential elections, but only if they want to?
Yeah, it mostly means the president will suggest a new prime minister and hope that enough people in the opposition vote for them. He may try another election by dissolving parliament but LOL. It will be closer to Russian roulette than a good idea. And Le Pen hopes he will do it.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

so macron would have to call for new elections, not a vote of no confidence from the opposition? what's the point of a VONC then?

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

i say swears online posted:

so macron would have to call for new elections, not a vote of no confidence from the opposition? what's the point of a VONC then?
If he wants the country to have a government, yes. The VONC is about removing his current prime minister and if after that he fails to find a new one (who the parliament accepts), force in to call for a new parliament. But who cares, RN didn't vote "no confidence", so the prime minister is still there.
e: or you know he could believe himself to be the king of Belgium and not have a government for a few years.

Toplowtech has issued a correction as of 11:02 on Oct 25, 2022

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
You mean LR didn't vote, the RN ended up doing it after all.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Kassad posted:

You mean LR didn't vote, the RN ended up doing it after all.
My bad, let me clarify that boring part of parliamentary procedure: there were at first one, then two, then three different censorship motions put on the same 49.3 by the presidency over the law proposed by the government,
First motion was yesterday:
NR did vote for the first NUPES one(239 on 289 needed): NR+NUPES votes:
Today:
The second one, the RN one only got 90 votes of their votes (no NUPES)
Then the third motion was put by the leftwing again and RN didn't vote for it. <- i only saw the results of the third one so yeah, you are right, LR is kinda the decisive factor.

That's btw four "motions de censure" in four months.

Toplowtech has issued a correction as of 13:54 on Oct 25, 2022

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

thanks. what's the significance of the origination point of a VONC? seems very high school clique-y

also kinda surprised LR isn't champing at the bit for new elections since the last was horrific for them; I assume internal polling still has them in the dumps and they didn't want to risk it

is gaullism dead in france or have le pen and macron both tried to usurp that mantle?

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

i say swears online posted:

thanks. what's the significance of the origination point of a VONC? seems very high school clique-y

It's a figleaf of parliamentarian control over the executive, which under the current constitution has unprecedented power.

i say swears online posted:

also kinda surprised LR isn't champing at the bit for new elections since the last was horrific for them; I assume internal polling still has them in the dumps and they didn't want to risk it

They're the closest party to Macron ideologically, so they don't really object to most of his program (except that they'd do it better of course) and they cherish that he has to go to them if he wants votes.

i say swears online posted:

is gaullism dead in france or have le pen and macron both tried to usurp that mantle?

lol, everyone on the center, right and far right claims to be the last true gaullist, it's a completely meaningless term.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

sixth republic when

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

i say swears online posted:

sixth republic when

They're pretty close to beating their last record, gotta tough it out a few more years

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


That's a cool frog.

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
glory hole frog

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://mobile.twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1599524279963422721

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

I've always said that what France needs is more Americans

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.


Is this the traditional french president's baton?

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-government-unveils-unpopular-pension-reform/

he's up to it again. retirement age from 62 to 65

he doesn't have a majority in the assembly though so will be relying on LR. they could potentially tank the whole thing and the opposition could force a vonc and new elections

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
they're pushing it through without a vote

https://twitter.com/Figaro_Live/status/1636376876800409604

hon hon hon

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

49.3 mandates that while there isn't a vote, the opposition has a freeroll for a VONC in the next 24 hours

can't see it succeeding but I'd like to see the result if they choose to do it

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

the far right already moved to do a no confidence vote

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!
Come on Sixth Republic!

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

i say swears online posted:

49.3 mandates that while there isn't a vote, the opposition has a freeroll for a VONC in the next 24 hours

can't see it succeeding but I'd like to see the result if they choose to do it

Why do you think it won't succeed?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Red and Black posted:

Why do you think it won't succeed?

it would take defections from the ruling coalition (confidence and supply i think, not a real coalition) and macron's party plus LR are the parties unfriendly to the unions already. i'd be supportive if it happened though

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
https://twitter.com/Mediavenir/status/1636384626267820036

"it's gonna fart"

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005
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france burns tonight

https://twitter.com/actu_monde5/status/1636458667246583808

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


lol

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005
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live video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmNGGcaWc74

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005
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120 people arrested so far

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Oglethorpe posted:

france burns tonight

Oui... hon hon hon... oui!

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

when are they going to break the monarchist who slapped macron out of prison?

CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN
Aug 12, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

It's not bastille day yet.

But to add something to the thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1uqNmxptRU

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4wYd45WvjU

give this man the legion of honor

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Red and Black posted:

Why do you think it won't succeed?

because the majority of parliament want to cut benefits too and letting macron take the fall for cutting benefits while letting them claim they were against it means they love him

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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
https://twitter.com/AnonymeCitoyen/status/1636617507422257153

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envoyant mon pouvoir

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