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thetoughestbean posted:No I meant Man-Wolf and Stargod They sort of are except Man-Wolf is, y'know, a man-wolf but Stargod has a sword and also magic powers. Stargod is to Man-Wolf as Blastoise is to Squirtle and holy poo poo do I hate myself for thinking of that analogy
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Heavy Metal posted:Uncanny X-Men #144 is a good one, from right after the Dark Phoenix Saga in Claremont's run. Cyclops happens upon him in his wandering soul searching adventures. Yeah this is one of my favorite issues ever. Great Cyclops story and a great Man-Thing story.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:They sort of are except Man-Wolf is, y'know, a man-wolf but Stargod has a sword and also magic powers. Stargod is to Man-Wolf as Blastoise is to Squirtle and holy poo poo do I hate myself for thinking of that analogy
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Noob Saibot posted:Are there any Man-Thing comics worth reading? Gerbers run is a classic and his time on the thunderbolts is fun
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When I was a kid I had some Spider-Man books by Diane Duane. I remember them being fun, easy reads with airport thriller style titles like The Venom Factor and The Lizard Equation. As someone whose prior experience of Spider-Man was limited to the 90s cartoon, I was really struck by how she characterised Venom. It was pretty clear that Duane actually wanted to write a book about Venom - they appeared in all the books I read and there were multiple chapters from their perspective. One thing I really liked was that while Venom was nominally a hero, they were still obsessed with killing Spidey (requiring Duane to produce plenty of different reasons why they have to reluctantly team up) and I'm assuming that this reflected their status in the comics of the time. What are the recommended comics runs (in Spider-Man or their own title) for good guy Venom that would still happily kill and eat Parker? I just remembered one bit where Venom and Spider-Man are looking for some bigger threat and Venom declares that he will "eat their spleen". Spidey ribs them, saying that they don't know where the spleen is and wouldn't know what one was if they were looking at it. Venom slowly turns to fix Spidey with a pointed stare and grins "We could find out. It would be fun." That's the kind of vibe I'm looking for.
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We've got a few Punisher fan/historians on here, always a fascinating character. What do you make of the latest happenings? Today this War Journal Brother comic came out, the solicit says it's the ol' John Wick bounty out everybody wants to kill him thingy. Also, the recap preview page on Amazon for it says, and I quote, "The hand made Frank an offer he couldn't refuse: Become their high slayer in exchange for the resurrection of his long dead wife Maria. Frank is just one in a long line of fabled fists of the beast." Etc. I had heard about the Hand thing, and that run looks ho-hum. That thing with his wife sure is notable shark jumping as well. Next Uncle Ben is going to be riding shotgun with Frank. It is fascinating indeed to follow this character. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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it is far from the strangest thing castle has gone through. unfortunately, it's also boring.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it is far from the strangest thing castle has gone through. unfortunately, it's also boring. Was the Frankcastle stuff fun?
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Definitely he's been through kooky stuff, but this is a more subtle yet damning jump of the shark to me. It's just not a good sign that they even thought of this story, or that it would be of interest. In a perfect world, somehow Gerry Conway or somebody would win the Punisher rights, and it could go to Dark Horse and wherever and do cool stuff like Conan. And we'd get weird European Punisher from Ablaze etc. Now that I think of it, they should just make a numbers filed off bootleg Punisher series. The Judgmenter.
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Skwirl posted:Was the Frankcastle stuff fun? imo, yes.
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Heavy Metal posted:We've got a few Punisher fan/historians on here, always a fascinating character. What do you make of the latest happenings? They really just need to permanently kill off or retire Frank as Punisher, his usual status quo hasn't fit as part of the regular Marvel universe in the better part of 30 years(and even in older stuff he's always been a bit of an odd duck) and attempts to make him more "super" always either fall completely flat or get undone for a "return to status quo", they just need to get rid of him and stick the Punisher name onto a new character that isn't attached to such an ill fitting and outdated status quo
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I've missed Weapon X Gallery Edition this year and now it's completely oop. I'm kinda out of the loop w/ comic books nowadays, do these editions get reprints? Is there any site I can check with reprint info?
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Heavy Metal posted:We've got a few Punisher fan/historians on here, always a fascinating character. What do you make of the latest happenings? I agree the direction seems pretty dumb and uninteresting. The only reason it's still on my radar at all is because they seem to be setting up a crossover in Zdarsky's Daredevil, which I'm a little iffy on despite enjoying this run and liking Zdarsky's writing in general.
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Skwirl posted:Was the Frankcastle stuff fun? Top Punisher arc of all time.
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Heavy Metal posted:We've got a few Punisher fan/historians on here, always a fascinating character. What do you make of the latest happenings? the two war journal issues by gronbekk have been alright because they are both the "classic" style one shots where he just goes and kills some bad guys and not be part of aaron's main plot. i would rather her making more jane foster valkyrie though, i liked that book  aaron's book, however, still stinks
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site posted:the two war journal issues by gronbekk have been alright because they are both the "classic" style one shots where he just goes and kills some bad guys and not be part of aaron's main plot. i would rather her making more jane foster valkyrie though, i liked that book Gronbekk is getting to guest write a small, Valkyrie focused Thor arc in December that I'm really looking forward too. Really wish they'd just give her an ongoing already.
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AXE: Iron Fist was pretty fun. It's a team-up between the current Iron Fist and Loki, with the storyline being (of course) that they're being judged. Both pass their tests for the same reason: they're strong in their convictions, though for different reasons. Lin Lie refuses to kill Shou-Lao to get the "real" Iron Fist power, so Shou-Lao grants it to him anyway. Loki simply continually insists that he doesn't care how he's judged.
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glitchwraith posted:Gronbekk is getting to guest write a small, Valkyrie focused Thor arc in December that I'm really looking forward too. Really wish they'd just give her an ongoing already. Getting a guest writer for Thor is great. I feel like Hulk and Thor were both going OK, then the crossover just killed both books. Big delays didn't help certainly
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i know I'm not the only Javier Rodriguez fan here so this interview may be of some interest https://twitter.com/sktchdcomic/status/1582415600076615684?t=Kjk0afKqrvnrPQxPnpkr6g&s=19
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He tried to find out? Did Javier banish him to the Dark Dimension for discovering the deal he made to be such a brilliant artist? Hmmm, can you still tweet from the Dark Dimension?
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Rhyno posted:Hmmm, can you still tweet from the Dark Dimension? You can only tweet from the Dark Dimension. That's what makes it Dark.
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Defenders Beyond is really good and has already swerved the one thing I would have hated by not actually killing Taaia
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It's not. We keep the current thread behind a velvet rope and only allow the coolest Marvel Zombies in. You're free to post here tho.
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:Is this the current thread? No, it's way behind the times. For instance, I've been reading a buttload of old Daredevil and recently got into the Frank Miller era. What surprised me is how he had been hyped up before he even started pencilling. Like I thought he was going to become a big deal over the course of his run but no, in the issue before he started they were like oh gently caress everybody you're not going to believe the artist we've got coming up! Which also made me think of the penciller at the time who was probably thinking well I'll just gently caress off then, eh? But they were right because Miller's art and then later also his stories truly do rule. Very much lives up to the hype back then and the legendary status it enjoys today. About to start issue 181! As far as heroes and their famous issue numbers go I don't think there's a bigger one for Daredevil.
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Daredevil 181 is so drat good. That one issue would be stretched out into a whole arc these days. If it were up to me, that Mister Sinister avatar would be the new hard hat Spider-Man, and every poster would have their own Sinister Secret.
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Open Marriage Night posted:If it were up to me, that Mister Sinister avatar would be the new hard hat Spider-Man, and every poster would have their own Sinister Secret. that would honestly be worth losing Hard Hat Spidey for
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Lobok posted:No, it's way behind the times. For instance, I've been reading a buttload of old Daredevil and recently got into the Frank Miller era. What surprised me is how he had been hyped up before he even started pencilling. Like I thought he was going to become a big deal over the course of his run but no, in the issue before he started they were like oh gently caress everybody you're not going to believe the artist we've got coming up! Which also made me think of the penciller at the time who was probably thinking well I'll just gently caress off then, eh? As for the previous penciller being told to gently caress off, it doesn't really seem like there WAS a regular penciler for Daredevil for a year or two prior to Miller coming on: 138: John Byrne 139-140: Sal Buscema 141: Gil Kane and William Robert Brown 142-143: William Robert Brown 144: Lee Elias 145: George Tuska 146-148: Gil Kane 149-150: Carmine Infantino 151: Gil Kane 152: Carmine Infantino 153-154: Gene Colan 155: Frank Robbins 156-157: Gene Colan 158: Frank Miller The book was "on life support" according to people working at Marvel on the time, and it was mostly just being hacked out mostly by veterans who could turn the book around quick on a deadline, and the writing bounced around a lot too. The book was bimonthly for half of that pre-Miller period, and it was still frequently co-written or plotted by one person and scripted by another, almost all of those writers (Wolfman, Mantlo, Shooter, Conway, Mary Jo Duffy) were also on staff as editors. When Roger McKenzie and Frank Miller were the sole writer and penciller on Daredevil #158-160 in spring of 1979, it was the first time in three years that a creative team did three consecutive issues of Daredevil. I feel like that's something that's missing (or at least very different) in the modern era of comics, you don't get those books which keep running on life-support/autopilot until they give someone a shot at doing something different with minimal interference/stakes, and that's how you end up with Miller's Daredevil, Claremont's X-Men, Simonson's Thor, Moore's Swamp Thing, Morrison's Doom Patrol, PAD's Hulk, etc. etc. etc. You still get oddball takes from newer writers, but there's a lot more pressure to have a Big New First Issue and none of the old benign neglect of "oh hey sales are just marginally up with the new team, let's give them a year or two."
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uh excuse me, check the title this is the gold key comics thread
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Edge & Christian posted:Part of that is just how the "Marvel Bullpen Bulletins" style of promotion works, every new talent is a future legend, every new character is a sensational find, every story an epic likely to be talked about for decades. Sometimes they get it right, other times it's Omega the Unknown. I did one or two story arcs before Miller, which I usually like to do before reading a classic run so I see what the "baseline" was. To see how much things really changed. And I do remember the art being inconsistent, yeah. I think part of it is that Marvel Unlimited is pretty light on letters and Bullpen pages where a lot of the hype is normally done. This stood out to me because it was right on the first splash page credits (not the end of the previous issue as I had remembered). Just feel like I haven't seen that too often.
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Edge & Christian posted:Part of that is just how the "Marvel Bullpen Bulletins" style of promotion works, every new talent is a future legend, every new character is a sensational find, every story an epic likely to be talked about for decades. Sometimes they get it right, other times it's Omega the Unknown. Wasn’t the story behind Miller’s run that they just didn’t care and wanted to put a fresh face on the book to pencil it, but than Roger McKenzie said “gently caress it, I’m retiring” and they just turned the whole thing over to Miller? Frank was basically given free reign as nobody gave a poo poo about the book and he reinvented the book as a gritty crime drama with ninjas and it just took right the hell off. Iron Man was basically in the same boat as it sold worse than Daredevil and they just told Layton and Micheline and Romita Jr to do whatever, and they turned it into this whole cutting edge technology/industrial espionage book and brought it back from the brink.
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Is the character of Gateway racist? It seems pretty racist.
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Gripweed posted:Is the character of Gateway racist? It seems pretty racist. How so?
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I don't think Gateway is racist, per se, but he's not really a fully-fleshed character and definitely draws on some tropes of indigenous mysticism (I don't know if he also draws on any tropes or stereotypes specific to Aboriginal culture but I wouldn't be shocked to find out that he does.) I don't think you could create a character like that these days but I also don't think there was any ill-intent on Claremont's part, for whatever that's worth.
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I think most characters are a bundle of stereotypes and tropes related to their culture, it just depends on which ones are used and how. Are Dani Moonstar’s headband and braids a trope? Yup. Are they negative? Probably not. She doesn’t wear a headdress after all.
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Cloks posted:How so? He's Marvel's most prominent aboriginal Australian character and he never talks, only wears a loincloth, is very mysterious and spiritual, he uses a bullroarer to make his powers go, and I've seen him drawn a lot with exaggerated proportions that make him seem more like a leprechaun than a human. rantmo posted:I don't think Gateway is racist, per se, but he's not really a fully-fleshed character and definitely draws on some tropes of indigenous mysticism (I don't know if he also draws on any tropes or stereotypes specific to Aboriginal culture but I wouldn't be shocked to find out that he does.) I don't think you could create a character like that these days but I also don't think there was any ill-intent on Claremont's part, for whatever that's worth. Yeah from what I've read it definitely doesn't seem intentionally hateful, but also with zero thought to what an aboriginal human being might actually be like. Joe Fisto posted:I think most characters are a bundle of stereotypes and tropes related to their culture, it just depends on which ones are used and how. Are Dani Moonstar’s headband and braids a trope? Yup. Are they negative? Probably not. She doesn’t wear a headdress after all. Sure Moonstar and Thunderbird and Warpath are all created in the stereotypical image of "an Indian" but they also talk in full sentences and have character motivations and such. And there's Forge right there who, aside from the headband, isn't a stereotypical Native American at all Gripweed fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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