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Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
I should talk my way into an Adderall prescription so I can finish this stupid PhD this semester

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Noise Machine
Dec 3, 2005

Today is a good day to save.


Plank Walker posted:

So I buckled and got a CV Jaguar, any tips on the bridge? Put some heavier strings on it (10.5 - 42s) and noticed while setting the intonation that the bridge likes to rock towards the neck or tail and sit there. Is the correct move to just re-center it every time this happens? I'm guessing once you get the intonation set, if the bridge moves, you can just wiggle it back to center until it's back in tune? Also I didn't realize the pickups were just sitting on foam and was very confused that they didn't move at all when I tried to raise them a bit.

Other than that it sounds and plays great and it's nice to finally have a non-Floyd guitar on hand to try some other tunings.


I wrapped my jazzmaster bridge in electrical tape and I definitely recommend it. I always just anchor my palm to the bridge when I play guitar and it would cause unwanted movement, after a month or so post-wrapping (hah) I still can use the vibrato and have it stay in tune.

DOPE FIEND KILLA G
Jun 4, 2011

dylan wrote all his 60s albums on speed but then he burned out and almost died in a motorcycle accident so uh, good luck and be careful

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

800peepee51doodoo posted:

Somewhat ironically, J Mascis's solos are relatively easy to figure out if you know your major and minor scales. From the Dino Jr songs I've learned, he almost always plays completely diatonically so if you can figure out what key/mode the song is in, you're already like 80% of the way there. Learning by ear is much easier if you already know what they are likely to be playing. Having at least some theory definitely helps a lot.

I’m glad you mentioned this, because I went through one of his solos that I really liked, got it all down, and it was like “wtf, this is just the G major scale, how does this sound so good??”

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

dylan wrote all his 60s albums on speed but then he burned out and almost died in a motorcycle accident so uh, good luck and be careful

my poo poo’s prescribed from a psychiatrist!

and it’s a real rear end psychiatrist i’ve seen since i was 14 and not one of those tele health therapists that prescribed everyone adderall during the pandemic

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

The Leck posted:

I’m glad you mentioned this, because I went through one of his solos that I really liked, got it all down, and it was like “wtf, this is just the G major scale, how does this sound so good??”

this is how i feel about triads. they have such a stable sound that if you build some tension by playing two notes of a triad, then hit the final one, it's incredibly satisfying for the listener

800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune

The Leck posted:

I’m glad you mentioned this, because I went through one of his solos that I really liked, got it all down, and it was like “wtf, this is just the G major scale, how does this sound so good??”

Yeah, dude's just got good licks and knows how to tell a story with a solo. I had the same realization as you learning Pieces and going "oh this is just B mixolidian? Huh."

Doctor Dogballs
Apr 1, 2007

driving the fuck truck from hand land to pound town without stopping at suction station


800peepee51doodoo posted:

It might be that it is defensiveness thats a reaction to dudes constantly trying to mansplain stuff. I know a number of women in trades work that get super defensive when guys try to explain certain construction techniques, even if they are trying to be genuinely helpful. Its that idea that racism/misogyny drives people crazy and its hard to trust that someone is trying to help and not poo poo on them. Obviously I dont know that thats whats happening here, but it is possible and might be hindering her from taking any advice or useful criticism.

Also, this gives me an excuse to post this video of women talking about their experiences in music. They're mostly electronic artists but they also interview Sarah Longfield who is an insanely talented guitar player. Its wild that this person who is in the upper levels of virtuoso playing still gets unsolicited advice from online dudes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ipb81z46kI

i bought a piece of gear off her. she's a very nice person

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

landgrabber posted:

sorry i accidentally doubled my adderall this morning lol

getting a lot done though!!

Absolutely classic, I think everyone with ADHD has done that at some point lol

I also think fundamental theory is something every musician (especially guitarists honestly) could use. I know a lot of people just go by "the feeeeels and viiiiibes maaaan" but like, you can shortcut a lot of beating around the bush if you knew the slightest bit what you were doing.

Buying a keyboard and bouncing between keyboard and guitar has helped me a lot with implementing theory in ways I didn't use to do before. Highly recommended.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i discovered Harvest Moon by Neil Young earlier today and it's a great song of the type that you people probably think i'd never listen to and it has really cool guitar work

absolutely gorgeous melody

DOPE FIEND KILLA G
Jun 4, 2011

neil young ftw

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

it's very hard to believe this came out in like, 1992

it sounds like one of the lost classic America songs or something

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

the man is powerful and made lynyrd skynyrd mad as hell. truly one of canada's national treasures

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

Huxley posted:

Playing solo again Sunday for wife's (very liberal Methodist) church job. They said "play something about joy" so I flipped through the contempo worship song book until I found one with joy in the title and said good enough.



I love chord melody, and I always try and take these opportunities to learn something, so I decided to make it work. But those are some loooong stretches on the V7. After trying to make it work, I started learning more about chord subs, and figured why not turn a bunch of Vs into ii-Vs and other nonsense. My voice leading is probably all over the place, but here's what I ended up with on a first pass (in F).



Anyway, if anyone has experience with this or like, a better idea about voicing that 11-12 measure (lol). I'm also sure as I start practicing it I'm going to need to revoice stuff. I have to real work for a while then I'll start practicing it. It's a fun thing to sit and work out, even if you end up with the most basic thing in the world.

this is really cool, it seems like you know what you’re doing, don’t have any suggestions. would love to hear it though

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
This is a question about polishing guitar frets:

One of my guitars is pretty new, I adjusted the action and intonation at the bridge as best I can, but it's never felt the gentle caress of a real luthier. When doing string bends on it, the frets feel very "grainy," which tells me they want to be polished.

But if I don't take it to a luthier, and instead I just play the poo poo out of it, will that "break in" the frets so they eventually feel smoother? I like my big and tall frets, and I'm loathe to take any metal off of them prematurely!

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

Helianthus Annuus posted:

This is a question about polishing guitar frets:

One of my guitars is pretty new, I adjusted the action and intonation at the bridge as best I can, but it's never felt the gentle caress of a real luthier. When doing string bends on it, the frets feel very "grainy," which tells me they want to be polished.

But if I don't take it to a luthier, and instead I just play the poo poo out of it, will that "break in" the frets so they eventually feel smoother? I like my big and tall frets, and I'm loathe to take any metal off of them prematurely!
Micro-mesh sandpaper. Stewmac sells it, you want a high grit like 8,000 (I think I use 12k). If you press too hard, the abrasive sinks into the substrate so you don't remove anything you aren't meaning to. I keep two boxes around mostly for cleaning stuff that I don't want to scratch. Works great on metal.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


Helianthus Annuus posted:

This is a question about polishing guitar frets:

One of my guitars is pretty new, I adjusted the action and intonation at the bridge as best I can, but it's never felt the gentle caress of a real luthier. When doing string bends on it, the frets feel very "grainy," which tells me they want to be polished.

But if I don't take it to a luthier, and instead I just play the poo poo out of it, will that "break in" the frets so they eventually feel smoother? I like my big and tall frets, and I'm loathe to take any metal off of them prematurely!

breakin em in will not have the same effect as a good polish. I usually use 0000 steel wool, just tape off everything with painters tape (especially the pickups!!!) It's a little messy but it works really well and you can get steel wool anywhere. It will scratch the gently caress out of anything it touches so be careful up near the body (hence the tape). There are lots of other fret polishing products out there, but I haven't found one that did a better job than steel wool- especially for the money. I've heard good things about the music nomad Frine, but haven't tried it yet. If it's as good as their other stuff, then it's awesome.

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

Huxley posted:

Playing solo again Sunday for wife's (very liberal Methodist) church job. They said "play something about joy" so I flipped through the contempo worship song book until I found one with joy in the title and said good enough.



I love chord melody, and I always try and take these opportunities to learn something, so I decided to make it work. But those are some loooong stretches on the V7. After trying to make it work, I started learning more about chord subs, and figured why not turn a bunch of Vs into ii-Vs and other nonsense. My voice leading is probably all over the place, but here's what I ended up with on a first pass (in F).



Anyway, if anyone has experience with this or like, a better idea about voicing that 11-12 measure (lol). I'm also sure as I start practicing it I'm going to need to revoice stuff. I have to real work for a while then I'll start practicing it. It's a fun thing to sit and work out, even if you end up with the most basic thing in the world.

okay i did think of one idea! you're not going to like it though :) i can't really figure out a good way to finger this, but... in the original sheet music, measure 11, there's a perfect 5th in the bass which lends stability to the spicy 2/#11 chord. the M3 on top resolves nicely into the Bb triad, and the bass doesn't descend until the final beat of the measure. nice bass movement down to the Gm. in your score you go straight to the 7th in the bass which sounds pretty dissonant with everything else going on.

i took a shot but uhhh... this doesn't seem playable. just not sure what to do cause that 5th seems important. maybe you could omit the root??



i also wonder if this would be easier voiced lower, with open strings

polar
Nov 3, 2003
Is an anchor finger on the right hand a bad thing?

And I should be using thumb pressure vs grasping the neck and thumb muting for cowboy chords?


I have switched teachers and we had to analyze my form and posture. 2x lessons :(

I understand the neck grip, as its how I play barre chords.

I can see reduced movement could help my playing. But have felt as though its that archaic method, break someone down to create teacher / student relationship.

Edit: For reference working into intermediate skill levels.

polar fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Oct 26, 2022

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005
What do you mean by thumb pressure? Someone more knowledgeable may correct me, but using the arm and fingers to apply pressure to the strings instead of pinching is the accepted "good form", or at least the way to avoid finger fatigue and tensing up. The thumb can help but you could practice the chords with your thumb totally off the neck to get used to using the arm more.

Again this may all be completely wrong, I've never had an instructor, just remembering some video I watched a long time ago that stuck with me.

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



I gave myself tendonitis in my left thumb by using too much pressure on the back of the neck so, don't do that!

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

polar posted:

Is an anchor finger on the right hand a bad thing?

And I should be using thumb pressure vs grasping the neck and thumb muting for cowboy chords?


I have switched teachers and we had to analyze my form and posture. 2x lessons :(

I understand the neck grip, as its how I play barre chords.

I can see reduced movement could help my playing. But have felt as though its that archaic method, break someone down to create teacher / student relationship.

Edit: For reference working into intermediate skill levels.

anchor finger: can be fine, depending, but often it's masking some tension. you'll see people sticking their left hand pinky out from tension as well. i think this is similar for lots of players. it's not necessarily bad, but you'll want to keep an eye on it and maybe try alternatives.

thumb pressure: ideally, the weight of your arm should contribute most of the pressure used for fretting. always make sure your fingertip is as close to the fret wire as possible. any thumb pressure heavier than a slight push should be continually examined during technique practice.

re: analyzing form and posture, the way i understand learning is as a spiral. as our technique improves and our playing mechanism becomes more sensitive, we should always revisit fundamentals to see if we can make it better. i was an intermediate guitarist 10 years ago and have been working on form for 4+ years at this point (still have a long way to go), so spending a few lessons early on is well worth it!

polar
Nov 3, 2003
Thank you for the inisght!

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

a.p. dent posted:

i took a shot but uhhh... this doesn't seem playable. just not sure what to do cause that 5th seems important. maybe you could omit the root??

After beating my head against this a bit last night, I stumbled on this video, which opened up a lot of doors for me. It's great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkvUUbKZses

And ended up here just in time for the preacher to call my wife to tell her about a funeral forcing a change of program and scrapping my spot on Sunday; that's showbiz!



So even if this looks nuts, it's pretty simple and standard (maybe on step 3 of that video's 5) because it's all just ii-Vs. So Gm7-C7 is a ii-V for the tonic. But you can also ii-V the IV. So in measure 10, Cm7 F7 are both "outside" our key, but they resolve to the Bb. Measure 9 Dm7 is a relative minor substitution for the I, and Ebm7b5 A7 is the ii-V of THAT.

So it gets you a little spicy, drags you out of your key, but so long as it doesn't clash against the harmony (and so long as you can actually reach the notes) you're jamming.

Like I said, the performance got cancelled so I am not too inclined to dial it in and record it, but it sounds pretty neat. And I learned a ton of tricks in MuseScore along the way. My phrasing is also VERY rudimentary to just be establishing the chords on 1 and 3, but ... learning is a process.

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

Helianthus Annuus posted:

This is a question about polishing guitar frets:

One of my guitars is pretty new, I adjusted the action and intonation at the bridge as best I can, but it's never felt the gentle caress of a real luthier. When doing string bends on it, the frets feel very "grainy," which tells me they want to be polished.

But if I don't take it to a luthier, and instead I just play the poo poo out of it, will that "break in" the frets so they eventually feel smoother? I like my big and tall frets, and I'm loathe to take any metal off of them prematurely!

As others have said, just playing won't get you there.

The 2 inch by 2 inch Micro-Mesh pads seem to be popular choices for fret polishing. You can buy them a lot of places (Amazon, Etsy, small tool specialists, probably others). StewMac sells them too, but I try not to buy stuff from StewMac if I can help it. It seems like it costs $12 to ship the smallest possible package from them.

People swear by 0000 steel wool but it is messy, for sure. I learned about 3M/Scotch-Brite white pads (7445) for frets from a Gibson video on guitar cleaning/polishing.
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40066283/

Supposedly they have the same level of abrasive as 0000 steel wool but doesn't create a mess of tiny ferrous particles all over, which can be an issue on something with both magnets and a buffed up finished. I didn't use steel wool for polishing a ton but the effect of the Scotch-Brite pads seems very similar to what I remember. Normally sold in boxes of 20 for upwards of $40, unless you're buying loosies from somewhere, so you gotta be sure you're gonna need them quite a bit.

Whatever you do, tape off the fingerboard between the frets with a low adhesive tape. Probably the guitar around the end of the fingerboard and the pickups as well.

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
i came up with a prygian dominant riff that seemed pretty cool at the time, but once I plugged up the gain seems to want to make that note that jumps up an octave sound like poo poo. also youtube took the cell phone audio and made it even worse so I reckon I should record it for real. e: I had a little recording fright and jumped off the 3rd a bit too fast though, I think it'll be good with a drum beat to help accent that part where it slows down before the power chords. what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVlZmCGPPe8

Drunk Driver Dad fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Oct 27, 2022

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



random question, how long does it take for a martin to stop smelling like fresh cut cedar lol.

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005
Can someone explain to me why 250k/500k/1m potentiometers sound different? Shouldn't they be the same when set to 10? Or is it basically higher resistance values are closer to a "no-load" pot and lower values let more higher frequencies bleed off? Long term I'm looking to do some tinkering on the wiring for my Jaguar, mainly switching wiring for both pickups off to both pickups in series and considering replacing the pots but I don't get the why behind the differences in output.

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

Plank Walker posted:

Can someone explain to me why 250k/500k/1m potentiometers sound different? Shouldn't they be the same when set to 10? Or is it basically higher resistance values are closer to a "no-load" pot and lower values let more higher frequencies bleed off? Long term I'm looking to do some tinkering on the wiring for my Jaguar, mainly switching wiring for both pickups off to both pickups in series and considering replacing the pots but I don't get the why behind the differences in output.

The passive electronics in a guitar basically form a big LRC filter - inductance from the pickups, capacitance from the tone knob, and resistance from the pickups & pots. All of those values impact which frequencies are reduced by that filter, and which are boosted by the resonance of the circuit. That’s also why rolling off your volume impacts your tone - you’re changing the balance of resistance, inductance, and capacitance in the circuit.

But basically it’s that higher resistances are closer to a no-load and lower values let more high frequencies bleed off, yeah.

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

i came up with a prygian dominant riff that seemed pretty cool at the time, but once I plugged up the gain seems to want to make that note that jumps up an octave sound like poo poo. also youtube took the cell phone audio and made it even worse so I reckon I should record it for real. e: I had a little recording fright and jumped off the 3rd a bit too fast though, I think it'll be good with a drum beat to help accent that part where it slows down before the power chords. what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVlZmCGPPe8

sounds cool to me. the 3rd is definitely the highlight, you’ll want to accent that

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

ethanol posted:

random question, how long does it take for a martin to stop smelling like fresh cut cedar lol.

if it lives in a case: years.

I love that smell though, it's amazing.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Spanish Manlove posted:

if it lives in a case: years.

I love that smell though, it's amazing.

I worded that wrong, I hope it never fades. I just don’t remember the old ‘70s d-35 I used to play having any hint of cedar. That one was probably more out of a case than in though

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!
My new SG still smells vaguely chemically, and that's in a hardcase (I have my others in gig bags). I wouldn't say its a nice smell, per se, but it is a "new" smell.

In other guitar news, my partner bought a super fancy delay pedal yesterday. They really do enjoy a boutique pedal, shame that their taste in guitars runs towards "Woolworths".

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Disco Pope posted:

My new SG still smells vaguely chemically, and that's in a hardcase (I have my others in gig bags). I wouldn't say its a nice smell, per se, but it is a "new" smell.


I have a 2009 sg standard I bought from the factory, it still smells of something, I wouldn’t call it bad. Never quite placed what it is

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR
I had an 83 Jazz Bass that smelt incredible. Mix of finish and the lemon oil the previous owner used I think. I've never found any other acoustics that smell as strongly than Martins though - mine smelt of fresh wood for years until it got caught in a rainstorm at an outdoor gig and gave up the will to live.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!
Of a weekend, I'll just wonder around GuitarGuitar taking big huffs of bouquets of Jacksons like a six string sommelier until they kick me out.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i like that pat finnerty vid where he plays that clip of beato saying "for melody writing you don't want to do exactly what the bass is doing". because that's actually a really good tip that i have to keep in mind more.

but i'm sure as hell not gonna watch a bunch of beato to hear that

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
i must be watching the wrong beato videos because i just watch the "what makes this song great" videos and i enjoy those well enough, he must be very annoying on some other ones

darkwasthenight posted:

I had an 83 Jazz Bass that smelt incredible. Mix of finish and the lemon oil the previous owner used I think. I've never found any other acoustics that smell as strongly than Martins though - mine smelt of fresh wood for years until it got caught in a rainstorm at an outdoor gig and gave up the will to live.

my favorite guitar of all time (RIP) smelled like cigarettes for years after I bought it

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

He's a little bit old man yells at cloud but he's not like, actively bad or dumb imo.

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muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
one more pro-Beato post: I like the color he picked for his Gibson model, it's a nice combo

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