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CPColin posted:I'm a lifelong California resident and while neither of my hometowns' namesakes showed up to the battle, I still admit I welled up a little. California knows how to party. Hopefully next season we get to see the USS Rancho Cucamonga commanded by co-captains Matt and Nick Jackson
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Everyone posted:DS9 knew those fleets were coming and those fleets were manned by organic beings who wouldn't be completely familiar with DS9's defense specifications or weak points. The AI ships would have much faster reaction, more power to play with (since life support, etc wouldn't be needed) and total familiarity with the targets. Which is exactly how M5 was able to clown so hard on four other starships identical to the one it was controlling. (And it's essentially the same reason real-world fighter jets will all be drones before long -- the pilot is the weakest component.)
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Delsaber posted:Hopefully next season we get to see the USS Rancho Cucamonga commanded by co-captains Matt and Nick Jackson I was a little disappointed that Boimler's listing off of the Cali-class ships wasn't a reference to the old "Mel Blanc says weird California town names" gag that popped up in a lot of old Looney Tunes (usually when a train schedule was being read out), but still, very good ep.
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Oct 28, 2022 15:48
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Der Kyhe posted:Yeah, and then the S2 has a completely new story about how Q wants Picard to bang his house keeper lady, and a backstory on how a part of the Borg collective was admitted to Federation. No-one questions the fact that Picard for example is now an AI consciousness of they guy who died some time ago in a colony ran by Soong androids, running in an android body that mimics real-life body to the degree where 21st century medicine cannot tell the difference. This is the reason why I think Prodigy/LD trying to make Picard season 1 make more sense is admirable, sort of, it also seems a little futile because Picard season 2 is also batshit, and made season 1 effectively irrelevant. Fortunately though, Prodigy and Lower Decks have actual characters and stories and stuff, so even if they are building up to a not-so-great plot element, it doesn't affect their quality. Nichael fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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GimpInBlack posted:I was a little disappointed that Boimler's listing off of the Cali-class ships wasn't a reference to the old "Mel Blanc says weird California town names" gag that popped up in a lot of old Looney Tunes (usually when a train schedule was being read out), but still, very good ep. Next season I want to see the Australia class with the USS Wolloomooloo and the USS Mt Buggery and the USS Humlybong and the USS Mt Disappointment.
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Oct 28, 2022 15:52
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They should do a modern episode about AI. Pike's Enterprise gets an AI installed and the computer keeps recommending variations of Plomeek Tea to Spock because of his past replication history.
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Oct 28, 2022 15:57
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I don't consider Picard an AI consciousness. In star Trek a soul/katra is %100 real and transferable. Ghosts are also %100 real. He has an artificial body but his real soul was transferred into it. Same as literally everyone who has ever used a transporter.
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Oct 28, 2022 16:09
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That does remind me though that one thing they nail in the episode is Freeman’s line about the point of starfleet being that humanity meets and learns amongst the stars and handing that to AI would be a step back. Imagine hitting the nail on the head so simply.
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Oct 28, 2022 16:09
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I don't consider Picard an AI consciousness. In star Trek a soul/katra is %100 real and transferable. Ghosts are also %100 real. He has an artificial body but his real soul was transferred into it. Same as literally everyone who has ever used a transporter. I really don't want to open a huge argument about this and I agree 100% on that Vulcan katra thing and on "transferring the person does not replace that person with an exact copy" stuff, but IIRC didn't they show Picard dying on screen nowhere near the operating table? Whats running in that synth brain is either a memory snapshot from the recently deceased body that actually experienced biological death, or the most recent backup copy from the transporters which isn't the original.
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Everyone posted:DS9 knew those fleets were coming and those fleets were manned by organic beings who wouldn't be completely familiar with DS9's defense specifications or weak points. The AI ships would have much faster reaction, more power to play with (since life support, etc wouldn't be needed) and total familiarity with the targets. Also they probably didn't have shields up / they were taken out first. Missing from the pantheon of Trek AI stories discussed is Voyager's Dreadnought, which was a Maquis hacked cardassian AI missile. It packed a punch iirc. There was even another episode later on where the doctor is hacked by a sentient weapon, I forget the name. Picardo of course hams it up as an evil guy.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:They should do a modern episode about AI. Why does the replicator recommendation algorithm consistently recommend racist beverages...
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Nichael posted:This is the reason why I think Prodigy/LD trying to make Picard season 1 make more sense is admirable, sort of, it also seems a little futile because Picard season 2 is also batshit, and made season 1 effectively irrelevant. The good news is that from the look of it, Season 3 of Picard also makes Season 2 effectively irrelevant, so it can basically be completely ignored as well beyond what happens in episodes 1 and 10.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:00
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I will also be ignoring Picard season 3.
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Still waiting for a dramatic save at the last moment by the Enterprise D, with no comment just have it be there.
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zoux posted:Why does the replicator recommendation algorithm consistently recommend racist beverages... OH interesting, you won't even debate the replicator on klingon crime statistics? I'm sorry but logic doesn't care about your feelings.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:42
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Picard is a replicant
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Phy posted:Picard is a replicant Definitely, and also a cylon skinjob.
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MikeJF posted:Next season I want to see the Australia class with the USS Wolloomooloo and the USS Mt Buggery and the USS Humlybong and the USS Mt Disappointment. USS Dollarbucks, USS DollaryDoos, USS Heeler
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MikeJF posted:Also I didn't catch it first time but YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS there's a USS West Covina. I want my USS Rancho Cucamonga Probably too long of a name for the saucer section though
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MikeJF posted:Also I didn't catch it first time but YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS there's a USS West Covina. I love some subtle jokes here- like how most of these are suburbs, but also San Diego's sitting with equal billing to Fresno and Cerritos kept waiting for a USS Bakersfield, it'd be fun to play that as sort of a, 'starbase 80 of starships', but with that Starfleet 'give em a chance to get better' thing going on Bilirubin posted:I want my USS Rancho Cucamonga hey it's only slightly longer than USS Corpus Christi, which was another funny pull imo I'm guessing they didn't go for it because it's well-trod funny town name territory
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Peanut Butler posted:I love some subtle jokes here- like how most of these are suburbs, but also San Diego's sitting with equal billing to Fresno and Cerritos Starbase 80 should have been the USS Fontuckey.
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Hah, I missed a great line from Dr T'Ana: "I didn't spent seven loving years on a goddamn Oberth to get knocked down to station physician!"Peanut Butler posted:I love some subtle jokes here- like how most of these are suburbs, but also San Diego's sitting with equal billing to Fresno and Cerritos We've actually heard of the Bakersfield and the Ventura as well as the ones on that list, but they didn't show up to the fleet.
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All those Cali-class ships and I’m surprised they didn’t have a USS Palmdale, given the circumstances. Episode owns, show owns. Showns.
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CaptainSkinny posted:Starbase 80 should have been the USS Fontuckey. lol and the USS Van Nuys is a holodeck repair/cleaning vessel
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my pipe dream is for the Los Angeles comedians involved in Lower Decks to reach out to the less-prestigious Chicago comedians who did Improvised Star Trek, create a rivalry between California and Illinois class ships. That podcast is the fan work I miss the most since CBS/Paramount firmed up their guidelines iirc IST's USS Sisyphus was an outdated and creaky Constellation-class, and that crew is definitely 100% lower deckers with flaws that run much deeper than Cerritos' senior staff- not quite Starbase 80 level, but rife with petty drama. I don't think what they were doing fits the tone that LD sets for comedy Trek- but dang that cast was so good, and it'd be a delight to see them show up in the newly-commissioned, but still kind of crappy, USS Galesburg or something.
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I hope we see more Parliament classes in the future, and that they're all also named after British Columbia cities. So like the USS Surrey, USS Hope, USS Chilliwack, USS Victoria, USS Abbotsford, USS Nanaimo, USS Prince George, USS Quesnel, USS Vernon, USS Kamloops, USS Kewlona, USS Golden, USS 100 Mile House, USS Haida Gwaii, etc.
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nine-gear crow posted:USS Chilliwack Gotta be more churches and Tim Hortons locations on the USS Chilliwack than there are officers
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I just hope we get more ships, and that those ships have names. Just a dick as hard as a diamond for ships named things.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I don't consider Picard an AI consciousness. In star Trek a soul/katra is %100 real and transferable. Ghosts are also %100 real. He has an artificial body but his real soul was transferred into it. Same as literally everyone who has ever used a transporter. Do you're saying JL Pipes should have been put in a sex ghost candle?
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John Wick of Dogs posted:In star Trek a soul/katra is %100 real and transferable. Or you're just telepathically copying your memories over.
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Trek is loaded to the rafters with Ship of Theseus consciousness-surfing situations, so I don't get how people get so hung up on thinking that Picard is actually dead or whatever. I mean, the transporter kills you and creates an exact duplicate of you with all your memories prior to your molecular disintegration. Everyone on Star Trek is an unquiet dead homunculus.
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Brawnfire posted:Nothing is cooler than the Crazy Horse That ship has two extremely good options for its five-letter exercise T-shirt.
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Powered Descent posted:That ship has two extremely good options for its five-letter exercise T-shirt. CORSE and RAZYH
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nine-gear crow posted:Trek is loaded to the rafters with Ship of Theseus consciousness-surfing situations, so I don't get how people get so hung up on thinking that Picard is actually dead or whatever. Maybe it is because Memory Alpha gives him a time and place of death? But following the Ensign Kim principle is probably in order here; we have *a* Picard, its just not *the* Picard, so nobody should care. But its still a cylon skinjob/replicant Picard. EDIT: I mean Q could just start the S2 by snapping his fingers and saying "oh get the **** out of here with that synth stuff *snap* here you go as old and worn as ever" Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Powered Descent posted:That ship has two extremely good options for its five-letter exercise T-shirt. Now I need to see some people jogging in the hall wearing either RANCHO or MONGA shirts.
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Picard S2 should've been five seconds long where Q shows up, takes one look at Pinocchio Picard, says, "you're not him" and flits away.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Picard S2 should've been five seconds long where Q shows up, takes one look at Pinocchio Picard, says, "you're not him" and flits away. That is one of the few things I appreciate Season 2 of Picard for, Q just going "Oh, you're a robot now. ...Neat. Anyway, I'm here to psychologically torture you some more until one or both of us dies."
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speaking of names, a minor complaint I have with LD is how it's still so anglo centric despite the fact that they're not constrained by having to have mostly white american actors
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nine-gear crow posted:Trek is loaded to the rafters with Ship of Theseus consciousness-surfing situations, so I don't get how people get so hung up on thinking that Picard is actually dead or whatever. I mean, the transporter kills you and creates an exact duplicate of you with all your memories prior to your molecular disintegration. Everyone on Star Trek is an unquiet dead homunculus. I think the theory of mind that people keep coming into this show with that has everyone be an undead replicant three ways over despite practically never having any adverse effects isn't very sound Like one of the first things Star Trek showed was beings who've ascended to a state of pure energy and they're fine, that's all the transport is really doing to people
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