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Anne Whateley posted:Holy Donuts has good flavors, but the texture is really hit or miss, and often misses. Next time you're in Portland, check out Hifi Donuts 
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I think it's weird you are trying to buy 4 espresso machines? Why would you need that many? I worked in one of the highest volume Starbucks in my area back in 2010 with a metric fuckton of foot traffic as we were right across from a university and we only had two
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Oct 30, 2022 17:17
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The rest of the space in the building is just gonna be full of busted equipment lmao. Gotta prepare for the second and third locations
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Oct 30, 2022 17:19
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hallo spacedog posted:I think it's weird you are trying to buy 4 espresso machines? Why would you need that many? I worked in one of the highest volume Starbucks in my area back in 2010 with a metric fuckton of foot traffic as we were right across from a university and we only had two Acquiring equipment is easy and fun, he's in the daydreaming stage of planning, and since he doesn't have a business plan, he's buying whatever strikes his fancy without knowing if he actually needs to spend the money and dedicate space for a bunch of this crap
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Oct 30, 2022 17:21
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Powerful Katrinka posted:Acquiring equipment is easy and fun, he's in the daydreaming stage of planning, this was definitely the best part of starting the biz. hiring to backfill people who are the sole person in that position currently continues to be the worst part
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Oct 30, 2022 17:32
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Yeah I’ll probably throw half this poo poo out when it’s all said and done but I’ll still have saved like 25k on equipment. I won’t have four automatic espresso machines on the counter at the same time I’ll have one or two back in case one of the ones in use goes down. I’d like to have at least two on the line for redundancy and then a pile of spare machines for hot swapping. I can’t think of a cheaper way to be capable of serving as many drinks. If the business takes off I’ll buy all the right stuff but for now I’ll have to make do.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:20
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:no, you will not make money in donuts and coffee. close thread Hold on a second, donuts as a service? Someone start a SPAC.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:37
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Tetramin posted:Yeah mixed espresso drinks are “painfully slow” for a reason. I’m not even a coffee snob but I walk further to get coffee on weekends because the two shops closer to me make watery as poo poo americanos and mochas that just taste like chocolate and milk Think you need to get a separate grinder. Also which drinks do you want? My mom had a fully automated delonghi for a long time. My dad pulls better shots out of a very basic espresso machine.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:41
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It makes negative economic sense to own a home espresso machine, it's always going to be kind of a toy. With that in mind, my suggestion is to get a setup that provides maximum entertainment: a separate grinder and a very high-touch machine like a La Pavoni. I don't make home espresso because I live in one of the best cities in the world to just go buy it. If I ever move somewhere else, my white whale setup is a matching Olympia Express grinder and lever machine. OP, a guy who thinks espresso machines are money printers and the quality is relatively unimportant, is my sworn foe.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:57
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I'm curious where the confidence comes from that you're going to consistently sell 500 espresso drinks a day. There was a coffee shop right in the middle of several government and private business centers that did brisk business and regularly had a line to the door, and I'm not sure they sold that many espresso drinks a day. They also had tea and regular coffee, so they probably did 500 drinks a day total. It was a prime location, in a building connected to three massive office buildings, it took less than two minutes for me to walk from my desk to the counter. Incredibly convenient, and almost always busy. They still struggled, then closed with Covid The shop is still empty, even though the offices have opened. Covid has changed a few things, like work from home; our union demanded permanent WFH options in our last contract negotiation and won. The only businesses in that center that avoided shutting down were the dollar store and the pizza place. Anyway, I don't see how a suburb with a median income of 41K is going to buy 500 espresso drinks a day, when a popular coffee shop in a convenient, densely-packed, urban business center didn't do numbers like that
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Oct 30, 2022 19:35
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Powerful Katrinka posted:I'm curious where the confidence comes from that you're going to consistently sell 500 espresso drinks a day. There was a coffee shop right in the middle of several government and private business centers that did brisk business and regularly had a line to the door, and I'm not sure they sold that many espresso drinks a day. They also had tea and regular coffee, so they probably did 500 drinks a day total. It was a prime location, in a building connected to three massive office buildings, it took less than two minutes for me to walk from my desk to the counter. Incredibly convenient, and almost always busy. They still struggled, then closed with Covid Hopefully, OP is familiar with sunk cost fallacy and doesn't justify moving forward based on all the poo poo he's bought already. Best case scenario is that he's been trolling the whole time.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:45
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Powerful Katrinka posted:I'm curious where the confidence comes from Rationale posted:Maybe I’m not the baddest man alive but I been fuckin his old lady and he knows about it.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:48
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500/day isn’t based on anything I just don’t want people passing by because the line is too long. Better to have and not need.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:53
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Alternately, you could spend an order of magnitude less money and get a Bunn/airpot setup.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:57
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Rationale posted:500/day isn’t based on anything I just don’t want people passing by because the line is too long. Better to have and not need. If they "pass by" at all it won't be because the line is too long. It will be because not many people in a town with a median income of $41K have the discretionary income to be spending money on "fancy" coffee and donuts made with the highest grade of bagged mix from the local Sysco truck and if they do it's certainly not going to be frequently.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:59
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When I was a teenager I would sometimes volunteer at my friend's parents coffee shop that they opened. I don't think they ever made any great profit from it, it never got tons of traffic but it did get some. We would have people from around town playing live music on Fridays and things like that. It lasted a good couple of years if I remember correctly and it was a good experience overall, at least for me. I hope it didn't bust their bank account too much. Anyway OP I am saying that I don't think you will have a revolving door of traffic but I do think it could be a good time. They also had connections with the local church to get foot traffic and they had an expert in construction work to set up some stuff, and my mother who was an artist did some of the painting (I believe for free). None of this was probably useful but it was a nice trip down memory lane!
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Oct 30, 2022 20:01
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Who would have thought that 20 years after spending $10 to stop sharing a Something Awful account, I'd be posting in a thread about a (probably) doomed coffee shop in Ohio. I wonder what high school me would think of me now.
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Oct 30, 2022 20:05
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Rationale posted:500/day isn’t based on anything I just don’t want people passing by because the line is too long. Better to have and not need. Better to not have spent money and effort on something you don't need imo. I'm absolutely in love with your lack of a business plan, though. I worked for a guy who told me with a straight face once that he doesn't need to plan because the universe is too chaotic. That bakery went out of business about two years after I was let go, because the cult he was part of stopped loaning him money. (I was let go in part to pay for a barista who attended the cult's yoga classes) My dad asked me at one point if it was a front for the cult to launder money, but the owner was just a scumbag who was bad at business Edit: food service is loving bonkers, and working for idiot psychos is par for the course Powerful Katrinka fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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Residency Evil posted:I wonder what high school me would think of me now. “Man I’m ashamed of my white noise posts”
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Oct 30, 2022 20:35
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My business plan is written here in real time with live input like the price is right and 1/6 of those people make a killing E: really more if you consider the people that make the show Rationale fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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Oct 30, 2022 20:36
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Powerful Katrinka posted:I'm curious where the confidence comes from that you're going to consistently sell 500 espresso drinks a day. There was a coffee shop right in the middle of several government and private business centers that did brisk business and regularly had a line to the door, and I'm not sure they sold that many espresso drinks a day. They also had tea and regular coffee, so they probably did 500 drinks a day total. It was a prime location, in a building connected to three massive office buildings, it took less than two minutes for me to walk from my desk to the counter. Incredibly convenient, and almost always busy. They still struggled, then closed with Covid Do you know if they have any lovely equipment they’re willing to sell?
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Oct 30, 2022 21:02
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Powerful Katrinka posted:Acquiring equipment is easy and fun, he's in the daydreaming stage of planning, and since he doesn't have a business plan, he's buying whatever strikes his fancy without knowing if he actually needs to spend the money and dedicate space for a bunch of this crap This is what I coined "Bluesky Freestyling"
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Oct 30, 2022 21:19
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Rationale posted:My business plan is written here in real time with live input like the price is right and 1/6 of those people make a killing There's actually 10 players in a game of The Price is Right, counting the new player that comes down after someone plays a pricing game. You're the dude who gets called down last, promptly bids $1 on a $450 espresso machine, then gets beaten by Sandra, a Mormon Stay at home mother of 5 who can't even drink coffee.
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Oct 30, 2022 21:25
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Rationale posted:My business plan is written here in real time with live input I don't understand why you're so against making a business plan like an adult who wants to succeed, and why you're so determined to Feed Off This poo poo instead
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Oct 30, 2022 21:55
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I wonder how many of those coffee shacks have typed up spreadsheet business plans. Also Cresent Donut does well in a town of 80,000 with average household income 41k
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Powerful Katrinka posted:I don't understand why you're so against making a business plan like an adult who wants to succeed, and why you're so determined to Feed Off This poo poo instead Good chance it’s a troll.
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Oct 30, 2022 22:15
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Blah blah blah business plan blah blah business plan just write it for me drat
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Oct 30, 2022 22:28
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Rationale posted:Blah blah blah business plan blah blah business plan just write it for me drat Do your own work
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Rationale posted:Blah blah blah business plan blah blah business plan just write it for me drat I considered it to shut them up, but I never wrote up my own so meh
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Oct 30, 2022 22:36
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CarForumPoster posted:“Man I’m ashamed of my white noise posts” You're right he would be v proud.
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Oct 30, 2022 22:39
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Powerful Katrinka posted:Do your own work A business plan is a sort of bougie prayer to ensure that someone’s labor is exploited
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Oct 30, 2022 22:41
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I know bougie has been coopted, but it is funny from an aspiring kulak
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^^ lol^^Rationale posted:A business plan is a sort of bougie prayer to ensure that someone’s labor is exploited You don't even know what a business plan is, hush your mush and do some real research and planning. You're the dumbest troll
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Oct 30, 2022 22:53
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Rationale posted:A business plan is a sort of bougie prayer to ensure that someone’s labor is exploited This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site and I'm a terrible baby brained white noise idiot so congrats I guess
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I googled business plan again and it all slid right off my buttery smooth brain again
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Rationale posted:500/day isn’t based on anything I just don’t want people passing by because the line is too long. Better to have and not need. Man who has made exactly one batch of donuts in a backyard and has no business plan or willingness to take advice: Yeah, I think the biggest problem I'll be facing is what if the shop is too busy and successful
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https://www.sba.gov/business-guide/plan-your-business/write-your-business-plan You really don't need to write the whole thing up. You should at least go through their elements and check that you've got them all. Like what sort of entity (llc etc). You should also estimate the cost of materials per donut, and the cost of labor per donut, and your overhead, to help you understand if a particular price/volume will be profitable or not E. You can also see if there's a sbdc near you and get a meeting or take a class. I think it's mostly free Epitope fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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I feel like op is trolling us now and has a full business plan and everything ready to go. At least I hope that's the case
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No I’m literally gonna buy up liquidation auctions til I feel like I have something and then apply for a permit. Borat voice my wife has a PhD in engineering psychology and worked fast food in the day There’s 350 high school kids of driving age two miles away all day The location is on the back way between two small cities The location is the most convenient coffee and donut drive-through for miles around Donuts can be sold above and beyond the building where they’re made Donut truck, leased front with a thermoglazer, special delivery hotline, subscription service, wholesale, display cases inside other businesses-donuts have growth potential
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I wanna believe in you OP, but you scare me every time you start mentioning things like second locations and food trucks while being like 0.5% of the way to a first Captain Hygiene fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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