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Musk doing a speed run on confirming my decision to leave Twitter was the right idea.
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captkirk posted:Musk doing a speed run on confirming my decision to leave Twitter was the right idea. Which one are you, Ligma or Johnson?
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Oct 29, 2022 05:37
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prom candy posted:Which one are you, Ligma or Johnson? Oh I left months ago because I figured this kind of absolute chaos was coming.
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Oct 29, 2022 08:05
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Suckers, I never even joined.
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Oct 29, 2022 09:33
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captkirk posted:Oh I left months ago because I figured this kind of absolute chaos was coming. And you missed out on le epic memester troll boss bringing a sink into the office? For shame!
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Oct 29, 2022 14:59
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prom candy posted:And you missed out on le epic memester troll boss bringing a sink into the office? For shame! You are correct, I missed out on the daily experience of having my stress levels attached to the actions and attention seeking of Elon Musk and instead spent a couple months gardening, day drinking, and chilling with my dog.
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Oct 29, 2022 15:29
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Feels like most of the devs at Twitter are working on stuff that the new CEO doesn’t care about at all so that’s going to be quite a thing. Like all their projects to compete with stuff like Clubhouse and Stories probably make up a lot of the new dev.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:16
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They'll have incredible new ideas like "hard copy code review with Elon Musk" https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1586127052767318016?s=20&t=7uhwoaz9C2Iad9lQL7QgBg
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Oct 29, 2022 18:37
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Best response in the discussion: "the clown car is now electric."
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Oct 29, 2022 19:31
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Sometimes you choose a place because you like the people, sometimes you believe in the product. Not sure why someone would choose to stay at Twitter right now.
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Oct 29, 2022 21:38
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StumblyWumbly posted:Sometimes you choose a place because you like the people, sometimes you believe in the product. Money? Also keep in mind that not everyone on earth shares the same political viewpoint as 99% of this forum and some people who work for Twitter may even like Elon Musk and agree with the direction he wants to take the company.
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Oct 29, 2022 21:43
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:Money? Adjacent to this: I'd imagine there are some engineers are who are pretty frustrated that Twitter basically delivers no meaningful features to it's users like...ever. If Elon is seen as a herald of changes to come in that regard, it might be exciting for some of those folks. Besides that, it's the devil you know and all that. And Money.
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Oct 29, 2022 22:26
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I can't remember, how long did they work on an edit button, and did they actually release it or is that feature still in closed beta?
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Oct 29, 2022 23:01
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:Money? What money? Rumor is that RSUs are frozen with no announcement of what will happen with them.
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Oct 29, 2022 23:44
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I can't remember, how long did they work on an edit button, and did they actually release it or is that feature still in closed beta? Twitter Blue has it, and given that Musk mentioned subs at being a focus, that might be the only place for it.
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Oct 30, 2022 00:31
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asur posted:What money? Rumor is that RSUs are frozen with no announcement of what will happen with them. What they should do is treat them as cash payouts at the current stock price and vesting schedule. Maybe have an immediate vesting event to build some goodwill. But if Elon is trying to thin the herd he might decide to cancel them all, who knows. What do all these nerds do all day anyway?
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Oct 30, 2022 02:03
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:Money? If you are even vaguely good you can get the same money somewhere else without a complete lunatic asking for paper printouts of your code (and expecting, what was it, 50 pages worth of code to be written in a month - is that US letter? cos that's a fuckload to ask over 20 workdays) and liable to fire you at the drop of a hat and, apparently, screw you out of your severance on top of that.
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Oct 30, 2022 14:01
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It was pointed out in another thread and I'm interested in the view here: Seems like Twitter doesn't really have code problems. They aren't losing hundreds of millions because their code is shoddy or unstable. They have business problems, so putting all the effort into code reviews seems a bit backwards.
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Oct 30, 2022 14:54
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Practically seems much easier to just use last years ratings to decide who to keep, if the goal is simply “make headcount go down.”
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Oct 30, 2022 14:56
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:Also keep in mind that not everyone on earth shares the same political viewpoint as 99% of this forum and some people who work for Twitter may even like Elon Musk and agree with the direction he wants to take the company. yeah i can totally imagine a twitter engineer who's just seething at the success of prior free-speech platforms and is eager to watch twitter turn into Gab, Truth Social, or Parler. musky's other companies aren't really known for paying top dollar either. but after you lop off the folks who know anything and folks who have better options bolt, the company might get desperate to retain anyone at all?
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Oct 30, 2022 15:22
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It could just be an effort of "who says how high when I say jump" to find his loyalists. Complain about printing your 50 pages of code? Goodbye!
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feedmegin posted:If you are even vaguely good you can get the same money somewhere else without a complete lunatic asking for paper printouts of your code (and expecting, what was it, 50 pages worth of code to be written in a month - is that US letter? cos that's a fuckload to ask over 20 workdays) and liable to fire you at the drop of a hat and, apparently, screw you out of your severance on top of that. Power move would be to bring a shredder and say that you spent most of your time deleting bad code.
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Oct 30, 2022 17:11
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I'm gonna automate myself out of a job by having a printer automatically feed all newly committed code straight into the shredder
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Oct 30, 2022 17:15
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Volmarias posted:Power move would be to bring a shredder and say that you spent most of your time deleting bad code. https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt
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Oct 30, 2022 17:17
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CPColin posted:I'm gonna automate myself out of a job by having a printer automatically feed all newly committed code straight into the shredder This but for posts
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Oct 30, 2022 17:20
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StumblyWumbly posted:It was pointed out in another thread and I'm interested in the view here: Seems like Twitter doesn't really have code problems. They aren't losing hundreds of millions because their code is shoddy or unstable. They have business problems, so putting all the effort into code reviews seems a bit backwards. i'm pretty sure I can guess what elon is thinking. twitter has 3000 engineers, and their primary product is a web site that shows 280 character long forum posts. wtf is going on with twitter engineering?
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Oct 30, 2022 17:57
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Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:i'm pretty sure I can guess what elon is thinking. twitter has 3000 engineers, and their primary product is a web site that shows 280 character long forum posts. wtf is going on with twitter engineering?
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Oct 30, 2022 18:13
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Sagacity posted:to be fair that is not an entirely unreasonable question
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Oct 30, 2022 18:47
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Yeah the UI to manage the in-house ad platform, and to manage the in-house moderation platform, probably dwarfs the actual end-user UI.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:57
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Also they have multiple UIs, both main Twitter and TweetDeck, etc.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:02
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The infrastructure you need to run Twitter at web scale is pretty substantial too.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:20
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Sagacity posted:to be fair that is not an entirely unreasonable question Yes it is. The bulk of the code is for user data aggregation and advertising. Not to mention devops and networking infrastructure.
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Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:i'm pretty sure I can guess what elon is thinking. twitter has 3000 engineers, and their primary product is a web site that shows 280 character long forum posts. wtf is going on with twitter engineering? Yeah, why does Twitter need all those engineers? All they're doing is running a website with more than 200 million users, allowing users to post text, photos, and videos with minimal latency and effectively eternal retention, with recommendation algorithms constructing a timeline and selecting ads, more ML around ranking comments and removing ToS violating posts, and there's the creation of new features, complying with privacy laws from multiple levels of governments, ensuring security of user data and of the services themselves (sometimes against nation state actors), and running the data centers themselves. All with pretty good reliability and uptime. Doesn't make sense to me! Hell, I've made Twitter over the weekend using the latest hot web framework like... 8 times. Seems easy to me!
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Oct 31, 2022 00:28
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Well said. Also their search is utterly magical. I’m always impressed with how quick I can retrieve the most obscure tweets with just a filters. Meanwhile Facebook’s has gotten phenomenally worse over the years. — Anyway, it sounds like Elon’s gonna burn it down from the inside. https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1586883942870749185?s=46&t=rI5n4CkRckkwbO0gPIKbxQ
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Oct 31, 2022 02:32
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captkirk posted:there's the creation of new features This is the one that always gets me. They'll make the tiniest of tweaks every few months and it almost always first releases as a broken pile of poo poo that nobody asked for. It sometimes feels like a case of a company creating a feature-complete product and then not knowing what to do with itself beyond that.
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Oct 31, 2022 02:36
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CPColin posted:This is the one that always gets me. They'll make the tiniest of tweaks every few months and it almost always first releases as a broken pile of poo poo that nobody asked for. It sometimes feels like a case of a company creating a feature-complete product and then not knowing what to do with itself beyond that. Hey, I'm not saying they added great features or the most useful. I'm still flabbergasted they haven't launched a worthwhile long form and monetization feature to eat the lunch of substack. Some twitter accounts are just indexes of a substack's article.
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Oct 31, 2022 03:37
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CPColin posted:This is the one that always gets me. They'll make the tiniest of tweaks every few months and it almost always first releases as a broken pile of poo poo that nobody asked for. It sometimes feels like a case of a company creating a feature-complete product and then not knowing what to do with itself beyond that. Circles are apparently pretty cool. They're also broken, so no one uses them. But in theory they're cool.
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Oct 31, 2022 06:24
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Simple way to save on Twitter employee costs: stop loving with the ordering of my timeline, and get rid of all employees working on that. Stop trying to insert "topical" tweets (no, I am not interested in Valorant, and this goes double to tweets about the results of singke series at some minor tournament), and get rid of all employees working on that. Stop loving with the UI all the time, and ...
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Xarn posted:Simple way to save on Twitter employee costs: stop loving with the ordering of my timeline, and get rid of all employees working on that. Stop trying to insert "topical" tweets (no, I am not interested in Valorant, and this goes double to tweets about the results of singke series at some minor tournament), and get rid of all employees working on that. Stop loving with the UI all the time, and ... Those are ads, just FYI.
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They want to do daily sync-ups on top of our daily standup which is now in the afternoon and includes more people than ever I mean if they want to fill up my calendar with meetings so I can't do work that's their problem I guess, long as the paychecks still come in
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