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Owlbear Camus posted:One interesting observation the Civilized Age podcast made about the costuming, hair, and their little princess leiDa is that this could be read as a rough AU sketch of Anikan and Padme's domestic life if she lived and stayed in the Senate and he never got disfigured. Yeah, I thought that was a neat observation, I could definitely see that. Also Perrin would absolutely appropriate the look and culture of a group of warrior monks to feel cool.
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Jinnigan posted:what if karn does a false flag op in order to make the empire take the rebellion more seriously Just lol if you think Karn needs to run a false flag op to get attention. That dude is about to turn the charm up and have Dedra going weak.
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Nov 3, 2022 18:21
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Madurai posted:What's the Vegas line for Luthen surviving the show? I'd cover 2:1 against him being alive by the end of the show's run without a second thought. I'm interested to learn what his whole deal is at the pace the show wants to lay it out, and think and hope everyone saying "Jedi in hiding" is wrong because that's a super boring answer.
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Nov 3, 2022 18:23
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Lobok posted:Only back in your cubby hole! What about while working! I wish the assembly hall had big hamster water bottles for each table. Take a little sip during the brief hand's off moment when the new part cycles in.
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Nov 3, 2022 18:24
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Has Star Wars always been this fashionable? Some of these outfits are on point. The outfit Kleya wore to meet Vel, Mothra's outfits the past few episodes, even Dedra's ISB jacket and hat are legit.
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Nov 3, 2022 18:26
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The Republic of Fashion, being subverted and destroyed by geezer wizards who just want to wear bathrobes all day
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Lando and his capes look like he's some rube from sticks that "got dressed up" for a job interview by tucking in his blue button down by comparison
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zoux posted:What's interesting is the throughline of "everyone's fighting their own rebellion" and the ways in which we are shown how and why people become radicalized into violent rebellion, Kino of course being the latest example. The diversity of the motivations is also very interesting, I'm not sure you have two people who are choosing revolution for the same reason. Mon Mothma is a bleeding heart, we don't exactly know what Luthen's motivation is but it seems to be retribution, Andor's a thief, Lev and Cinta seem to be young and angry style of college leftists, one bougie one not, with Nemik being the intellectual style of college leftist. I like that there are motivations which are noble, motivations which are greedy, motivations that are ideological, and motivations that are personal. Wasn't it mentioned that stormtroopers murdered everyone in her family? I think that's a bit more than angry college leftist. Sash! posted:I sort of wonder what the flavor is because I assume it is vanilla. Which might as well be no flavor. Introducing a brand new flavor. It tastes like... level 2  Also what the gently caress vanilla is a great flavor. You are now sentenced to 100 cycles of labor for dissing vanilla.
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Madurai posted:What's the Vegas line for Luthen surviving the show? Isn't Andor introduced to Jyn in Rogue One as head of Intelligence?Which is kinda like what Luthen is good at? Andor inherits the mantle? Or according in the hopes of AMC; He drops his fake accent and and finally talks in his natural southern drawl, puts the sky kyber into a lightsaber and confronts Palp in a last ditch effort for Mon to escape. He was Rael Aveross all along!
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Owlbear Camus posted:I literally think that their dynamic is that she has only very, very thinly veiled resentment toward him. One thing to read between the lines is that she is a single mother and dad is never mentioned. Whether he was never in the picture and she blames him for being an obligation in her best years; whether there was a divorce and he blames her for driving him away, there's something going on there. Not only is he a loser and a poor "investment," he hasn't given her grandkids yet and probably never will.
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Nov 3, 2022 18:37
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Ash1138 posted:I'm kind of dense so this is probably obvious to everyone, but when she was asking him about his "prospects," I don't think she was just talking about his career opportunities. I don't think he'd share it with Mother, but I do have to wonder how she'd respond to "Actually I DO have a girlfriend, I touched her arm and everything and she's an ISB supervisor!" I could see it going either way: - "Oh, highly placed! A career woman, a very good match Cyril!" or - "A careerist? No no no, cyril, you need someone more traditional, who will stay home and prepare two meals for you and help you start a family." Probably the latter, simply because she cannot be pleased. And if he said he'd dumped her for an aspiring tradwife, she'd completely 180 and say she liked the other one better.
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Karn is so perfectly encapsulating the foot soldier of fascism, some loser wiener kid who has no social skills and misinterprets no one liking him as a they problem, not me problem. They latch themselves onto authority because they mistake power over people as respect, and are angry and confused when they have those positions and they don't elicit the respect and admiration they think they deserve. His simping for Dedre is probably half "omg she thinks just like me, cares about standing between order and chaos and" and half "omg a woman actually talked to me, and knows my name AND DID SOMETHING NICE FOR ME" even though it was not anything more than her most basic job. Its like those incels that think because a woman said good morning to them, that they're going to get married and she will become his trad wife. He is so socially and emotionally stunted that even this professional contact with a woman has given him all the wrong ideas. Dedre is evil and a monster and is fully committed to the most evil regime imaginable, but she doesn't deserve to have some creepy dude stalking her. Kino being "nope, keep your head down, do you job and you'll get out" and as soon as he hears the reality of the situation, is instantly "gently caress this" was great. He thought that the Empire would play by its own rules, that this was an honest game that they were in. Lol nope, like all fash they'll give the hope of life and freedom to their victims. As Cassian points out constantly, no ones listening, they don't care, they just care the parts are coming out of the rooms and the rooms are meeting their quota, they don't give a poo poo about whats being said or anything. A big theme of this is the Empire is completely complacent and arrogant, that they cannot imagine their power would be challenged. Which is why Dedre is scary because she's not complacent and sees a bigger picture. The Empire thinks that their prison is so clever, that is very nature will keep the prisoners complacent and pacified, working mindlessly thinking that escape is hopeless and they just need to do their jobs. Breaking out next week is going to be fantastic. One thing I am a bit confused by, is that they use "fry" to mean both just shocking the prisoners and killing them. We saw the slowest table get fried in this episode, but they clearly aren't dead, but they said that floor 2 got fried and they were all dead. its just confusing vernacular.
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twistedmentat posted:One thing I am a bit confused by, is that they use "fry" to mean both just shocking the prisoners and killing them. We saw the slowest table get fried in this episode, but they clearly aren't dead, but they said that floor 2 got fried and they were all dead. its just confusing vernacular. They explained it when Andor first arrived in episode 8. There's 3 levels to the electrocution. The lowest level is the punishment for being too slow and what was demonstrated on them when they arrived. I assume the highest level is what floor gets set to at night and what they used on level 2. e: Jinnigan posted:yeah they need to differentiate between fried and toast iirc Kino told the slowest table to get in the box this episode, so presumably there's a designated section of the center of the room for the punishment. Slashrat fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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yeah they need to differentiate between fried and toast also i hadn't realized that the floor can selectively fry people (or sections?), i'd thought it was an all or none collective punishment
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it’s stir fry vs deep fry, how crispy the end result is
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I'm curious to see where the Cyril Figgus-rear end torture doctor ends up. This doesn't seem like the kind of show that would say information produced by torture is A-1 prime intelligence so if the ISB jumps on what Bix or the rebel pilot divulged I can see that backfiring. Maybe the doctor and his research get eliminated because it doesn't actually get results. Owlbear Camus posted:I don't think he'd share it with Mother, but I do have to wonder how she'd respond to "Actually I DO have a girlfriend, I touched her arm and everything and she's an ISB supervisor!" twistedmentat posted:Kino being "nope, keep your head down, do you job and you'll get out" and as soon as he hears the reality of the situation, is instantly "gently caress this" was great. He thought that the Empire would play by its own rules, that this was an honest game that they were in. Lol nope, like all fash they'll give the hope of life and freedom to their victims. As Cassian points out constantly, no ones listening, they don't care, they just care the parts are coming out of the rooms and the rooms are meeting their quota, they don't give a poo poo about whats being said or anything. A big theme of this is the Empire is completely complacent and arrogant, that they cannot imagine their power would be challenged. Also "The Empire doesn't consider a small, one-man fighter to be any threat. Or they'd have a tighter defense."
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Lady Empire FBI sees Crispen Glover as an asset and I can't loving wait for it to backfire on her in spectacular fashion. "Well, Mr. Rael, you can't say Coruscant doesn't love you!"
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zoux posted:lol. They're both wire mommies tho. It wasn't because this episode in specific imo, it just is word of mouth in general that has been slooowly accumulating since episode 3 onwards, week by week. And now finally it is reaching enough audience to generate good amounts of internet hype and discussion.
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twistedmentat posted:Kino being "nope, keep your head down, do you job and you'll get out" and as soon as he hears the reality of the situation, is instantly "gently caress this" was great. He thought that the Empire would play by its own rules, that this was an honest game that they were in. Lol nope, like all fash they'll give the hope of life and freedom to their victims. As Cassian points out constantly, no ones listening, they don't care, they just care the parts are coming out of the rooms and the rooms are meeting their quota, they don't give a poo poo about whats being said or anything. A big theme of this is the Empire is completely complacent and arrogant, that they cannot imagine their power would be challenged. Which is why Dedre is scary because she's not complacent and sees a bigger picture. The Empire thinks that their prison is so clever, that is very nature will keep the prisoners complacent and pacified, working mindlessly thinking that escape is hopeless and they just need to do their jobs. Breaking out next week is going to be fantastic. I really liked that they didn't (and didn't need to) give Kino some big hokey speech about his change of heart, either. His reasons for changing his mind were perfectly evident from the events of the episode, and his change of heart didn't need to be conveyed any other way than he starts answering Andor's questions. Heck, they didn't even really give Andor a big cheesy recruitment pitch, it was just 'this place is a nightmare, help us get out' on repeat. It's so well done.
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evenworse username posted:I really liked that they didn't (and didn't need to) give Kino some big hokey speech about his change of heart, either. His reasons for changing his mind were perfectly evident from the events of the episode, and his change of heart didn't need to be conveyed any other way than he starts answering Andor's questions. Rogue One's famous line is "rebellions are built on hope" so its interesting to contrast that Kino's obedience is also built on hope. Once that hope is gone, well,
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The whole episode I kept expecting someone to get their hand crushed by the machinery. I'm sure it's just an easy way to keep up the fiction that they are working on some industrial the whole time, but there were the bits were Ulaf couldn't raise his hands anymore and I was so sure we'd see a tired old man get his hand mauled. This probably isn't the show to do that, just a bit to gorey and borderline slaptick-y, but I couldn't stop dreading it everytime someone said "Hands clear". Dedra's actress really sold me on how hyper aware that Karn encounter made her. It just felt like she suddenly realized that she is surrounded by people like Karn, especially inher own staff. The bit where her assistant buts in with the whole "He was clean shaven" was just like Karn's whole "It was a grey green cloak", just the most useless, tenious piece of evidence they have convinced themself is important because it's what they can bring to the table. Then greeting her at the door like a puppy with his new lead, looking for that head pat from Dedra, right after the stalking scene and her own sudden awareness of who he reminded her of.
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How does transferring people work though? I get there was mix up and the worker who was released from Level 4 was sent to Level 2. But wouldn't the worker talk anyway about being released and then taken to another work site instead?
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I'm not sure there are many coherent wise things you can say about hope at this point. "Wanting things you think would be good to happen" is mostly too broad and cross-cutting of an emotional category to ascribe only to events or people you like
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Gilroy, please give me a scene of Karn's Mom and Dedra. I beg of you.
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Dexo posted:Gilroy, please give me a scene of Karn's Mom and Dedra. The real dinner party
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Denim Avenger posted:The whole episode I kept expecting someone to get their hand crushed by the machinery. I'm sure it's just an easy way to keep up the fiction that they are working on some industrial the whole time, but there were the bits were Ulaf couldn't raise his hands anymore and I was so sure we'd see a tired old man get his hand mauled. This probably isn't the show to do that, just a bit to gorey and borderline slaptick-y, but I couldn't stop dreading it everytime someone said "Hands clear". my friend commented that ulaf's stroke was probably a compromise between "workplace death" and "no gore on Disney+"
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"andor is the star wars show for adults" oh yeah well then how come they don't have the balls to show a degloving accident
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Burning_Monk posted:How does transferring people work though? I get there was mix up and the worker who was released from Level 4 was sent to Level 2. But wouldn't the worker talk anyway about being released and then taken to another work site instead? I think they were meant to be transferred to a floor of one of the other prisons instead of another floor of the same They instead of rotating them in amd out forever it's probably like one prison, if you surive that you got to another one, after that you're probably killed or/and set free but I doubt many make it through two sentances. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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Jinnigan posted:my friend commented that ulaf's stroke was probably a compromise between "workplace death" and "no gore on Disney+" I thought it was strange because it's by far the most mundane way someone has ever died in star wars, I didn't even know you could get strokes over there
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zoux posted:I thought it was strange because it's by far the most mundane way someone has ever died in star wars, I didn't even know you could get strokes over there I dunno, Yoda died of old age. That's pretty normal.
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Burning_Monk posted:How does transferring people work though? I get there was mix up and the worker who was released from Level 4 was sent to Level 2. But wouldn't the worker talk anyway about being released and then taken to another work site instead? Narkina 5 is a “low security” prison. The inmates are kept in line by only “mild” punitive measures and the hope of seeing their countdowns tick down day by day knowing that they’ll be released eventually. Low-sec prisoners “released” under PORD are probably being shipped to prisons with much more active and harsher enforcement and obedience countermeasures where the inmates are already lifers or living with the mantra of “obey, work or die” instead of Narkina’s “obey, work, and one day freedom.” And yes, Narkina has lethal enforcement too with the floors, it sucks, but it’s still the “nice” prison.
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Whether or not they are allowed to do gore I think the stroke gets the narrative to where it needs to be in neater fashion rather than have some big SNL-style spraying of blood everywhere that disrupts everything. With the stroke he just dies undignified in a prison hallway barely even noticed by the guards. It also helps that dying by "natural" causes hammers home how they're all stuck there for the rest of their lives. Accident or no, they're going to die there. Kino doesn't have 200 days left before he's free. He has 200 days left before his next 10,000 days begin.
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I think the hands thing was there to make us dread and anticipate a maiming happening, then when they have poor Ulaf go down to a stroke it’s just that much more unexpected.
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I'm unclear if the prisoner recycling was always how it was done or if it was just done because of the new laws passed in the wake of Aldhani. I'm pretty sure it's the latter because I imagine the first dude to get recycled would be like "uh, guys, guess what just happened to me".
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Dexo posted:You are blessed to not have a mom like this. Yeah. Really familiar poo poo. You got to realize that everything they're saying and thinking is thru the lens of "will this benefit me in some way", and that their children are really just ways to burnish themselves.
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Jinnigan posted:"andor is the star wars show for adults" oh yeah well then how come they don't have the balls to show a degloving accident They are teasing us with severed fingers every single time one of those parts rises out the table.
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