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There is no fundamental difference between a self professed 'progressive' who voted for Biden and a self professed 'conservative' who voted for Walker. In both cases the only reason you are voting for a scrambled brain shithead is that they represent your party against someone even more ideologically opposed to you. Biden voters are the same as Walker voters. Actually, no, Walker voters are better than Biden voters, because Walker doesn't have a five decades long legislative career opposing everything progressives claim to want while enabling a litany of horrible poo poo. Walker is just some football shithead who kept his abuse strictly personal while Biden made his abuse everyone's problem. Herschel Walker voters have more personal integrity than progressives who voted for Joe Biden.
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Cerebral Bore posted:where's the lie? i always like it when i get my quotes edited like this because i like to imagine a cat in glasses fading in and out while talking in clips like he's in a 'previously on' segment
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christmas boots posted:This is still crazy to me. We had a high turnout primary just two months ago where she got over half the vote -- and it's a top two primary so all the candidates are on every ballot. Maybe it really has gotten that close but that's such a huge reversal in a fairly short time it's kind of hard to believe. Honestly, I think Murray will make it across the finish line, but it is going to be a hilarious nail biter. Nucleic Acids has issued a correction as of 15:58 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:Honestly, I think Murray will make it across the finish line, but it is going to be a hilarious nail biter. I don’t know if Kotek will make it though. If 538 gives a lead to Republican in a blue state, it usually isn’t a great sign.
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Noob Saibot posted:Also more right wingers would have been more inclined to get vaxxed he literally got booed at his rally when he said the vaccines were good
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Nov 3, 2022 16:59
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christmas boots posted:he literally got booed at his rally when he said the vaccines were good After months of right wing media fearmongering over vaccines in order to sabotage the pandemic response under a Democrat and sell snake oil. The right wing media landscape probably looks pretty different if Trump won and a working vaccine makes him look strong
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Honestly, the Dems need to dehumanize Republicans like they've done to liberals / leftists. It's the only way to get the fucks like Manchin in line. When his voter base is calling him a traitor, only then will he forget about getting fat checks from coal barons. Also direct a lot of this poo poo at SCOTUS imho I don't know how many times everyone else has to tell you that the democrats could be doing any of hundreds of things to better implement a progressive agenda and the real obstacle is that they do not want to implement the progressive agenda Dem leadership could have dunked manchin and sinema into irrelevance at any point but chose not to because the party largely agrees with them speaking of SCOTUS remember when we all get a month's warning that they were about to overturn roe vs wade and the SINGLE response that the democratic party managed at any level was to make it illegal to publicly confront justices, accomplished by giving more money to cops to protect them lmfao the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 17:30 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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VitalSigns posted:After months of right wing media fearmongering over vaccines in order to sabotage the pandemic response under a Democrat and sell snake oil. I tend to agree with this analysis but I could just as easily see it not. It's not that I don't think your logic's sound, it's that I've learned to never underestimate a chud's ability to be irrational.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:I don't know how many times everyone else has to tell you It's almost like they argue in bad faith
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the bitcoin of weed posted:I don't know how many times everyone else has to tell you that the democrats could be doing any of hundreds of things to better implement a progressive agenda and the real obstacle is that they do not want to implement the progressive agenda my favorite (well, ykwim) talking point is that they have to keep manchin and sinema on board because when it truly matters, then vote with the dems. from this we can conclude that none of the poo poo that they oppose (medicare, min wage, doing literally anything help the average american) doesn't matter to the dem leadership.
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Brandon Proust posted:my favorite (well, ykwim) talking point is that they have to keep manchin and sinema on board because when it truly matters, then vote with the dems. from this we can conclude that none of the poo poo that they oppose (medicare, min wage, doing literally anything help the average american) doesn't matter to the dem leadership. While you aren't wrong, the argument goes that they have to keep them around in order to maintain control of the body, and thus things like committee chairs and whatnot.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Honestly, the Dems need to dehumanize Republicans like they've done to liberals / leftists. It's the only way to get the fucks like Manchin in line. When his voter base is calling him a traitor, only then will he forget about getting fat checks from coal barons. Also direct a lot of this poo poo at SCOTUS imho uhhh yeah, okay, and just give up on bipartisanship?? are you smoking friggin crack or something????? we need joe biden because he's the only one who can reach across the aisles, which is why u need to shut up and VOTE!!!!
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LastInLine posted:I tend to agree with this analysis but I could just as easily see it not. It's not that I don't think your logic's sound, it's that I've learned to never underestimate a chud's ability to be irrational. Oh yeah there'd still be the QAnon chunk of them who only like Trump because he's willing to give lip service to conspiracy theories, the Ben Garrison types who would just say Fauci is blackmailing him into saying the vaccine is good but if you decode the 15th letter in every tweet etc etc But I think you'd have seen Tucker Carlson and that set say it's your patriotic duty to get the shot, especially if liberals were doubting it VitalSigns has issued a correction as of 17:55 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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the nevada election oracle guy more-or-less saying stick a fork in the dems at this point and obama's big rally did absolutely nothing for them lol https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1588205676643262465?cxt=HHwWgoClqb6puIosAAAA
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christmas boots posted:he literally got booed at his rally when he said the vaccines were good Yea but those are the real hicks Suburban trump voters would have vaxxed up
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LastInLine posted:While you aren't wrong, the argument goes that they have to keep them around in order to maintain control of the body, and thus things like committee chairs and whatnot. Nah for a while they were saying Manchin is never the deciding vote, he only votes against democratic priorities when they will fail anyway, to trick all the morons in West Virginia, but he always votes party line when needed. They even had that Manchin Cycle meme to bring out as a thought terminating cliche anytime someone noticed he was blocking something  At least until he actually did kill all that stuff, then I stopped seeing the meme, weird
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VitalSigns posted:Nah for a while they were saying Manchin is never the deciding vote, he only votes against democratic priorities when they will fail anyway, to trick all the morons in West Virginia, but he always votes party line when needed. They even had that Manchin Cycle meme to bring out as a thought terminating cliche anytime someone noticed he was blocking something Liberals are just so loving stupid. I'd say this can't be real but of course I know the truth.
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Apraxin posted:the nevada election oracle guy more-or-less saying stick a fork in the dems at this point and obama's big rally did absolutely nothing for them lol red Nevada in 2024, you heard it here first folks
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Weka posted:Would somebody be so kind as to walk me through this? GOP chuds would have gotten more vaccinations under their president's vaccine More significantly Dems would have continued taking COVID seriously, instead of going back to brunch and pretending COVID is over to keep the DNC lies going. With Biden in charge, they were equally as stupid and monstrous as the GOP voters they hate. Biden said he was going to beat the virus and open the economy, so they dutifully threw grandma into the pyre.
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https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1540208469629861888 thermostat politics baby
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I do agree that the Dems ultimately probably had more to do with people no longer confiding at all in science with their stupid bullshit about everything solved and then throwing covid into the dustbin. But i dont know chuds are seriously anti-vaccine its been decades of this maybe some would of listened but overall i still think it would been a shitshow.
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FistEnergy posted:More significantly Dems would have continued taking COVID seriously, instead of going back to brunch  if you actually believe thisAmericans are addicted to treats, both sides of the aisle
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Phone posted:https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1540208469629861888 I love how these morons don't even pay attention to what they are posting. Is there a partisan effect to "consumer confidence?" Sure. But even the relatively meaningless trend lines for consumer confidence show that its lower than it was in 2016. Of course, "consumer confidence" isn't "material conditions." Things like median adjusted income are, and do I have news on that front...
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Phone posted:https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1540208469629861888 lol some partisan bullshit is not material conditions. are daily necessities way more loving expensive now than they were 6 mos ago? yes are the people in power aggressively attempting to address that in a way that helps regular people? no alright, then why the gently caress would they vote for the people in power. poo poo's not rocket science.
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Phone posted:https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1540208469629861888 what is the Y axis here lol
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:what is the Y axis here lol to throw out a wild guess i'd say that it's bullshit
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:red Nevada in 2024, you heard it here first folks I think the more significant, yet related, trend is the hispanic vote going red in the southwest. the gop has been courting them like crazy since before 2020 even, and dems & libs have shrugged it off as hispanics "voting against their interests" or calling them "low-info voters." I was pointing out in dnd a year ago how the RNC was opening community centers in hispanic areas & holding free-pizza-and-register-to-vote nights & was mocked by the usual suspects for thinking that the browns would ever be stupid enough to vote for the people who put them into concentration camps at the border (not that they have a choice when it comes to the parties, lol).
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:what is the Y axis here lol
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Relentlessboredomm posted:lol some partisan bullshit is not material conditions. we just need two more senators
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Willa Rogers posted:I think the more significant, yet related, trend is the hispanic vote going red in the southwest. I know some Dems have made claims like increased Hispanic immigration is in their electoral interests but how much has the party overall actively pursued it as a way to win elections? Coolness Averted posted:Biden's pledge to reopen within 100 days of taking office and sending all the kids back to the plague pits for the last weeks of the school year killed and maimed people. Thanks, I often miss details of USA domestic politics. Grandpa Palpatine posted:Honestly, the Dems need to be destroyed.
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First Dems laugh off GOP attempts to court a group right out from under them because it can't work, they know the Republicans hate them, they're not going to vote against their own interests! We don't even have to try to get their votes, they have to vote against the Republicans Until the day they get fed up enough with the Dems that Republicans win big, and Dems instantly write them off as too stupid to even try to appeal to because what can you do with morons who voted against their own interests.
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Willa Rogers posted:the gop has been courting them like crazy since before 2020 even, and dems & libs have shrugged it off as hispanics "voting against their interests" This has long been a pet peeve of mine. Even if you really believe it, you don't say out loud "you idiots would vote for us if you just understood your actual needs and wants." There's no faster way to make someone hate you than to tell them you understand their lives better than they do.
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Euronymous posted:do democrats understand that the whole 'denying elections' and 'muh democracy' stuff is kinda weird coming from folks that denied the 2016 election for half a decade? they were doing that before 2016 too, everyone assumed Hillary was going to win lol
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Euronymous posted:do democrats understand that the whole 'denying elections' and 'muh democracy' stuff is kinda weird coming from folks that denied the 2016 election for half a decade? no but if you're unlucky enough to say that within earshot of one you'll get an hours-long lesson in why that's different
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I like how Thomas Frank's book "Listen, Liberal" includes Bill Clinton's infamous quote on the working class, "They have nowhere else to go!" when the book was republished after the 2016 election, Frank added a new chapter at the end, called "The Day They Found Somewhere Else To Go"
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