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fast cars loose anus posted:This has long been a pet peeve of mine. Even if you really believe it, you don't say out loud "you idiots would vote for us if you just understood your actual needs and wants." There's no faster way to make someone hate you than to tell them you understand their lives better than they do. I'm not sure they even deigned anything beyond assume that any nonwhite person would do anything other than vote for the democrats. the dems telling latino voters they know what's best for them is a level of regard above what the dems have for any constituent who isn't a coastal property owner with a postgrad degree.
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Willa Rogers posted:I think the more significant, yet related, trend is the hispanic vote going red in the southwest. it doesn't help that the "interests" in this case are immigration policies, which: - doesn't really affect the voting population unless they have undocumented relatives and even then it's easy to just be like gently caress you got mine you should've done it right, and - the democrats have not actually addressed in any way beyond making a lot of noise about the immigrant concentration camps right up until they got into power when they suddenly became friendly neighborhood detention centers
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Willa Rogers posted:I think the more significant, yet related, trend is the hispanic vote going red in the southwest.
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Nov 3, 2022 21:48
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HallelujahLee posted:lets assume the average voter doesn't know this what exactly have the dems done and offered to protect our farce of a democracy They convinced the intelligence agencies to use blm/rainbow flags against trump Your $15k yr slave wage job with no benefits doesn’t matter now
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Nov 3, 2022 21:51
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:I like how Thomas Frank's book "Listen, Liberal" includes Bill Clinton's infamous quote on the working class, "They have nowhere else to go!" I read this edition of the book in like 2017 and its eerie how good it is
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Weka posted:I know some Dems have made claims like increased Hispanic immigration is in their electoral interests but how much has the party overall actively pursued it as a way to win elections? no, the democrats just assume that they're owed the votes of all minorities everywhere
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Nov 3, 2022 22:00
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Euronymous posted:do democrats understand that the whole 'denying elections' and 'muh democracy' stuff is kinda weird coming from folks that denied the 2016 election for half a decade? no, bc they have the institutional memory of gnats.  ELECTION DENIALISM IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY!
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Willa Rogers posted:no, bc they have the institutional memory of gnats. lmao
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Weka posted:I know some Dems have made claims like increased Hispanic immigration is in their electoral interests but how much has the party overall actively pursued it as a way to win elections? dems have only actively pursued it thru the lib lenses of "all they care about is immigration, bc they once had family members immigrate," when hispanic voters care about the same things that other voters care about. fast cars loose anus posted:This has long been a pet peeve of mine. Even if you really believe it, you don't say out loud "you idiots would vote for us if you just understood your actual needs and wants." There's no faster way to make someone hate you than to tell them you understand their lives better than they do. "voting against their interests," "self-hating minorities" and "low-info voters" are all disgusting & patronizing phrases.
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dems keep thinking latinos are a monolithic bloc and they 100% are not
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there have been so many of these stories, but I haven't seen this one yet so thx. HallelujahLee posted:dems keep thinking latinos are a monolithic bloc and they 100% are not they also think that the only conservative latinos are older cubans, who are rapidly dying out as a voting force.
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Nov 3, 2022 22:16
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Willa Rogers posted:I think the more significant, yet related, trend is the hispanic vote going red in the southwest. Its weird to assume that racial solidarity exists in the first place, much less that its some immutable force. Many Hispanics believe the path to acceptability lies in throwing others under the bus for not following the rules, even if the rules are unjust and arbitrary and they personally suffered from them.
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Nov 3, 2022 22:51
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If only they were upper-middle class college educated whites, the only virtuous group of voters.
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Subvisual Haze posted:If only they were upper-middle class college educated whites, the only virtuous group of voters. Upper middle class college educated whites also believe the path to respectability lies in throwing others under the bus for not following the rules, *especially* if the rules are unjust and arbitrary and they personally suffered from them.
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ah yes the progressive left who simultaneously are have no power in the democrat party but also are the dominant force guiding the party's agenda
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Euronymous posted:do democrats understand that the whole 'denying elections' and 'muh democracy' stuff is kinda weird coming from folks that denied the 2016 election for half a decade? Don't forget blatantly rigging the 2020 primaries! I know I haven't!
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Willa Rogers posted:no, bc they have the institutional memory of gnats. Don't forget that the Dems believe that the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen as well. 2004 is especially funny since Diebold voting machines went from obvious tools of Republican cheating that should be banned, to infallible instruments of democracy and if you question their security you are doing a treason.
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Nov 3, 2022 23:27
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HallelujahLee posted:dems keep thinking latinos are a monolithic bloc and they 100% are not They've never called a Nicaraguan a Mexican and it shows.
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Nov 3, 2022 23:44
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The 2000 election was literally stolen though, in a manner so flagrant that calling it a conspiracy is giving the theft too much credit. Mainstream dems almost immediately shut up about it and accepted it, legitimizing outright political fraud. Meanwhile in 2016 they threw a shitfit over foreigners not using the proper channels for dark money campaigning and cast doubt on the entire electoral process despite four years of investigations never yielding any evidence of vote tampering. Then in 2020 voting was the most secure ever and it was not only absurd but seditious to suggest voting might be compromised.
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In Training posted:Tbf the 2000 election was blatantly stolen by the judicial branch In close collaboration with Republican election officials in FL. The Supreme Court has never particularly been a valid institution but that was the moment it became completely compromised, and nothing will ever reverse that.
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Dixon Chisholm posted:They've never called a Nicaraguan a Mexican and it shows. i dont think they ever spoken to them beyond yelling VOTE i vaguely recall weird shenanigans in the 2004 election as well maybe not as pronounced as the 2000 steal i might be confusing both at this point though its been too many years
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HallelujahLee posted:i dont think they ever spoken to them beyond yelling VOTE The 2004 Ohio exit polls badly missed and a ton of people were convinced that the Diebold voting machines (owned by a rnc donor) were rigged Easily the funniest stolen election theory was that lady in Wisconsin who magically came up with the perfect number to get walker elected, except she was really was an incompetent idiot with no internet who turned the votes in days late
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HallelujahLee posted:i dont think they ever spoken to them beyond yelling VOTE in 2004 they had first gen diebold machines
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Jeb Bush being governor of the state that handed George Bush the victory under extremely controversial circumstances and everyone just brushing it off as a weird coincidence but no reason to question the legitimacy of our political institutions will never not be funny. Facebook ads being bought by anonymous money from questionable sources *not* organized under section 527 of the tax code though? Clear evidence of unforgiveable election fraud!
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Lmao at poo poo like this , totally memory holed On January 6, 2005, Senator Barbara Boxer of California joined Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio in filing a congressional objection to the certification of Ohio's Electoral College votes due to alleged irregularities including disqualification of provisional ballots, alleged misallocation of voting machines, and disproportionally long waits in poor and predominantly African-American communities.
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mastershakeman posted:The 2004 Ohio exit polls badly missed and a ton of people were convinced that the Diebold voting machines (owned by a rnc donor) were rigged Real hurthling! posted:in 2004 they had first gen diebold machines thanks for clearing that up HallelujahLee has issued a correction as of 00:24 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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ok that was then and this is now stop trying to distract from the fact that this is the most important election ever
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mastershakeman posted:The 2004 Ohio exit polls badly missed and a ton of people were convinced that the Diebold voting machines (owned by a rnc donor) were rigged that guy also announced that he would do everything he could to elect dubya
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joepinetree posted:I love how these morons don't even pay attention to what they are posting. Is there a partisan effect to "consumer confidence?" Sure. But even the relatively meaningless trend lines for consumer confidence show that its lower than it was in 2016. Of course, "consumer confidence" isn't "material conditions." Things like median adjusted income are, and do I have news on that front... this guy in particular was posting through it earlier in the year and was trying to be the twitter main character of the day. i’ll have to dig up his greatest hits in a bit, but i was trying to find a/the graph that just shows that it’s team sports; literal red team vs blue team garbage. e: this was the graph i was trying to find 
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fast cars loose anus posted:This has long been a pet peeve of mine. Even if you really believe it, you don't say out loud "you idiots would vote for us if you just understood your actual needs and wants." There's no faster way to make someone hate you than to tell them you understand their lives better than they do. ah, but the difference is that 2016 was actually illegitimate vs 2020 which was legitimate
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HallelujahLee posted:dems keep thinking latinos are a monolithic bloc and they 100% are not ive always loved this. there's something beautiful in the logic of: latinos won't vote for republicans who are racist, they'll be forced to vote for dems who understand and relate to them as regular people of a homogenous ethnic & cultural background and also it's Latinx the way dems manage to be racist at the technocratic level is really something to behold
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Relentlessboredomm posted:ive always loved this. there's something beautiful in the logic of: they are incredibly stupid and racist and it pisses off people even more because on top of that their smug about it
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Democrats have two modes: lecturing that this is the Most Important Election Of Our Lifetime (tm, all rights reserved) and condescending to people who should be in their coalition.
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Based on my interactions on jobsites with Latinos from all of South and Central America, I can tell you what they want as a group. Give them this and you will win forever: more beer money, more weed money, more money to chase women, more time to grill and watch sports. That's also the exact same thing white and black construction workers want. Wonder what the common thread between the groups and their wants are...
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Dixon Chisholm posted:Based on my interactions on jobsites with Latinos from all of South and Central America, I can tell you what they want as a group. Give them this and you will win forever: more beer money, more weed money, more money to chase women, more time to grill and watch sports. Hmm. Thats the platform Lula won with, and we all know he was a corrupt communist who hates Ukraine, so its probably pure evil or something. No, we're running on tax credits for small business owners this cycle
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Dixon Chisholm posted:Based on my interactions on jobsites with Latinos from all of South and Central America, I can tell you what they want as a group. Give them this and you will win forever: more beer money, more weed money, more money to chase women, more time to grill and watch sports. sickening machismo
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I loving hate these pieces, Latino's aren't a monolith, even if they may be moving in similar directions, The idiotic conclusion is always "we gotta get more conservative" and never once considers addressing straightforward material concerns that are routinely mentioned.
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