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Ciprian Maricon posted:I loving hate these pieces, Latino's aren't a monolith, even if they may be moving in similar directions, The idiotic conclusion is always "we gotta get more conservative" and never once considers addressing straightforward material concerns that are routinely mentioned. they recognize how racist it is to do that and then do it in the article i mean its the atlantic no should be surprised
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Nix Panicus posted:Hmm. Thats the platform Lula won with, and we all know he was a corrupt communist who hates Ukraine, so its probably pure evil or something. someone post that tweet about making a fried steak and having a party
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The other thing that I hate about those articles are that they always complain about green energy or tans rights or whatever topic is deemed as "off putting" to Latinos as if the Democratic party makes anything more than the shittiest and minimal efforts to defend those issues in the national space. It's always some dumb cliche about how the party can still "be about those things" just "not so much" but if the Democrats talked any less about trans rights for example THEY'D NEVER TALK ABOUT IT AT ALL. All the national effort and messaging is about how everything got fixed and America is good now and inflation got beaten and these assholes act like Joe Biden is out there talking about trans rights and electric cars everyday
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That article didn't mention trans rights anywhere I saw, but had a ton of references to racial equity which did make me wonder if Dem messaging on racial equity in southern states ever includes Hispanic/Latino. Because it sure seems like it doesn't despite the prominence of people like AOC
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the Democrats are going to be destroyed in 5 days, and will wonder why?? why??? but everyone who reads this thread already knows why
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World War Mammories posted:sickening machismo Even the women want those things too!
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Dixon Chisholm posted:Even the women want those things too! internalized misogyny is p sad
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Dumb American voters desire the end of our sacred democracy (please God free us from unending hell)
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Democrats that matter are professional class strivers and most Latino voters just don't have the academic pedegree for them to give a poo poo
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I loving hate these pieces, Latino's aren't a monolith, even if they may be moving in similar directions, The idiotic conclusion is always "we gotta get more conservative" and never once considers addressing straightforward material concerns that are routinely mentioned. there are some good quotes that go beyond the reflexive "we gotta get more conservative": quote:“The past few years, our young people have been registering as independents. More than 50 percent of them. We have the data,” Ortega said. “These voters, the future of our community, they are abandoning us. And honestly,” he paused, with a grimace, “I don’t blame them.”
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 Climate change is nearly twice the lean Dem numbers for foreign policy. Yeah, Latinos really hate green energy better talk about China and Ukraine more! FuzzySlippers has issued a correction as of 03:16 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:there are some good quotes that go beyond the reflexive "we gotta get more conservative": oh wow promising sweeping reforms that never materialize? The Dems? Surely not
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Willa Rogers posted:there are some good quotes that go beyond the reflexive "we gotta get more conservative": I feel like we took very different messages away from that piece. quote:They are not here because the sea levels are rising, or because of social justice, or anything else. We’re out there talking about racism and the Green New Deal and defunding the police, and we’re freaking them out.” quote:Garcia pointed to 2018, when Democrats nominated Andrew Gillum for governor—a candidate endorsed by Bernie Sanders. Garcia and his fellow Democrats in Miami could already recite the attacks on Gillum as a sleeper socialist.... quote:Progressive policies—around climate, or guns, or even immigration—might poll well with the liberal, college-educated wing of the party. But they might also continue to alienate the working class, including the Hispanic working class, from the Democratic brand quote:“How do you feel,” Sarita Perales, an administrator from the local hospital, asked, “about the Biden open-border policy?” I think this is what were going to be hearing about for the next two years from the very smart adults in the room who are just having to make hard and realistic choices
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Willa Rogers posted:there are some good quotes that go beyond the reflexive "we gotta get more conservative": Join the club They do that to everyone except billionaires
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Relentlessboredomm posted:ive always loved this. there's something beautiful in the logic of: in the lead up to 2016, all of the Serious People In The Room wouldn't shut the gently caress up about blue texas and destiny demographics
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I feel like we took very different messages away from that piece. oh, you were right from the jump that the story angle is about social conservatism, but as with other ways that democrats try to mirror republicans, moving right on social issues won't restore their lost hispanic votes. I think the overarching problem is one of trust, because hispanic voters see dems only paying attention to them around election time, and have taken their votes for granted. that's what's allowing the gop to make inroads, at the community level; they're simply paying attention to these voters & their needs. this was what stuck out the most to me from that piece: quote:Days before I sat down with Garcia in Miami Beach, a poll from The New York Times and Siena College showed, for the first time in the survey’s history, that “Democrats had a larger share of support among white college graduates than among nonwhite voters.” democrats will be a permanent rump party if this trend continues. It doesn't mean that they have to get (even more) conservative on social issues, but rather not ignore things like the humanitarian crises at the border, which is affecting hispanic communities.
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Context is this state was not ever supposed to be close, Dems for the longest time expected the same, and it must have gotten Real Bad internally if they had to call Oprah to do her second midterm endorsement ever (the first one defrauded a nursing home) https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1588342480407347201 Chris James 2 has issued a correction as of 04:42 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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im sure she will swing many voters
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HallelujahLee posted:im sure she will swing many voters Twenty years ago she was so influential that economists coined the term "Oprah effect" for an individual who can cause an economic shock just by talking about something. No idea how many voters still give a poo poo now, though.
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p impressive to pull off the "no, it's the kids who are wrong" act this consistently for so long
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I think it's been 10-ish years since Oprah was on tv regularly. I'd assume her power has waned a bit
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FuzzySlippers posted:I think it's been 10-ish years since Oprah was on tv regularly. I'd assume her power has waned a bit She was floated along with Obama as someone who could defeat Trump easily, though both absolutely wanted nothing to do with being president.
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Chris James 2 posted:Context is this state was not ever supposed to be close, Dems for the longest time expected the same, and it must have gotten Real Bad internally if they had to call Oprah to do her second midterm endorsement ever (the first one defrauded a nursing home)
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Who was this? I tried googling, but "Oprah midterm endorsement -fetterman" only turned up a bunch of her on the campaign trail with Stacy Abrams in 2018 which I mean lol that woman has never had power quote:In April 2014, Winfrey spoke for more than 20 minutes at a fundraiser in Arlington, Virginia, for Lavern Chatman, a candidate in a primary to nominate a Democratic Party candidate for election to the U.S. House of Representatives. Winfrey participated in the event even after reports had revealed that Chatman had been found liable in 2001 for her role in a scheme to defraud hundreds of District of Columbia nursing-home employees of at least $1.4 million in owed wages.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I spend all of my time online, therefore it is the only thing that exists
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reminder: https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1...ingawful.com%2F
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Halloween Jack posted:I just hope Robert "Beto" O'Rourke loses so that I never have to see, hear, or think about him ever again. listen jack here in the democrATIC party we like losers
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Halloween Jack posted:I just hope Robert "Beto" O'Rourke loses so that I never have to see, hear, or think about him ever again. why would him losing matter? his entire career is based on endless failure as a lucrative method for fundraising.
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Halloween Jack posted:I just hope Robert "Beto" O'Rourke loses so that I never have to see, hear, or think about him ever again. unfortunately Beto always has a more powerful loser form to reveal for the finale of each election cycle
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HallelujahLee posted:listen jack here in the democrATIC party we like losers
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