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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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This thread is so peaceful with everyone on probation... I don't have to listen to tankies, or think about them, or dream about them. This is how Ukraine will be after we (NAFO) win the war.
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Nov 5, 2022 19:41
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In other news, there are also a story on the NYT that Kiev itself may have to be evacuated if Russian attacks persist.
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Nov 5, 2022 19:41
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Homeless Friend posted:after hearing this i also want to deport the jews to madagascar. we could have had black israelite wakanda for god sakes WAKANDA FOREVER
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Nov 5, 2022 19:42
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Homeless Friend posted:after hearing this i also want to deport the jews to madagascar. we could have had black israelite wakanda for god sakes lmfao
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Nov 5, 2022 19:43
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Tankbuster posted:WAKANDA FOREVER slava wakandi
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Nov 5, 2022 19:43
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Majorian posted:I'm guessing mass extermination of ethnic Russians in Ukraine is probably not logistically feasible either, so... Majorian posted:Cool cool cool.
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Nov 5, 2022 19:44
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Wait, Ukraine is going to do ethnic cleansing? Big Israel FTW
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Nov 5, 2022 19:45
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iCe-CuBe. posted:Wait, Ukraine is going to do ethnic cleansing? Big Israel FTW There's a lot of it going on, on all sides, unfortunately. War is bad. Orange Devil posted:I both hope that this is true, and also not the only reason this will not take place. 
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Nov 5, 2022 19:48
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yeah crimea was always (after they completely marginalised the tartars, at least) majority ethnic/linguistic russian by an enormous amount so some kind of cleansing, resettlement or at least permanent martial law would be necessary if ukraine were to reconquer the place
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Nov 5, 2022 19:51
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The plan is to create at the least a group of stateless citizens. Almost a Big Palestine, if you will. Except Palestine doesn't have a nuclear armed friend sitting on the border and a whole lot of reasons to make sure that won't happen
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Nov 5, 2022 19:51
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Ardennes posted:In other news, there are also a story on the NYT that Kiev itself may have to be evacuated if Russian attacks persist. I haven't seen that one. I tried to search it with basic keywords but maybe I'm doing it wrong. Do you have a link?
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Nov 5, 2022 19:51
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Isentropy posted:The plan is to create at the least a group of stateless citizens. Almost a Big Palestine, if you will. Except Palestine doesn't have a nuclear armed friend sitting on the border and a whole lot of reasons to make sure that won't happen Egypt was this short the nukes until they got beaten to death by Western military aid and then couped repeatedly
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Nov 5, 2022 19:59
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samogonka posted:uh, i really wonder what they try to achieve with such statements https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1588887347990777857?t=7vxXglBJpJp7yNCpp81u7g&s=19
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Nov 5, 2022 20:03
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I always took Zelenskyy's rhetoric about retaking Crimea as a negotiating thing, but at this point who can say
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Nov 5, 2022 20:06
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Homeless Friend posted:after hearing this i also want to deport the jews to madagascar. we could have had black israelite wakanda for god sakes ruth died for this.....
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Nov 5, 2022 20:06
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speng31b posted:I always took Zelenskyy's rhetoric about retaking Crimea as a negotiating thing, but at this point who can say they definitely think they can and should take it back
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Nov 5, 2022 20:08
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Salean posted:ruth died for this..... Mansplainers shouldn't have told her to retire so much.  CODChimera posted:they definitely think they can and should take it back Why do you think it's not just rhetoric? Genuinely asking.
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Nov 5, 2022 20:09
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Not So Fast posted:https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1588887347990777857?t=7vxXglBJpJp7yNCpp81u7g&s=19 lol isn’t this the one (1) trans woman Azovite? soliciting personal donations so her sisters can continue to be paraded to trick liberals into thinking Ukraine does not have sub-Russian opinions about them?
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Nov 5, 2022 20:12
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Majorian posted:Why do you think it's not just rhetoric? Genuinely asking. Their national politics is dominated by revanchist nationalism and their politicians and state media accounts talk about it constantly. Like, they're literally an entry in the Wikipedia article for Revanchism and it's official state policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revanchism#Ukraine Why do you think they don't mean what they say?
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Nov 5, 2022 20:13
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Tankbuster posted:lol all this catholic slander while FF is exiled. they need less pontifex and more poontifex
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Nov 5, 2022 20:16
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The Oldest Man posted:Their national politics is dominated by revanchist nationalism and their politicians and state media accounts talk about it constantly. Like, they're literally an entry in the Wikipedia article for Revanchism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revanchism#Ukraine Because retaking Crimea seems so self-evidently strategically unfeasible from my perspective. The Russian government and media claim they're pursuing a lot of crazy maximalist goals themselves; that doesn't mean they actually, truly believe they can achieve those goals.
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Nov 5, 2022 20:16
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actually, all war propaganda on both sides is true and good and my friend
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Nov 5, 2022 20:17
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i don't like war, and there's no easy way to say this, but darya dugina loved war and really embraced it. that doesn't make killing her right or cool, but it's better to love peace than war. She died doing what she loved.
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Nov 5, 2022 20:19
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Tankbuster posted:lol all this catholic slander while FF is exiled. It's more fun doing it to his face.
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Nov 5, 2022 20:21
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Majorian posted:Because retaking Crimea seems so self-evidently strategically unfeasible from my perspective. The Russian government and media claim they're pursuing a lot of crazy maximalist goals themselves; that doesn't mean they actually, truly believe they can achieve those goals. there are some things that put me at unease, such as: they don't seem to be operating with a realistic capacity to negotiate when it makes sense, based on things like multiple opportunities for that coming and going, the one guy in lil Z's government who tried to openly push for it getting straight up murdered by the nationalist intelligence apparatus awhile back, and probably seeing this perfect storm of western backing and a once in history chance to achieve goals that would otherwise be untenable
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Nov 5, 2022 20:22
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speng31b posted:https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1588650833268334594 Thus reminds me that I need to finish playing Red Dead Redemption 2
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Nov 5, 2022 20:26
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Majorian posted:Because retaking Crimea seems so self-evidently strategically unfeasible from my perspective. The Russian government and media claim they're pursuing a lot of crazy maximalist goals themselves; that doesn't mean they actually, truly believe they can achieve those goals. crimea is legally part of the russian federation (from their perspective). i'm pretty sure they would treat as an invasion of russia, with all that entails
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Nov 5, 2022 20:27
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Majorian posted:I'm guessing mass extermination of ethnic Russians in Ukraine is probably not logistically feasible either, so... I mean we're starting from the assumption that they take Crimea
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Nov 5, 2022 20:28
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speng31b posted:there are some things that put me at unease, such as: they don't seem to be operating with a realistic capacity to negotiate when it makes sense, based on things like multiple opportunities for that coming and going, the one guy in lil Z's government who tried to openly push for it getting straight up murdered by the nationalist intelligence apparatus awhile back, and probably seeing this perfect storm of western backing and a once in history chance to achieve goals that would otherwise be untenable I don't disagree with any of this, but I also expect it will be a long time before an offensive on Crimea could conceivably be on the table, and that's assuming that everything goes right for the Ukrainians between now and then. Hopefully by that point both sides will have tired each other out and will be ready to negotiate, if not before then. genericnick posted:I mean we're starting from the assumption that they take Crimea Yeah, that too, I don't think that's gonna happen anyway. \/\/\/well-put  \/\/\/
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Nov 5, 2022 20:30
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Majorian posted:I don't disagree with any of this, but I also expect it will be a long time before an offensive on Crimea could conceivably be on the table, and that's assuming that everything goes right for the Ukrainians between now and then. Hopefully by that point both sides will have tired each other out and will be ready to negotiate, if not before then. yeah, it's totally unrealistic, but as an opening point to negotiations it would be great to feel that the Ukrainians actually know it's unrealistic and aren't amping themselves up (with a healthy dose of western cheerleading) for insane unachievable hyper nationalistic goals of ethnic cleansing that will make it even harder to actually achieve something like peace
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Nov 5, 2022 20:35
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speng31b posted:I haven't seen that one. I tried to search it with basic keywords but maybe I'm doing it wrong. Do you have a link? I found it. It's from their live update thread. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/05/world/ukraine-war-news-russia-updates quote:KYIV, Ukraine — As they struggle to maintain what remains of an electricity grid heavily damaged by Russian missiles, officials in Ukraine’s capital say they have begun planning for a once unthinkable possibility: a complete blackout that would require the evacuation of the city’s approximately three million remaining residents.
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Nov 5, 2022 20:36
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What sort of non-nuclear escalation does Russia have left other than more mobilization?
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Nov 5, 2022 20:36
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risking a probe for this but Crimea is also historically Russian, at least according to the majority of the people who live there and also history as well as Russia itself
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Nov 5, 2022 20:37
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CODChimera posted:What sort of non-nuclear escalation does Russia have left other than more mobilization? not answering your question, but keep in mind only 15% of mobilized forced are deployed currently according to various sources quoted by Al Jazeera yesterday
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Nov 5, 2022 20:38
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:risking a probe for this but Crimea is also historically Russian, at least according to the majority of the people who live there and also history as well as Russia itself Nah, that's a perfectly valid position to take IMO. Others may disagree and are free to argue against it, but it's not a particularly hot take.
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Nov 5, 2022 20:39
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yeah lucky for me “pro-Russia” is meaningless and impossible to define (good work admins!)
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Nov 5, 2022 20:40
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CODChimera posted:What sort of non-nuclear escalation does Russia have left other than more mobilization? they could go full USA on the cities of ukraine with normal bombs
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Nov 5, 2022 20:41
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CODChimera posted:What sort of non-nuclear escalation does Russia have left other than more mobilization? war economy
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Nov 5, 2022 20:42
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that would be pretty loving dire if they had to evacuate three million people out of Kiev, not even the Iraqis evacuated Baghdad when the Americans knocked out the power.
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oh also i think russia has chemical weapons. those are theoretically "less bad" than nuclear? 
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