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Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

TEDDYBOYGREG🇷🇺Z posted:

Ill be going to donbass in dec

_{(from t.me/TEDDYBOYGREG/441, via tgsa)}

# ? Nov 8, 2022 03:04

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# ? May 25, 2024 09:03

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

This is a pretty decent read of the air war thus far in Ukraine. It starts with a rundown of how tactics changed over time, and the EXSUM is 1-2 pages of bulletized items in a pretty reasonable format. https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/special-resources/russian-air-war-and-ukrainian-requirements-air-defence

It's written from a pro-arming Ukraine standpoint, but they don't really talk about that until the conclusion, so most of the discussion is free of rah rah posturing, and they keep the recommendations for the end of the paper rather than putting suggestions inside the analysis. They don't say "The Ghost of Kyiv is not real" in those exact words, but they say the Ghost of Kyiv is not real...

Executive Summary posted:

Executive Summary
� Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) conducted significantly more extensive fixed-wing strike
operations during the first days of the invasion than has been previously documented,
while Ukrainian ground-based air-defence (GBAD) capabilities were suppressed by
initial attacks.
� During this period, Ukrainian fighter aircraft inflicted some losses on VKS aircraft
but also took serious casualties due to being totally technologically outmatched and
badly outnumbered.
� Russian fighters have remained highly effective and lethal against Ukrainian aircraft
near the frontlines throughout the war, especially the Su-35S with the R-77-1 long-range
missile and, in recent months, the Mig-31BM with the R-37 very long-range missile.
� From early March, the VKS lost the ability to operate in Ukrainian-controlled airspace
except at very low altitudes due to its inability to reliably suppress or destroy increasingly
effective, well-dispersed and mobile Ukrainian surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems.
� Russian GBAD has also been highly effective since March, especially the longrange S-400 SAM system supported by the 48Ya6 �Podlet-K1� all-altitude long-range
surveillance radar system.
� Numerous man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) provided to Ukrainian troops
and later mobile air-defence teams meant that low-altitude Russian fixed-wing and
rotary penetrating sorties beyond the frontlines proved to be prohibitively costly during
March, and ceased by April 2022.
� Throughout the war, most Russian airstrikes have been against pre-designated targets
with unguided bombs and rockets. The Su-34 fleet has regularly also fired standoff
missiles such as the Kh-29 and Kh-59 against fixed targets, and Su-30SM and Su-35S
fighters have regularly fired Kh-31P and Kh-58 anti-radiation missiles to suppress and
target Ukrainian SAM radars.
� Without air superiority, Russia�s attempts at strategic air attack have been limited to
expensive cruise and ballistic missile barrages at a much more limited scale. These failed
to achieve strategically decisive damage during the first seven months of the invasion.
However, the latest iteration is a more focused and sustainable bombardment of the
Ukrainian electricity grid, blending hundreds of cheap Iranian-supplied Shahed-136
loitering munitions against substations with continued use of cruise and ballistic missiles
against larger targets.
� The West must avoid complacency about the need to urgently bolster Ukrainian airdefence capacity. It is purely thanks to its failure to destroy Ukraine�s mobile SAM systems
that Russia remains unable to effectively employ the potentially heavy and efficient aerial
firepower of its fixed-wing bomber and multi-role fighter fleets to bombard Ukrainian
strategic targets and frontline positions from medium altitude, as it did in Syria.
The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
Bronk with Reynolds and Watling
� It follows that if Ukrainian SAMs are not resupplied with ammunition, and ultimately
augmented and replaced with Western equivalents over time, the VKS will regain the
ability to pose a major threat.
� In the short term, Ukraine also needs large numbers of additional MANPADS and radarguided anti-aircraft guns, such as the Gepard, to sustain and increase its ability to
intercept the Shahed-136s and protect its remaining power infrastructure and repairs
to damaged facilities.
� In the medium term, Ukraine needs cost-effective ways to defend itself against the
Shahed-136. One option could be compact radar and/or laser ranging and sighting
systems to allow numerous existing anti-aircraft guns to be much more accurate and
effective against them.
� The Ukrainian Air Force fighter force needs modern Western fighters and missiles to
sustainably counter the VKS. Russian pilots have been cautious throughout the war, so
even a small number of Western fighters could have a major deterrent effect.
� Any Western fighter supplied in the short�medium term needs to be capable of
dispersed operations using mobile maintenance equipment and small support teams,
and flying from relatively rough runways, to avoid being neutralised by Russian longrange missile strikes.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 03:07

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Lostconfused posted:

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he could die of natural causes and it should still be a closed casket funeral

# ? Nov 8, 2022 03:19

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

We usually make ours in a pressure cooker or a pan of boiling water on a stove, both of which can be issued to every section. The rationale is the chemicals are expensive, dangerous and a wartime contingency, stoves and pressure cookers are not. Beyond that, IMPs are rarely eaten as is.

We have field kitchens that try to provide hot food for at least two meals a day, unless under the most extreme circumstances, run up to the forward positions in hayboxes.

I know it’s a British Army thing but can’t remember if it was a Boer War thing or not, but they take pride in providing monstrous quantities of eggs, bacon, beans and tomatoes basically unless you are being overrun, and it’s “Push” logistics which means that you will have to send a vehicle or bearers from the battery to pick up the food from the kitchen. They will not get off your rear end otherwise

On Remembrance Day, in garrison, they deliver hayboxes of Chilli and Chowder to artillery units, as is tradition. So Friday, if I go to an artillery function, there will be food provided by an army kitchen, in garrison, in a city, that a couple of Gunners had to drive to pick up. They take it pretty seriously too, and one of the jobs for new enlisted men is to dispose of the tens of litres of Chilli and Chowder after everyone has eaten, and a junior officer to supervise, while everybody else gets drunk.

Oh that makes sense.

Ahh so the new guys have to clean up while everyone else parties

# ? Nov 8, 2022 03:45

PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/uamemesforces/status/1589647639678971906

It�s funny because Putin�s original goal was to do in Ukraine what America did in Iraq, set up a unpopular widely despised government, hold a few �purple finger� referendums and leave behind troops to maintain it.

The Russian army sucking so hard is what caused the announcements that they were annexing territories.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 03:54

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Lostconfused posted:

https://twitter.com/Mykhailova_A/status/1580630581465210881

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViH64DzsX5g&t=1839s

Gonna take this as complete vindication

# ? Nov 8, 2022 03:59

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

PawParole posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/uamemesforces/status/1589647639678971906

It�s funny because Putin�s original goal was to do in Ukraine what America did in Iraq, set up a unpopular widely despised government, hold a few �purple finger� referendums and leave behind troops to maintain it.

The Russian army sucking so hard is what caused the announcements that they were annexing territories.

The tankies flee from logic, their tanks badly badly damaged

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:37

Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

speaking of food I can�t believe that only yesterday it was reported an entire division was anally vored but y�all tankies wanna pretend it never happened.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:38

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

PawParole posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/uamemesforces/status/1589647639678971906

It�s funny because Putin�s original goal was to do in Ukraine what America did in Iraq, set up a unpopular widely despised government, hold a few �purple finger� referendums and leave behind troops to maintain it.

The Russian army sucking so hard is what caused the announcements that they were annexing territories.

oh word?

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:51

Seatbelts: Mar 29, 2010

Can we no longer post an insanely dumb hot takes without ridicule?!

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:52

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

A recent armistice is currently affecting the tone of the thread.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:55

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

Seatbelts posted:

Can we no longer post an insanely dumb hot takes without ridicule?!

no sorry. tankie bullshit is out. reasonable, fact-based evaluations are in

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:57

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

https://twitter.com/MargoGontar/status/1588665959656484864

Ooooh they got us fam! Skewered!

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:57

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

Liberalism is just thinking tv is real

# ? Nov 8, 2022 04:59

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

lots of people know what putin is thinking

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:00

Slim Jim Pickens: Jan 16, 2012

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1589578495919034368

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:03

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

420 Gank Mid posted:

Liberalism is just thinking tv is real

Tv is made by liberals, it is their world view made manifest

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:06

speng31b: May 8, 2010

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1589578495919034368

lmao

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:06

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Slim Jim Pickens posted:

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1589578495919034368

war has changed

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:08

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Once again, dudes rock.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:10

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

My He-Man action figure versus your Optimus Prime in the sandpit at dawn. Winner gets the closest Ukraine village.

We will have an impartial panel of school children to judge who makes the best whap pow noises with their mouth.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:11

speng31b: May 8, 2010

ItohRespectArmy posted:

war has changed

trains remain

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:15

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

It honestly looks like civilians, I don't think it particularly puts the situation in a great light.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:15

speng31b: May 8, 2010

Ardennes posted:

It honestly looks like civilians, I don't think it particularly puts the situation in a great light.

that's one twitters most unsubtle and least credible accounts, which is itself the joke

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:17

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

if we're doing food chat, what is a Ukrainian dish that one could try to make?

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:24

spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

gradenko_2000 posted:

if we're doing food chat, what is a Ukrainian dish that one could try to make?

Raw pig fat.

Eat with soup.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:25

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Borscht obviously, supper simple. Beat soup, potatoes, carrots, chicken, served with sour cream.

Buckwheat porridge, enough water so that it get soft but still dry. Add some butter to it, refry leftovers on a skillet the next day, can add some carrots and onions to it.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:28

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

spacetoaster posted:

Raw pig fat.

Eat with soup.

It's not raw, salo needs to be properly salted.

https://twitter.com/0x6c01_8b48/status/1589556204879384576

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 05:34 on Nov 8, 2022

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:28

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Pierogis. Fried potato pancakes.

"Aren't Pierogis Polish though and haven't like 60+ groups discovered frying potatoes?"

Look, if there's a regional food that everyone argues about who made it or whose is the real deal, it's probably pretty damned good, regardless of whoever first did it.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:37

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

mlmp08 posted:

Pierogis. Fried potato pancakes.

"Aren't Pierogis Polish though and haven't like 60+ groups discovered frying potatoes?"

Look, if there's a regional food that everyone argues about who made it or whose is the real deal, it's probably pretty damned good, regardless of whoever first did it.

similar to the famous israeli dish, falafel

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:40

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

also, this made a whole lot of people very angry:

https://culturecheesemag.com/recipes/which-came-first-arkansas-cheese-dip-or-texan-queso/

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:40

A Bakers Cousin: Dec 18, 2003; by vyelkin

NEW YORK CITY?

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:49

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Thanks mlmp for that article, it's nice to see an analysis based in reality on what has been one of the more confusing parts of the war.

Seatbelts posted:

Can we no longer post an insanely dumb hot takes without ridicule?!

Without ridicule?! That's never been possible. Anyway my smart and good take is that Iraq should annex the USA.

Turtle Watch posted:

speaking of food I can�t believe that only yesterday it was reported an entire division was anally vored but y�all tankies wanna pretend it never happened.

A division? I thought it was only 500 troops.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 05:56

Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

Weka posted:

Thanks mlmp for that article, it's nice to see an analysis based in reality on what has been one of the more confusing parts of the war.

Without ridicule?! That's never been possible. Anyway my smart and good take is that Iraq should annex the USA.

A division? I thought it was only 500 troops.

You are thinking of a different incident with less rigorous sourcing than the independently confirmed anal-voring of an entire army group.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 06:02

thechosenone: Mar 21, 2009

Weka posted:

Thanks mlmp for that article, it's nice to see an analysis based in reality on what has been one of the more confusing parts of the war.

Without ridicule?! That's never been possible. Anyway my smart and good take is that Iraq should annex the USA.

A division? I thought it was only 500 troops.

A necessary sacrifice to ensure the proper prioritization of hummus in this country.

Edit: Masgouf looks pretty good too right now.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Nov 8, 2022 06:11

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/sethharpesq/status/1589739813045174272

# ? Nov 8, 2022 06:33

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/sethharpesq/status/1589739813045174272

lmao

quote:

I know this story is coming out, so I want to say my piece first to make the best of it and encourage others to take action. Like many people, I was deeply moved by what I saw happening in Ukraine over the past year. I wanted to help. When I heard about Ukraine�s International Legion, I knew I was going, and I went to the embassy to enlist the next day.

I told one person here where I was, and I told one person there my real name. I didn�t want my family or friends to worry, and I didn�t want to be treated differently there. Going in, I had no prior military experience and wasn�t a great shot, but I could carry heavy things and learned fast. I was also willing to die there. So they soon agreed to send me to the northeastern front.

My time in Ukraine wasn�t long but I saw a lot and I felt a lot. I liked being a soldier, more than I had expected. It is scary. But life is simple, and the rewards for finding courage and doing good are substantial. My friends there know why I had to come home. l�ll always owe them for their example. I know I�m lucky I made it back, but I would also take all the risks we took over again.

This war, like all others, is horrific. The people I met were the bravest I have ever known. My fellow legionnaires � who came from different countries, backgrounds, ideologies � are true freedom fighters. As are the citizens I knew, many of whom have lost everything in their long struggle against oligarchy, and toward a democratic system. They know this isn�t a war between equals, it�s a revolution.

This war will shape the fate of democracy in this century. There�s more to say about its politics and the role of western governments there. For now, I�ll only urge you to help in your personal capacity. Join the legion, help on the border, or send medical supplies. Every day, someone there sacrifices everything for a lasting peace. They can�t be asked to act alone.

# ? Nov 8, 2022 06:40

Seatbelts: Mar 29, 2010

Weka posted:

Without ridicule?! That's never been possible. Anyway my smart and good take is that Iraq should annex the USA.

poo poo that is better

# ? Nov 8, 2022 06:44

fanfic insert: Nov 4, 2009

Majorian posted:

lol
https://twitter.com/business/status/1589643858622963713

Yyyyup, this is what a more unified Europe looks like.

misery loves company

# ? Nov 8, 2022 06:53

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# ? May 25, 2024 09:03

Lord of Pie: Mar 2, 2007

i say swears online posted:

also, this made a whole lot of people very angry:

https://culturecheesemag.com/recipes/which-came-first-arkansas-cheese-dip-or-texan-queso/

Ted Cruz being so widely disliked that he lost Texas' claim to melted cheese

# ? Nov 8, 2022 07:11

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