Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


Reserved-ListGate

(Land - Gate)

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

HootTheOwl posted:

The four horsemen are: narcomeoba, narcomeoba, narcomeoba, and narcomeoba.

Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan and Dylan

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

In general try to introduce videos and tweets and whatnot, like not just here but everywhere on SA; but that's not a hard rule or anything, just a good-posting guideline, thanks.

uggy posted:

Like are you dense or just dumb.

Don't be assholes to each other, regardless.

uggy
Aug 6, 2006

Posting is SERIOUS BUSINESS
and I am completely joyless

Don't make me judge you
he wasn't being an rear end in a top hat he was telling me to foglio myself which i totally did

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

oh okay

big cummers ONLY
Jul 17, 2005

I made a series of bad investments. Tarantula farm. The bottom fell out of the market.

This is the most aggro thread I follow on sa, so "be nice" is still worth repeating!

A friend opened a jumpstart pack with rhystic study, he didn't need or want the rest of the pack after he played with it so he gave me the other 19 cards since I was missing that theme for my battlebox. What's a good (under $5) card that can fill a similar niche for jumpstart? Doesn't need to be amazing just something that makes sense. The alternative is to proxy Rhystic, but I am holding off on getting proxies until I know what I need in bulk. (No sharpie because I am a boi of aesthetics)

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

big cummers ONLY posted:

This is the most aggro thread I follow on sa, so "be nice" is still worth repeating!

A friend opened a jumpstart pack with rhystic study, he didn't need or want the rest of the pack after he played with it so he gave me the other 19 cards since I was missing that theme for my battlebox. What's a good (under $5) card that can fill a similar niche for jumpstart? Doesn't need to be amazing just something that makes sense. The alternative is to proxy Rhystic, but I am holding off on getting proxies until I know what I need in bulk. (No sharpie because I am a boi of aesthetics)

Reconnaissance Mission? Treasure Trove? Coastal Piracy? Teferi's Ageless Insight?

big cummers ONLY
Jul 17, 2005

I made a series of bad investments. Tarantula farm. The bottom fell out of the market.

I'll pick one of those thanks! Never heard of any of them. I'm such a bad MTG lover :(

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Bros War has Go For the Throat??? Oh God, standard is gonna suck

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

big cummers ONLY posted:

I'll pick one of those thanks! Never heard of any of them. I'm such a bad MTG lover :(

no worries. here's the scryfall query i used if you want to look at some other options https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=color%3DU+o%3Adraw+o%3Aa+o%3Acard+t%3A%22enchantment%22&unique=cards

nothing does what rhystic study does except rhystic study (which is why it's so valuable) and mystic remora (on the reserve list), but the ones I posted are at least blue enchantments with repeatable card draw and no major hoops to jump through. i don't know the jumpstart packs well enough to be sure, but that'd be pretty close I think.

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




big cummers ONLY posted:

This is the most aggro thread I follow on sa, so "be nice" is still worth repeating!

A friend opened a jumpstart pack with rhystic study, he didn't need or want the rest of the pack after he played with it so he gave me the other 19 cards since I was missing that theme for my battlebox. What's a good (under $5) card that can fill a similar niche for jumpstart? Doesn't need to be amazing just something that makes sense. The alternative is to proxy Rhystic, but I am holding off on getting proxies until I know what I need in bulk. (No sharpie because I am a boi of aesthetics)

Silver Scrutiny is a bulk rare from DMU that draws cards. Do you have further criteria for what you want the card to do?

Mind's Eye is a little out of budget ($7 ish?) but the price might come down a bit since it's in the BRO retro slot.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





i like to use mtgassist, although most of the time the similarities are really stretching it

https://www.mtgassist.com/cards/Jumpstart/Rhystic-Study/

big cummers ONLY
Jul 17, 2005

I made a series of bad investments. Tarantula farm. The bottom fell out of the market.

Lone Goat posted:

Silver Scrutiny is a bulk rare from DMU that draws cards. Do you have further criteria for what you want the card to do?

Mind's Eye is a little out of budget ($7 ish?) but the price might come down a bit since it's in the BRO retro slot.

Just a card draw enchantment of some kind. Looking at the 4 suggested earlier, three of them synergize well with the theme's goals of card draw and evasion. I will probably pick Teferi's Ageless Insight since it has great synergy with all the card draw and is also M21 like the rest of the jumpstart cards. Thanks all of you for also teaching me what to look for in situations like this.

LibrarianCroaker
Mar 30, 2010

Arivia posted:

mystic remora (on the reserve list)

it's not on the reserved list. it just only has the ice age printing and the secret lair from a couple of months ago.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

LibrarianCroaker posted:

it's not on the reserved list. it just only has the ice age printing and the secret lair from a couple of months ago.

ain't i a fool

Amp
Sep 10, 2010

:11tea::bubblewoop::agesilaus::megaman::yoshi::squawk::supaburn::iit::spooky::axe::honked::shroom::smugdog::sg::pkmnwhy::parrot::screamy::tubular::corsair::sanix::yeeclaw::hayter::flip::redflag:
Brother's War release notes are here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/the-brothers-war-release-notes

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Sickening posted:

He doesn't scam as much as grifts, and I think there is a real distinction there. His grift is patreon and people seeing that as a "deal". Much like the professor, his youtbue feeds his patreon. Rudy's revenue stream is people staying subbed to patreon, him selling those subs sealed stuff at a profit, the small amount of youtube money, and also people selling him old cards at a content creator discount.

Yeah, this was always my read on him. I think having a sub service where you sell cards, as advertised is by definition not a scam.

flatluigi posted:

can't imagine why saying stuff like that would make people not want to listen to him


Huge difference between not wanting to listen to him and accusing him of fraud

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
Over BSS, XO Manowar has been putting up scans of old Wizards issues as a sort of time capsule of the industry. One thing from the last issue he posted looked familiar so I now present to you, the article that made me aware of Magic in the first place;

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Over BSS, XO Manowar has been putting up scans of old Wizards issues as a sort of time capsule of the industry. One thing from the last issue he posted looked familiar so I now present to you, the article that made me aware of Magic in the first place;


God, those last couple sentences. It really was a different time, wasn't it?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Over BSS, XO Manowar has been putting up scans of old Wizards issues as a sort of time capsule of the industry. One thing from the last issue he posted looked familiar so I now present to you, the article that made me aware of Magic in the first place;



I love the weird hand wringing about occult themes in the end graf, especially in a 90's comic rag.

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Over BSS, XO Manowar has been putting up scans of old Wizards issues as a sort of time capsule of the industry. One thing from the last issue he posted looked familiar so I now present to you, the article that made me aware of Magic in the first place;



it speaks to the strength of the design of the game that every single word of this paragraph is still applicable for new players today. except for the last paragraph lol

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

thread, I have a confession... playing MTG has driven me to the occult and the pagan arts. I've been calling on the forces of hell to claim the souls of people who play invoke despair in standard

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



kalel posted:

thread, I have a confession... playing MTG has driven me to the occult and the pagan arts. I've been calling on the forces of hell to claim the souls of people who play invoke despair in standard

I run too few lands to get it off on curve most games may I be spared the wrath of your dark master?

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





girl dick energy posted:

God, those last couple sentences. It really was a different time, wasn't it?

70s and 80s had all the handwringing over d&d.
then mtg..
but even after mtg, you had harry potter.
pat robertson called sabrina the teenage witch (the abc version) "insidious"

it's still happening but the church has less and less of a hold so people give less of a poo poo what they say about things being satanic.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





oh yeah also this:

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

Sometimes a good stretch makes me feel stronger and tougher, art still works

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Owlbear Camus posted:

I love the weird hand wringing about occult themes in the end graf, especially in a 90's comic rag.
in a magazine literally titled Wizard Magazine

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Strong Sauce posted:

oh yeah also this:


Billy Corgan is just rocking out to his jams.

TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


Strong Sauce posted:

oh yeah also this:


This is just a bro hanging out in a weirdly empty space.

FireMrshlBill
Aug 13, 2006

LEMME SHOW YOU SOMETHING!!!

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Billy Corgan is just rocking out to his jams.

Was about to say Danzig, haha.

Ya, I remember when I got my first few magic cards back in '96/97, some kid at my lunch table was going through his deck and ripped a card in 1/2. I asked why, he said it was too marked up and couldn't use it, so I asked for any he was going to get rid of and he said ok as long as I promise not to use them (want to say Unholy Strength was one of them even, I remember seeing the ones with pentagrams being sold different than the commons and going home to check if mine had one). I remember my mom being like "that's not one of those weird occult things" when she saw me looking at them and I told her about the game and the other Vampire card game he had told me about, but she wasn't coming from a religious angle, more so a "don't be a weirdo" angle, haha.


Anyway, I sold all of my cards back in the mid-2000's (played from '97 - '03/04). Getting back into it, playing on Arena a bit. I purchased the latest starter deck kit and even an old sealed copy of the Portal starter kit for nostalgia (which was my first purchase and how I learned to play). So I can use those to try to teach my kids as they get older. What would you all recommend as a good way to jump back in? Someone on reddit suggested a jumpstart box, which is what new (to me) game style intrigued me most since maybe I can teach my soon to be 8yr old by us selecting 2 random packs every few weekends. I had been looking at the one for Brothers War, but the redditor mentioned the 2022 one coming out in December. I saw the one for Dominara United is cheaper on Amazon but got bad reviews for being the same 5 themes repeated, is that something that would affect the Brothers War jumpstart box as well? Should I just go for the 2022?

Or just do something else entirely? Been thinking about just buying a bulk, yet curated, box and maybe get some nostalgia hits. But would like to get some newer stuff too. I really liked getting theme decks back in the day and building off of those, like my red/green Urza's Saga Special Delivery that I built off of. So I looked at the Gruul Stompy Pioneer and Standard decks, but not sure if that is pointless unless I plan to actually play at local events. Commander decks are totally new to me as well.

Sorry for dragging on and if this is a too common question (didn't see anything in the past few pages). What would you suggest?

edit: also, is it common to put all cards in sleeves that you play with or just for people that play at events/tournaments. The videos I have seen on youtube makes it seem cringe/scary that people used to play without back in the day.

FireMrshlBill fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Nov 8, 2022

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


kalel posted:

thread, I have a confession... playing MTG has driven me to the occult and the pagan arts. I've been calling on the forces of hell to claim the souls of people who play invoke despair in standard

Weirdly, being gay as poo poo and growing up in the church and with a best friend who grew up to be a pastor drove me to MtG, and further to the occult and pagan arts. It was all one package deal, but it had to go through the Decipher Star Trek and Star Wars CCGs to get there, first. Always been a card flipper, I just got the ones with devils and pentacles and nudity and a fixed deck much later.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

rickiep00h posted:

Weirdly, being gay as poo poo and growing up in the church and with a best friend who grew up to be a pastor drove me to MtG, and further to the occult and pagan arts. It was all one package deal, but it had to go through the Decipher Star Trek and Star Wars CCGs to get there, first. Always been a card flipper, I just got the ones with devils and pentacles and nudity and a fixed deck much later.

hahaha Star Trek CCG was my first one. It was very bad as a game, but so exciting to a teenage me.

Star Wars CCG on the other hand was excellent, and it's a real shame Wizards bought the license out from under Decipher and made their Young Jedi crap

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



I remember the Lord of the Pit freaking out Catholic school parents at the time

kalel
Jun 19, 2012


For context, starting with dominaria united, every standard set is going to get its own jumpstart packs based on that set, but they're basically just theme packs (which is an earlier product they're essentially replacing). This set-based jumpstart product is distinct from Jumpstart 2022, which is its own separate product using the jumpstart game type, that isn't based on a particular standard set. So when dominaria United releases, we'll get dominaria United jump start, and we will also get jump start 2022 later on.

People ragged on the set-based jumpstart packs because they're basically just reskinned theme packs, which pretty much had no thought put into them from a design standpoint. But it's probably a decent product if you're looking to play some games with your kids, since all you need to make a deck is two JS packs. Jumpstart 2022 on the other hand is an actual product where all the packs are designed to work together. It might be a better play experience but you have to wait longer

If you're looking to get into actual formats, the most popular one is Commander as you mentioned. It's a 4+ player format where players use 99-card singleton decks (1 copy max of each card that isn't basic) with a 100th card you always have access to, a legendary creature which acts as your deck's "Commander." There are also normal 60 card constructed formats like modern and pioneer. I wouldn't buy cards to build paper decks for any of them until you get a feel for the game and you find a deck or archetype that really grabs you. Arena is nice because you get to try out cards from current/recent standards without any monetary investment necessary

It's widely accepted to play paper magic with sleeves, yes. Playing sleeveless causes your cards to accumulate wear and tear very quickly, which makes it more difficult to play with them in the future and also reduces their resale value. It also protects the cards from other players and their Cheeto-dusted, mountain-dewed fingers when they need to pick up and read one of your cards. You can do whatever you want with your cards of course, but you might get funny looks from across the table at your local game store if you don't use sleeves.

kalel fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Nov 8, 2022

generatrix
Aug 8, 2008

Nothing hurts like a scrape
The new jumpstart packs would probably be good when it's like 10 sets in and you can do chaos-jumpstart events where everyone has random stuff from different sets. Kind of needs to hit that critical mass to work though, so they probably should have waited to flip the theme boosters over to jumpstart ones until after the full JS22 set comes out, or done retroactive ones for the last five sets.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

generatrix posted:

The new jumpstart packs would probably be good when it's like 10 sets in and you can do chaos-jumpstart events where everyone has random stuff from different sets. Kind of needs to hit that critical mass to work though, so they probably should have waited to flip the theme boosters over to jumpstart ones until after the full JS22 set comes out, or done retroactive ones for the last five sets.

Yeah, I remember from back when someone posted the Tolarian Community College review of the DMU Jumpstart here, my initial impression of the product based on the review was that it was most likely intended to be combined with other Jumpstart packs from upcoming sets instead of a stand alone product.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

I remember the Lord of the Pit freaking out Catholic school parents at the time



There was literally a card called Jihad in the middle eastern themed set lmao

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
"Preacher" is a white creature that mind controls your opponents creatures

Magic is not a subtle game

whiggles
Dec 19, 2003

TEAM EDWARD
The banning of crusade was always confusing to me cause I thought there was an understanding that white represented not simply "virtuous" traits but also the naughty business people can get up to in the name of those same traits.

I guess the way that crusade functions as a card though doesn't really do much to highlight that specific hypocrisy though. Maybe a reprint with some manner of "are we the baddies?" flavor text wouldve done the trick.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

whiggles posted:

The banning of crusade was always confusing to me cause I thought there was an understanding that white represented not simply "virtuous" traits but also the naughty business people can get up to in the name of those same traits.

I guess the way that crusade functions as a card though doesn't really do much to highlight that specific hypocrisy though. Maybe a reprint with some manner of "are we the baddies?" flavor text wouldve done the trick.

Part of that and part of Crusader imagery being heavily co-opted by certain white power groups. To the point you always have to give a bit of side eye anytime Deus Veult shows up on the internet.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply