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barclayed posted:Sorry to revive an older thread but... finally beat the HK fight on the first ending, and I'm now working to finish up the Hornet quest, starting with Traitor Lord.. Trial of the Conqueror is kicking my rear end right now! Don't apologize, I was going to revive it to talk about my new favorite charm anyway. Speaking of which, have you tried Weaversong, if you have it? That helped me a lot to keep my health up during trials 2 and 3. (Late gameplay spoilers below) First, a bit of context: I've reinstalled Hollow Knight for the fifth time to try and beat P3, P4 and P5 plus PoP which were my last big goals left. I figured I'd start a new playthrough, this time using Sharp Shadow as soon as I can grab it, to get used to the new dash distance (I couldn't acclimate to the new distance in the past so avoided using it against NKG, which probably made that fight harder than it needed to be). SS helped a bit with Sly, but only for his phase 1. Trying to attack him would get me hit and blasting his phase 2 with spells to death just wasn't realistic. So I started trying other charm setups that would expose me less or let me use spells more. And, well, Weaversong does both. The Weaversong damage is not much, but it does add up over time, especially against bosses with short windows of opportunity for attack (Sly, PV, NKG). Moreover, when combined with Grubsong the spiderlings give you a ton of soul. Because you don't need to put yourself at risk to leech soul out of enemies, it's much easier to find healing windows, and if you're not getting hit (or don't find said healing windows) you can make the fight go faster by throwing spells at the boss. It's a lot like Kingsoul, but at a fraction of the price, and it does damage on its own as a bonus. It also creates some funny moments. Sometimes you'll hear one of the Watcher Knights scream and die offscreen, or NKG will teleport next to you and get immediately dogpiled into a stagger, or Failed Champion will leap over you but topple over in the middle of the air. The incidental comedy may not be a selling point, but it definitely enhances the experience. Thanks to Weaversong I bulldozed all over P3 as well as Sly himself. The combination of Sharp Shadow, Grubsong and Weaversong lets me do a ton of damage with minimum exposure and keeps me consistently near-topped with soul throughout the whole pantheon. It worked so well, that I decided I'd stick with my new best spider friends and see how far they'd carry me. Allow me to sound like an infomercial for a moment: Before I used Weaversong, beating NKG took me 2-3 weeks of practice. Now that I'm using Weaversong, beating PV took me 5 days. Today, just one week later, I've defeated both of them on Ascended difficulty. I've practiced beating the entirety of P5 enough that I feel confident enough to reach AR. I've seen enough of her to know she is going to be a nightmare, but hey, one step at a time. This game is hard as hell but it does give you tools to overcome it. I don't have good reflexes, nor do I pogo jump all that well (this post is long enough already without me going into my Path of Pain story, I can go into that some other time), but I've still managed to get all the way here, by using a charm that's generally considered to be middle of the pack or even subpar because it suits my playstyle. If that isn't an indicator of amazing game design, I don't know what is. tl;dr Friendship ended with Quick Slash, now Weaversong is my best friend.
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i have not tried weaversong yet!! the parts that are throwing me for a loop in trial of the conqueror is where you're confined to the walls.
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Oct 23, 2022 23:04
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barclayed posted:i have not tried weaversong yet!! the parts that are throwing me for a loop in trial of the conqueror is where you're confined to the walls. Hardest part of the trial for sure, iirc leading to desperately finding time to heal when the ground comes back after the beating you've taken. Summon cheese works for the Arena iirc, but there's no need for it and it's just a bunch of practice. Some people swear by the charm that lets you charge up nail techniques faster, but I'm a luddite and just got a bunch of +nail range and blundered through it. Keep at it (with breaks to explore elsewhere as you please), the arena gauntlets are harsh but fair.
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Oct 24, 2022 01:52
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Nailmaster's Glory is really good for the trials specifically because charged attacks let you one shot primal aspids and armoured squits.
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Oct 24, 2022 02:49
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there's like two specific situations where i would say going for nail arts is a strict improvement over regular strikes and the airborne parts of the trials are one of them, but if you can get used to pulling them off regularly that charm is a lot of value for just 1 notch
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Oct 24, 2022 12:52
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The nail masters have such a good scam going: they get people to play them to teach things that are so rarely ever used / mostly forgotten about that no one knows if they were actually taught to be actually good at it?
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Oct 24, 2022 16:55
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Serephina posted:Hardest part of the trial for sure, iirc leading to desperately finding time to heal when the ground comes back after the beating you've taken. Summon cheese works for the Arena iirc, but there's no need for it and it's just a bunch of practice. Some people swear by the charm that lets you charge up nail techniques faster, but I'm a luddite and just got a bunch of +nail range and blundered through it. Keep at it (with breaks to explore elsewhere as you please), the arena gauntlets are harsh but fair. My current build for TotC is Soul Catcher, Quick, Focus, Brubsong, Longnail, and Nailmaster's Glory. I love nailmaster because, like SirSamVimes said, I can oneshot aspids. gently caress aspids. I appreciate everyone's advice.
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Oct 24, 2022 19:22
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barclayed posted:My current build for TotC is Soul Catcher, Quick, Focus, Brubsong, Longnail, and Nailmaster's Glory. I love nailmaster because, like SirSamVimes said, I can oneshot aspids. Vengeful spirit also one-shots aspids. Embrace the shaman stone.
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Oct 24, 2022 19:44
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So lately I've decided to try my hand at the Pantheon of Hallownest. I gotta say, Markoth-GPZ-Failed Champion-NKG is one hell of a series to have to do in a row without a bench, especially since it takes like half an hour to get there for each attempt.
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Nov 2, 2022 02:41
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Zote? Failed Champion? NKG? (And PV + AR as well!) Yeah for sure, I learned their tricks and tells and patterns and such, and got to the point of reliably beating them by the end. Markoth tho?? God, I became LESS trash at his bullshit, but I never got actually good at reliably beating him with minimal damage. That jerk can go gently caress himself in moth hell t  t
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Nov 2, 2022 03:09
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Failed Champion is a blessing in disguise in that gauntlet because once you stagger him and his head pops out, you can keep him staggered forever as long as you keep hitting his armor and not his head. So you can hit his armor, dreamnail his armor, hit his armor, heal yourself, hit his armor etc. in an infinite loop to max out your health and soul and go into the NKG fight completely topped off. Markoth + Zote is certainly a big loving curve to get over, though.
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Nov 2, 2022 06:29
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BioThermo posted:Failed Champion is a blessing in disguise in that gauntlet because once you stagger him and his head pops out, you can keep him staggered forever as long as you keep hitting his armor and not his head. So you can hit his armor, dreamnail his armor, hit his armor, heal yourself, hit his armor etc. in an infinite loop to max out your health and soul and go into the NKG fight completely topped off.
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Working as intended.
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Martman posted:that's cheating. reported silksong is going to keep track of cheating reports from the previous game, players who don't have any cheating reports will be able to unlock Hornet's hadouken move in a secret area
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QuarkJets posted:silksong is going to keep track of cheating reports from the previous game, players who don't have any cheating reports will be able to unlock Hornet's hadouken move in a secret area Genius way to drive additional sales for clean copies of Hollow Knight.
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Nervous posted:Genius way to drive additional sales for clean copies of Hollow Knight. They examine your immortal soul.
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Nov 3, 2022 04:05
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silksong is already out, they only released it for those of us who didn't cheat at hollow knight
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Nov 3, 2022 04:07
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Rude of them to count my experimentation with the Randomizer as cheating
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Nov 3, 2022 13:58
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quick, what's everybody's favorite area? mines queens gardens or crystal peak
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Nov 8, 2022 20:12
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kingdoms edge just has this weird atmosphere especially with the music and i love it
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Nov 8, 2022 20:14
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Greenpath for sure. I like the way it's absolutely full of life/enemies but many of them either ambush you or run from you, helps give it that feeling of being a living ecosystem instead of just another dungeon.
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Nov 8, 2022 20:31
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Yeah I really like greenpath too, it's such a lovely little area and not too punishing.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:10
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Feels Villeneuve posted:kingdoms edge just has this weird atmosphere especially with the music and i love it i like kingdom's edge too! the little jumpy guys are very satisfying to fight with steady body on. just spamming attack lol. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Greenpath for sure. I like the way it's absolutely full of life/enemies but many of them either ambush you or run from you, helps give it that feeling of being a living ecosystem instead of just another dungeon. Organza Quiz posted:Yeah I really like greenpath too, it's such a lovely little area and not too punishing. for some reason i always combine greenpath and queen's gardens in my head. they feel like extensions of one another. but yeah!! i love both. 1st hornet fight is still one of my faves.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:28
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barclayed posted:quick, what's everybody's favorite area? mines queens gardens or crystal peak literally same
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Nov 8, 2022 21:30
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City of Tears, easily. That piano with the sound of soft rainfall is incredible.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:37
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City of Tears was where the game really grabbed my attention and showed off the scope and ambition of the game so I'd have to go with that. I kinda like Ancient No Dignity fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Nov 8, 2022 |
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Nov 8, 2022 21:39
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I really liked Deepnest it had such a cool atmosphere
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No Dignity posted:City of Tears was where the game really grabbed my attention and showed off the scope and ambition of the game so I'd have to go with that. I kinda like Ancient Cistern too, just for the ominous bad vibes you get when you first go down there The thing I really like about Ancient Basin is that while the rest of the game is fairly monochrome, it all has a bluish tint but the Ancient Basin is truly grey.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:43
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SirSamVimes posted:City of Tears, easily. That piano with the sound of soft rainfall is incredible. this is true. i use city of tears ambience to study. however, i hated the mantis enemies. No Dignity posted:City of Tears was where the game really grabbed my attention and showed off the scope and ambition of the game so I'd have to go with that. I kinda like Ancient Cistern too, just for the ominous bad vibes you get when you first go down there ooh, ancient basin is very cool as well. the broken vessels down there in the chasm always freaked me out. lore-wise it's awesome.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:50
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hatty posted:I really liked Deepnest it had such a cool atmosphere you are the first person i've ever heard who likes deepnest. i do have to admit nosk is a pretty fun fight though. dreamshield makes it goated.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:51
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First time into City of Tears, watching the rain with my best friend Quirrel.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:52
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I love them all. Top three would be Greenpath, City of Tears, and the as of yet unmentioned Fungal Wastes. I would have an easier time picking least favorite (Royal Waterways).
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Nov 8, 2022 21:55
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SirSamVimes posted:City of Tears, easily. That piano with the sound of soft rainfall is incredible. This. It really stands out.
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barclayed posted:you are the first person i've ever heard who likes deepnest. i do have to admit nosk is a pretty fun fight though. dreamshield makes it goated. I love Deepnest. The environments in the game have an amazing progression: here's this mostly gray sad sort of place, very clearly the outskirts of a fallen kingdom; next here's this green place that feels alive, that's warm and foreboding but only in the sense that it feels like it's protecting itself and not actively trying to hurt you; and next there's this weird brown mushroom place that feels very different and insular; and then you're in the sad blue city where it never stops raining; and so on and so on. And then you fall into Deepnest, and the color isn't a color, it's just dark. It does such a good job of feeling hostile and reminding you that, hey, that cute game you've been playing with all the bugs? Yeah, they're bugs. And they are in your skin and in your hair and scurrying just out of reach when you get close. And then you get deeper into the spiders' territory and it somehow starts to feel more oppressive and that they really, really don't want you here. I just love that there's a place where the infection gave up, that the all-powerful force just said "nah you keep it."
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moosferatu posted:I love them all. Top three would be Greenpath, City of Tears, and the as of yet unmentioned Fungal Wastes. I would have an easier time picking least favorite (Royal Waterways). Fungal Wastes's bgm is amazing, in an area of the map surrounded by amazing bgm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhUqu-g0pVY
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Nov 8, 2022 22:09
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City of Tears is where the game went from something that I was playing simply for youtube content to a game that I genuinely love.
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The point I stopped liking the game and started loving the game was the Mantis Lords.barclayed posted:you are the first person i've ever heard who likes deepnest. i do have to admit nosk is a pretty fun fight though. dreamshield makes it goated. Deepnest is really really good and effective at making you feel incredibly unwelcome. I love it.
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I got brutally owned by the mantis lords first time, then I went back after a few other areas and nothing feels more badass as when they charge at you one after another and you nail both backstabs
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UP AND ADAM posted:Fungal Wastes's bgm is amazing, in an area of the map surrounded by amazing bgm Truth
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I'm gonna say Greenpath, because it's mostly cute, and the room with the big spikey bugs gauntlet has the hands down best piece of the already awesome soundtrack.
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