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joat mon posted:How do you take them off? Where? Where do they go from there? Where do the weapons go? How does this cost compare to the cost of paying a ransom or replacing a crew? buy ar15s in florida, convert them to full auto out on the open sea, then when you absolutely MUST go somewhere with laws,  I don't claim to know what pirates charge for ransom these days, but cargo ship operating costs can exceed $100k/day before fuel; throwing a few dozen $500-2000 guns into international waters every few months is not actually that expensive in context
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Javid posted:buy ar15s in florida, convert them to full auto out on the open sea, then when you absolutely MUST go somewhere with laws, A safe and legal thrill! (note: may not be legal, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice)
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Sure just give the sharks guns, what could possibly go wrong.
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Javid posted:buy ar15s in florida, convert them to full auto out on the open sea, then when you absolutely MUST go somewhere with laws, Never in my loving life did I expect "I lost my ar in a boating accident" to be a math checks out in the law thread idea. Not saying you're wrong, just... ugh gently caress so in gun circles it's assumed that the guberment is coming for your guns and "oops I lost it in a boating accident" is the default nod and a wink at hiding them and not turning them in. I'm gonna go drink some more.
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Trapick posted:Sure just give the sharks guns, what could possibly go wrong. Sharks lol It's the dolphins you need to worry about.
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I am a free corp on the land and I DO NOT CONSENT TO YOUR DECREE!
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Question for the legal thread: consent decrees are basically optional right? They can't force you to sign the consent decree (hence the consent) but once you've signed it has its own terms which govern, often overseen by a court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_decree
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So, there's a guy, fail race, on YouTube who seems to have pioneered an entirely new way of playing GTA 5. He and his friends set up in a bunch of cars, he gets a head start, and he needs to make it 24 in game hours without being caught and killed. It's really fun, compelling to watch, and I'm wondering what The implications would be (if any) if Rockstar games were to make an official version of this game mode. The more I think about it, the more I realize that there must be something in the terms of service that says Rockstar basically owns everything about the game, including new ways of playing it. So, if they want to come up with their own version of survive the hunt, and monetize it, they wouldn't owe the inventor of the game mode a dime. Would this need to be spelled out in the terms of service? Or is it kind of implicit that if someone else invents a new way of playing the game, because it's your IP, you effectively own it even though you didn't come up with it.
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null_pointer posted:So, there's a guy, fail race, on YouTube who seems to have pioneered an entirely new way of playing GTA 5. He and his friends set up in a bunch of cars, he gets a head start, and he needs to make it 24 in game hours without being caught and killed. It's really fun, compelling to watch, and I'm wondering what The implications would be (if any) if Rockstar games were to make an official version of this game mode. I don't think you can copyright a series of rules to make a game (regardless of whether that game is conducted inside another game) https://www.americanbar.org/groups/..._copyright_law/ quote:Game Rules Are Not Copyrightable
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null_pointer posted:So, there's a guy, fail race, on YouTube who seems to have pioneered an entirely new way of playing GTA 5. He and his friends set up in a bunch of cars, he gets a head start, and he needs to make it 24 in game hours without being caught and killed. It's really fun, compelling to watch, and I'm wondering what The implications would be (if any) if Rockstar games were to make an official version of this game mode. Rules to a game basically don’t have IP protection. The exact text of a rulebook can be copyrighted, but if someone wants to make a game with the same rules but described differently, that’s fine. See DotA and LoL for example.
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Okay, I really wasn't expecting that answer, and now I'm wondering how you copyright a board game. If you're not able to copyright the rules, what exactly is your IP?
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Phrasing, art, fluff, trademarks, brand names.
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What about the pieces? Can you protect a specific aspect of their design that's integral to gameplay? I'm thinking for something like Jenga, the pieces are intentionally different sizes because the game would otherwise be impossible. It's not just a bunch of identical rectangular blocks, because that wouldn't be very playable. They have to be slightly different from each other so that, when stacked, you have gaps between pieces that allow you to take them out.
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DaveSauce posted:What about the pieces? Can you protect a specific aspect of their design that's integral to gameplay? Buddy, when you google Jenga Pieces it's gonna fuckin' blow your mind Edit: oh you're talking about the minute differences, that would be patent, if anything Edit 2: Here's Jenga's patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US5611544A/en Devor fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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null_pointer posted:Okay, I really wasn't expecting that answer, and now I'm wondering how you copyright a board game. If you're not able to copyright the rules, what exactly is your IP? Companies actually release reskinned versions of board games pretty commonly. There are multiple card games that are just Dominion with different art. People sell Magic cubes (boxes of several thousand cards) that just have renamed mechanics/cards/different art. Fantasy Flight lost the licensing to Battlestar Galactica, so just reskinned the game as Cthulhu.
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DaveSauce posted:What about the pieces? Can you protect a specific aspect of their design that's integral to gameplay? Not with copyright. In vastly oversimplified terms the function of a physical object must be decorative, not functional, to obtain a copyright on it. If you want IP protection for functionality you're looking at patents, which are...hard to get...for game pieces.
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You can also find very sad ripoffs of 'Sorry' and 'Trouble' at discount stores. I once bought 'Frustration' because it was cheap.
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Trapick posted:I once bought 'Frustration' because it was cheap. Haven't we all
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How we do it with stuff in my field is you leave out instructions to make one of the reagents. Then label the black box reagent as something stupid and call it a brand name. Then base your entire protocol on using this brand name reagent and have all your grad students publish as many papers as they can using that protocol. Doesn't seem to matter if the protocol is better than what's already available. That specific reagent gets some kind of patent and people have to come to you for it until it gets reverse engineered by some frustrated person on researchgate.
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Yeah IP protection in biotech is a totally different question.
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euphronius posted:I didn’t see the movie but the Somalis were in no way the “bad guys” in that whole episode The majority of the people arrested by the UNSC naval effort were actually fishermen, pirates just captured dhows and used those as motherships to sail beyond the patrols. Eventually local governments banned pirates from their land bases ( because they scared away the merchants) and that mostly ended them. PawParole fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Nov 11, 2022 |
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null_pointer posted:So, there's a guy, fail race, on YouTube who seems to have pioneered an entirely new way of playing GTA 5. He and his friends set up in a bunch of cars, he gets a head start, and he needs to make it 24 in game hours without being caught and killed. It's really fun, compelling to watch, and I'm wondering what The implications would be (if any) if Rockstar games were to make an official version of this game mode. This was a big deal for DotA2 incidentally since the IP involved started exactly the same way, a game made inside another game. https://www.eurogamer.net/blizzard-and-valve-settle-dota-trademark-disagreement Although that kind of hunted vs hunter thing has been happening as a game within a game in other places; there's several Minecraft videos with the same concept.
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euphronius posted:I mean it was In the Somali case basically a tax or tariff . Lol yes, taxing vessels in international waters. At gunpoint. No problems here at all.
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Muir posted:Rules to a game basically don’t have IP protection. The exact text of a rulebook can be copyrighted, but if someone wants to make a game with the same rules but described differently, that’s fine. See DotA and LoL for example. This is part of the reason why roller derby used to be a fake sport: the promoter who invented it got mad that he couldn’t copyright the rules of the sport, so he turned it into a “theatrical presentation” and started suing other promoters for infringing upon his “play.”
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evilweasel posted:Not with copyright. In vastly oversimplified terms the function of a physical object must be decorative, not functional, to obtain a copyright on it. That's kinda fascinating. I avoided the word patent because I wasn't sure where this would fall in the scheme of IP protections. I suppose I could have also used an example like the game Mousetrap or something, which apparently was also patented.
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Harold Fjord posted:Any chance of piercing the corporate veil on Musk? Nah. You’d have to go through multiple layers of control to do that, and each one is definitely structured in the legal way to shield musk and his coinvestors. When twitter goes belly up the banks will just be left holding the bag for their debt and elon et al will be out whatever they put in that hasn’t been recouped.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Lol yes, taxing vessels in international waters. At gunpoint. No problems here at all. It wasn’t always international waters 
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nah. You’d have to go through multiple layers of control to do that, and each one is definitely structured in the legal way to shield musk and his coinvestors. He fired all those.
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Harold Fjord posted:He fired all those. Nah he fired Twitter’s lawyers. He paid other lawyers a lot of money to draft up the corporate structure docs and presumably other investors have had input. Apartheid Clyde may not have much respect for federal regulators, but he does at least give the fig leaf that is required by the American legal system to limit ownership liability. For example, even if they are wholly controlled, all his public companies have boards of directors that go through the proper quarterly motions to ensure he and all other owners get shielded from liability.
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euphronius posted:It wasn’t always international waters “Territorial waters” If that means the EEZ those are international waters. I highly doubt any of these vessels are coming within 12 miles of the coast. Either way lol at thinking piracy is ok.
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Disney has made a lot of money with movies featuring pirates as heros for example . Piracy is generally accepted. It is more honorable then being a ceo or whatever
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I’m gonna pirate your rear end
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I’m gonna pirate your rear end I've seen that film but I don't think disney made it
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nah he fired Twitter’s lawyers. He paid other lawyers a lot of money to draft up the corporate structure docs and presumably other investors have had input. Who are the board of directors now that our boy has taken Twitter private? People are saying Twitter/Elon is/are already in violation of the FTC consent decree for not timely filing the transfer of ownership paperwork. Introduction of new features without a written infosec plan is also a violation of that decree. If he's violating the law as CEO, can't he become personally liable like that ice cream exec who's going to do time for poisoning all those people?
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Lol yes, taxing vessels in international waters. At gunpoint. No problems here at all. Local admiralty law
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Trapick posted:You can also find very sad ripoffs of 'Sorry' and 'Trouble' at discount stores. I once bought 'Frustration' because it was cheap. The divorce, on the other hand... Hyper Inferno posted:Although that kind of hunted vs hunter thing has been happening as a game within a game in other places; there's several Minecraft videos with the same concept. I feel like there's been precedent set here in The Running Man, as a recent example. BonerGhost posted:If he's violating the law as CEO, can't he become personally liable like that ice cream exec who's going to do time for poisoning all those people? No, he's too wealthy to prosecute.
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BonerGhost posted:Who are the board of directors now that our boy has taken Twitter private? As far as divvying up the financial pain: - Musk is out $20 billion in simple plain "sell stock, get money, use money to buy twitter", then another $6.25 billion in personal bank loans with Tesla stock as collateral. That's all spent for Twitter shares already. He has enough Tesla stock that's still priced high enough that the banks issuing those personal loans are likely to get paid. - A bunch of not-very-smart banks threw $13 billion into the acquisition as leveraged buyout funding. New Twitter owes that money now (that's the ~$1billion/year interest figure that's kicked around) and those banks get first dibs in bankruptcy. They will still probably lose money because Twitter's not going to meet that interest payments, and the wreckage of the company won't be worth anywhere close to that. - A bunch of other individual investors (Saudis, etc...) spent $7 billion and probably won't get much back
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