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mlmp08 posted:If I say that the garden won’t grow unless it rains, I’m not ordering the plants to withhold their growth unless the sky gives me what I want. you seem really hung up on debating pedantically against the word "demanded" from the FF quote instead of listening to what I'm actually saying here. I'm not saying the US went to Ukraine and ordered them officially to retake Kherson
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Nov 10, 2022 16:45
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OctaMurk posted:rly sux for all those ukrainian and russian workers being conscripted to die in trenches tho That isn’t even a preview of how bad things will get in the future though. We are barely into the prelude for the carnage to come. speng31b posted:you seem really hung up on debating pedantically against the word "demanded" from the FF quote instead of listening to what I'm actually saying here. I'm not saying the US went to Ukraine and ordered them officially to retake Kherson Isn’t so fun is it my man
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Nov 10, 2022 16:46
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Ardennes posted:Isn’t so fun is it my man 
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Nov 10, 2022 16:48
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Ardennes posted:Admittedly, more recently a Russian brigade took some losses, not catastrophic but noteworthy, and Russian telegram was abuzz about how many generals that should be fired etc etc.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:48
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speng31b posted:you seem really hung up on debating pedantically against the word "demanded" from the FF quote Also that he’s making the argument that Russia never fought for Kherson, which is plainly false, and I’m not sure what the angle is on making that up when Russia has fought to retain Kherson for the last 9+ weeks. I said this statement below was false. You didn’t like that for whatever reason? “What kills me is the entire western media was saying London and DC demanded Ukraine take Kherson before winter, it was do or die for Kiev,”
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Nov 10, 2022 16:49
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euphronius posted:China is not far right Wow you’re right I didnt know russia was china my bad dk2m posted:this war is the first groundswell of a complete break from the US Treasury standard. Russia not only can’t be regime changed like Venezuela was by economic sanctions, they have competently managed the economic shocks and used diplomacy to shore up a Eurasian bilateral trade bloc using energy as the commodity. conversely, our own allies like Germany are meeting with China and acknowledging an emerging multipolar world that they don’t want to be left behind in. I mean the emergence of a multi-polar world was gonna happen either ways, this war may have accelerated alot of it, but also, my argument wasnt whether the war was gonna break american economic hegemony, my arguement was that russia winning or losing was going to do absolutely nothing for socialism. Also, I really hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the emerging multi-polar world is going to be a competition between two nationalist countries, China and the US, it’s not the mutual benefit type situation like the Nehru-Sukarno-Nasser was. BUT! You might be right in a sense that the world being multi-polar gives more openings for socialists and leftists to exploit and move in, for example latin america has managed to get into a pink tide thanks to the space they’ve been awarded from this multi polar conflict. Militarily though, america is still #1 top dog, the only people I’ve seen who can actually outfight the nato armies in the long term in localized conflicts are the islamists of their different flavours, but those guys used intelligence, craftiness and competence to get their long term goals and the russians have learned nothing from their allies in the middle east. The only real bright spot I see in terms of a good path forward is latin america. Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 16:55 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 16:50
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Ardennes posted:That isn’t even a preview of how bad things will get in the future though. We are barely into the prelude for the carnage to come. [banging on desk] TRENCH! WAR! TRENCH! WAR! TRENCH! WAR!
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Nov 10, 2022 16:50
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mlmp08 posted:I said this statement below was false. You didn’t like that for whatever reason? it's hyperbole, that's for sure. ill just repost my actual viewpoint for clarity's sake speng31b posted:yeah to be clear this is never something the US would say explicitly. The thing that is clear is Washington is sending a message about what it sees is the move that puts Ukraine in a "strong negotiating position". From a certain standpoint it's seen as putting pressure on Ukraine, and from another it's seen as urging them to be more open to negotiations given "some" set of conditions.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:53
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Ardennes posted:I think a lot of people would disagree here and would say while Russia isn’t socialist, China is and if China succeeds they need Russia to be around in some form. NATO expansion isn’t also in China’s interest. I don't think Putin is Hitler or that Russia is Nazi Germany or poses a threat to China, but my sincere question is if socialists similarly argued in favor of Germany in warring with the liberal capitalist powers because they believed it would dismantle the capitalist world order during the Molotov-Ribbentrop period. Cheering on a right wing nationalist war because it theoretically might benefit a third party socialist country just seems a little galaxy brained to me.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:53
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speng31b posted:It's been read and interpreted both ways by multiple sources picking up the story depending on their perspective. This edit is fine, no issue there. It’s an entirely different claim from what I said was untrue in FF’s post. If you’d like me to say that other points, ones FF did not make and which I did not say are untrue, might be reasonable, yes? Yes, completely different arguments that I never said were plainly untrue might be reasonable. speng31b posted:it's hyperbole, that's for sure. Hyperbole is exaggeration. It’s misleading in to e and just untrue, by the facts.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:54
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Al-Saqr posted:Wow you’re right I didnt know russia was china my bad What is a non-nationalist power on this planet at the moment? Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:56 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 16:54
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mlmp08 posted:This edit is fine, no issue there. It’s an entirely different claim from what I said was untrue in FF’s post. i can't even parse this post lol
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Nov 10, 2022 16:54
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Ardennes posted:What is a non-nationalist power on this planet at the moment? Sadly the only group are theocratic crazies like islamists, but I think those guys have been soundly defeated as a concept from the arab spring. The Shi’ites islamists are far more successful but they are limited in their reach given their sectarian outlook.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:55
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Humm https://twitter.com/zagey_yya/status/1590720749341675520?t=1iHRDbLdOQnFp-20iVkaqA&s=19 https://twitter.com/macakcarli/status/1590722413343698946?t=xh6473RrK93W5bX826WxMA&s=19 Very generous of the Vatican not to demand forced conversion as part of the peace deal
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Nov 10, 2022 16:56
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speng31b posted:i can't even parse this post lol FF posts obviously untrue statement. I say it’s untrue. You defend FF’s statement as true and imply evidence exists to support it, but provide no evidence of his claim. You pivot to a wholly different argument, distinct from FF’s argument. I am saying that by changing the argument entirely away from FF’s claim, your new claim is one that I never argued was untrue. And you have now arrived at a much more reasonable assessment.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:59
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Ardennes posted:What is a non-nationalist power on this planet at the moment? climate change?
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Nov 10, 2022 16:59
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Al-Saqr posted:Sadly the only group are theocratic crazies like islamists, but I think those guys have been soundly defeated as a concept from the arab spring. The Shi’ites are far more successful but they are limited in their reach given their sectarian outlook. Is religious based identity much of a useful alternative than a ethnic-national one? Even so if you are saying a multi-polarity is leading to more socialist movements in Latin America, it seems like the preferred alternative.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:59
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:Humm This sounds really fake. There’s no way the ukranians will up and leave donetsk as a whole.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:00
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Ardennes posted:What is a non-nationalist power on this planet at the moment? Elon Musk
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Nov 10, 2022 17:01
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mlmp08 posted:FF posts obviously untrue statement. ok, my take was you misinterpreted FF's argument, but i think one could also say that I'm prone to a more generous reading of it than you are. I only "pivoted to a different argument" because i can't speak on behalf of FF, if he wants to clarify he's welcome
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Nov 10, 2022 17:02
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Ardennes posted:Is religious based identity much of a useful alternative than a ethnic-national one? Nah religious based identity is not better, it’s just more trans-national. Yeah it’s good that the space is opening up for third world socialism I agree.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:02
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:Elon Musk White nationalism still counts
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Nov 10, 2022 17:03
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Also we don’t know the west did or did not demand anything because no one has the clearance level, including probably FF. So it is a completely moot conversation. Double post
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Nov 10, 2022 17:05
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even if the west demanded anything it would be a spectacular level of naïveté or stupidity for the Russians to believe them
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Nov 10, 2022 17:06
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Ardennes posted:Also we don’t know the west did or did not demand anything because no one has the clearance level, including probably FF. So it is a completely moot conversation. Time for FF to go all War Thunder imo quote:War Thunder Player Leaks Classified Military Tank Documents Again]War Thunder Player Leaks Classified Military Documents... Again
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Nov 10, 2022 17:08
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Al-Saqr posted:Wow you’re right I didnt know russia was china my bad it’s ok . this stuff is complicated
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Nov 10, 2022 17:10
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A week ago: Why Putin will fight for Kherson: Fresh water and land bridge to Crimea U.S. privately asks Ukraine to show it’s open to negotiate with Russia Russia-Ukraine War Ukraine Says Russian Troops Will Fight for Key City as Proxy Government Flees Russia-Ukraine War Pentagon Unveils New U.S. Command and More Ukraine Aid and on and on, there was a clear focus in the western press on Kherson as a prerequisite for peace negotiations and aid in light of Ukraine producing results . You can say it’s officials speaking off the record, but let’s be clear about the amount of eyes turned here from Ukraine’s patrons.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:10
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Al-Saqr posted:nationalist countries, China 
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Nov 10, 2022 17:11
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Frosted Flake posted:A week ago: Why Putin will fight for Kherson: Fresh water and land bridge to Crimea idk, can you be more explicit to prove your claim vis a vis the word choice "demanded?"
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Nov 10, 2022 17:14
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Frosted Flake posted:A week ago: Why Putin will fight for Kherson: Fresh water and land bridge to Crimea Those are links to stories that do not support your claims. You might as well have linked to F1 standings. I mean, this is the evidence you're posting that the US demanded that Ukraine take Kherson by winter and that it's "do or die"? quote:WASHINGTON — The Defense Department is setting up a new command to oversee how the United States and its allies train and equip the Ukrainian military, the Pentagon announced on Friday along with a new package of $400 million in security assistance.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:16
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I mean dont get me wrong china has a lot of good points and has really good stuff going on, but they are nowhere near as internationalist as "hand everyone an AK-47 to fight a global liberation from colonialism" as the the soviet union. China has Political, economic and military goals, but they're to the primary benefit of China and it's companies, yes alot of their international trade deals and infrastructure projects are impressive and opened up alot of countries to development that wasnt there before, but I get the feeling that once china attains enough power projection capability the fangs will start coming out on smaller countries.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:16
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i have personally demanded that ukraine takes kherson by december or else zelenskyy will lose my internet posting support
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Nov 10, 2022 17:17
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China took a much different path than the ussr since 1980 or so.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:18
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Al-Saqr posted:Wow you’re right I didnt know russia was china my bad a multipolar world is not an inevitability - it requires complex legal mechanisms as well as diplomacy amongst partners that don’t have common ideologies, unlike the current Washington consensus. it remains to be seen what this emerging world will look like but here’s what we know so far - the current system depends on US dollar liquidity, as central banks use these dollars to conduct routine trade. this means that there needs to be enough US dollars (not debt obligations like US Treasury bonds) spread out. the way that this happens is not through private capital, which is where marxists tend to focus, but in military spending by the U.S. our military spending for base maintenance, weapon purchases, etc is effectively limitless because other countries need those dollars we create in order for them to buy things like food. if there is a competing system that works like a bancor note instead of being depending on a single countries currency, then all of a sudden US dollars aren’t as precious and therefore the US military is at risk. we won’t be able to recycle dollars from central banks back to our domestic treasury when it’s converted to debt that everyone understand will never actually be paid back. this would mean the end of limitless military spending and our currency is at risk of devaluation; if there’s a pullback of central bank of dollars to BRIC bancors, then our debt obligations spiral and it creates bond sell offs and liquidity freezes. there’s a reason why we are preparing for a showdown with China because a genuine alternative system means the end of what started in the 80s of imposing austerity measures on the world via military spending and debt obligations and boosting our equity markets by buying up distressed state assets leftist movements could move more freely to create protectionist economies and not depend on forced U.S. policies like allowing cheap U.S. agriculture to undercut their local producers, or agreeing to currency control measures to not devalue their local currency to boost exports
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Nov 10, 2022 17:18
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OctaMurk posted:i have personally demanded that ukraine takes kherson by december or else zelenskyy will lose my internet posting support Russia now blasting the hell march and throwing open the factory doors to reveal the Mammoth Tank v. 2023 early.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:19
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The future of Ukraine is looking brighter than ever. https://twitter.com/Lbuanews/status/1590452825603309569 quote:The reduction of the maximum number of ministries' and other central executive bodies' personnel is also expected, in some cases - by more than a half.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:19
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Ardennes posted:Also we don’t know the west did or did not demand anything because no one has the clearance level, including probably FF. So it is a completely moot conversation. I’m not read in on any of this stuff. If Ukraine starts firing wheeling and box barrages then maybe I’ve had to get involved somehow. The rumour mill is of course that Canada is involved up to the eyeballs but that’s not my area of responsibility. The limitation for me throughout has been that Russia is not doing what they are able or “supposed” to do, and since I know dick all about Russian politics, I can only guess at why. It’s a stupid way to fight a way imo but I am reassured over and over that it’s actually brilliant diplomacy by other means, which seems r-slurred but I never liked the New Generation Warfare stuff anyway. It’s not like the Russian defence attache is going to speak at the Army Institute about how Putin needs to keep the oligarchs happy, they want their business interests intact and as little damage done as possible in order to repair relations and unfreeze their western bank accounts. The slavic nationalism bruderkrieg thing might be a telegram only phenomenon or something people in Moscow really believe. I can’t know either way. Similarly I can’t figure out the point of the referendums if Kherson is now a Russian city but Russia is still not at war and remains tied to the Special Military Operation. Nobody has explained this to me, Canada would have entered a war footing a long time before this in their place. To be honest the amount of legalism is a surprise, even I had thought Russia had a strong executive for things like this but instead there’s this emphasis on what I see as dilly dallying but about a quarter to a third of Russians on the English speaking telegram channels see as signs of how brilliant the plan is - all this stuff about the long view, thinking far ahead, you have to remember this is a SMO, no you don’t understand that would cost lives etc. No SC is going to make sense of that because the studies on high level leadership I read said that the USSR and RF would wage war all out and use that for negotiations, rather than focus on the negotiations and use the military to nudge it towards a frozen conflict. Reminds me of the last two years of Korea where nothing on the battlefield really mattered but was all about diplomatic bluffing or bargaining positions.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:24
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To paraphrase John Dolan, all we have to go on is comments to the press “that the West needs to "win" in Ukraine in part because the Chinese leadership is watching the war closely for lessons about how to achieve its goal of dominating Taiwan.” “This is one of the reasons why it is so essential that we tough it out on Ukraine … and we help the Ukrainians to win, or at least negotiate from a significant position of strength,” said Richard Moore, director of MI6, the United Kingdom’s foreign intelligence agency. “It’s because Xi Jinping is watching this like a hawk.” So, sure, it’s not a demand, just what’s required of the proxy by the people underwriting their entire state I guess.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:27
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Frosted Flake posted:No SC is going to make sense of that because the studies on high level leadership I read said that the USSR and RF would wage war all out and use that for negotiations, rather than focus on the negotiations and use the military to nudge it towards a frozen conflict. Reminds me of the last two years of Korea where nothing on the battlefield really mattered but was all about diplomatic bluffing or bargaining positions. reddit rear end wars ftw
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Lostconfused posted:The future of Ukraine is looking brighter than ever. my mind read the last line as quote:The Government Centre, directly subordinated to the Prime Minister, will be coordinating strategies and pogroms.
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