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kru posted:It isnt legally possible for the blame to be pushed from the company entity to an employee If the company can prove that you did it intentionally, I think you can be blamed? So Musk just has to have the paperwork to be like "we asked this engineer to not break the law it's their fault they broke it."
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Data Graham posted:I'm going to die if the real live Pope used the "my brothers in Christ" meme intentionally It was a phrase used by Christians long before it was a meme. St. Paul called his fellow Christians "brothers" (and sometimes added "for whom Christ died"). Around AD 400, St. Augustine of Hippo addressed St. Jerome in a letter as "My Honored Brother in Christ", which is the earliest I can find that exact phrase written down. I also checked, and @Pontifex didn't tweet that recently. William Bear fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 18:17
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Why don't these celebrities who hate Twitter do what I did and delete their loving accounts?
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Nov 10, 2022 18:19
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This is insanely stupid. How the gently caress do you expect your engineers to be law experts to a degree where they can certify compliance or even fully understand the laws and regulations? I sure as gently caress wouldn't! And I bet if poo poo hit the fan, my company would be turbo hosed when a court heard that they decided not to have a compliance department anymore and instead told us engineers to do it ourselves. But then I live in Finland where the laws are at least semi-sane so who knows how it works in the United States?
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Nov 10, 2022 18:28
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loving with Elon seems like a decent enough reason to stay on the platform for now. Until it stops being fun
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kru posted:It isnt legally possible for the blame to be pushed from the company entity to an employee If the system is working properly it's not from / to, it's as well as. Like the company gets lots of fines, and if the compliance people were falsifying their areas of responsibility they can get direct legal penalties, orders like "you're barred from this industry", jail, etc. Ex Theranos, was facing a lot of FDA fines and stuff (but went under first). But Holmes and the COO are going to prison, and some of their chief people can't work in any medical position of importance again. (the system isn't working properly a lot of the time)
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Nov 10, 2022 18:47
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I like how Musk is setting up to fight the FTC which it seems is the only US regulatory body with any teeth. Large rending teeth
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:This is insanely stupid. How the gently caress do you expect your engineers to be law experts to a degree where they can certify compliance or even fully understand the laws and regulations? I sure as gently caress wouldn't! And I bet if poo poo hit the fan, my company would be turbo hosed when a court heard that they decided not to have a compliance department anymore and instead told us engineers to do it ourselves. Elmo thinks he’s above the law. His legal team thinks so too. Hence the poo poo about “we build rockets, we’re not afraid of the FTC”
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Klyith posted:If the system is working properly it's not from / to, it's as well as. But are the situations the same? There's no legal expectation for engineers to understand relevant laws, like there might be in finance or something. The coders at Twitter didn't have to pass legal exams or get certified. "We violated an FTC requirement we didn't even know existed after our rear end in a top hat boss decided not to hire a new legal department" can't be grounds for getting sued into oblivion for accidentally violating a requirement, surely?
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Hardcastlemccormik posted:Elmo thinks he’s above the law. His legal team thinks so too. Hence the poo poo about “we build rockets, we’re not afraid of the FTC” Leon is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything
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Hardcastlemccormik posted:Elmo thinks he’s above the law. His legal team thinks so too. Hence the poo poo about “we build rockets, we’re not afraid of the FTC” wonder if his legal team is all the lawyers that @ him their resumes
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:But are the situations the same? There's no legal expectation for engineers to understand relevant laws, like there might be in finance or something. The coders at Twitter didn't have to pass legal exams or get certified. "We violated an FTC requirement we didn't even know existed after our rear end in a top hat boss decided not to hire a new legal department" can't be grounds for getting sued into oblivion for accidentally violating a requirement, surely? I think this really depends on a lot of things. If you violated that law intentionally, of your own choice, I think you could be ask risk over the company if the company could prove that. Part of how they could prove it is to show the legal training they have everyone go through annually that says things like "Don't send code for managing rockets to Russia" and show that you went through that training, based on logs in their system. It won't show that Musk walked over to your desk and yelled at you until you gave in and sent the rocket code to Russia.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:05
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In the uk you also have people like company secretaries who are responsibly for aligning to whatever laws the company may encounter in their search for fluidity, I've been offered the position a couple of times and sure could have earned some bux, but as you can see from my not in prison status, i politely declined.
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Hardcastlemccormik posted:Elmo thinks he’s above the law. He's been right more often than he's been wrong on that. Hard to enforce the law on a guy who has more money than many sovereign nations.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:10
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"How do you define a troll?" "Anyone making fun of ME or Twitter!"
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Nov 10, 2022 19:12
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8 hours out of the new 16-hour in-office work days for all Twitter engineers will consist of going through spam/bot reports manually and clicking YES/NO on each. TOP PRIORITY.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:14
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Waffle House queues up a favorite song of his https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmdiKePVUy8
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Lol at this - beginning of the thread https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1590619676467683334?t=ar0Gma_-mt3re0zKbRZrvg&s=19 Here's where the funny starts - the emai was sent after euro workdays had already started https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1590623323611799553?t=plL3y9SP5QgEWfIM4wk7cg&s=19 And he didn't warn hr https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1590721798647459843?t=ROGP3D90iHfXAUA4t0Gf_A&s=19
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Nov 10, 2022 19:15
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I think "FTC injunction" and "blacklisted by payment processors" are neck and neck for immediate cause of Twitter's downfall (with "spaghetti code unravelling" being a not-so distant third)
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Nov 10, 2022 19:16
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Report every Elon Tweet as spam.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:16
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At this point it’s just a matter of betting on how Twitter dies 1. Unfixable and hilariously long downtime 2. Small accruing bugs that make it almost unusable 3. Overrun by right wing idiots (esp if Musk goes over to the office of Al Gorithm and prioritizes his stans) 4. The FTC 5. Runs out of money 6. Trying to become a bank and failing 7. Blacklisted by all payment processors The answer is likely a combo of all of them I guess
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:But are the situations the same? There's no legal expectation for engineers to understand relevant laws, like there might be in finance or something. The coders at Twitter didn't have to pass legal exams or get certified. "We violated an FTC requirement we didn't even know existed after our rear end in a top hat boss decided not to hire a new legal department" can't be grounds for getting sued into oblivion for accidentally violating a requirement, surely? Uh, I dunno. Like, the sham thing where the company makes everyone sign a "don't violate laws" agreement and then says it was the employees' responsibility isn't gonna do that. But lets say Elon walks into your office tomorrow and says "we're gonna sell all user information to advertisers with no limit, you get that set up by the end of the week". If you don't think about things like COPA, then yes it could be your rear end on the line as well as the company. You don't have any evidence that you were specifically instructed to sell all data including kids, welp, guess it was your decision! This is why the advice by the departing CISO said not to sign anything without looking closely.
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goatface posted:Report every Elon Tweet as spam. you are now marked a confirmed troll by the algorithm.
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KitConstantine posted:Lol at this - beginning of the thread I would just ignore anything Elon says to do at this point, including if he tries to fire you. There is nothing illegal about doing so and probably will just save everyone's rear end, including his, in the future as he tries to faceroll everything.
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Violent overthrow of the server rooms by an angry collective of junior staffers and complete deletion of the database.
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goatface posted:Report every Elon Tweet as spam. Patch notes: Can no longer block or report Elon
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:But are the situations the same? There's no legal expectation for engineers to understand relevant laws, like there might be in finance or something. The coders at Twitter didn't have to pass legal exams or get certified. "We violated an FTC requirement we didn't even know existed after our rear end in a top hat boss decided not to hire a new legal department" can't be grounds for getting sued into oblivion for accidentally violating a requirement, surely?
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Rad Russian posted:8 hours out of the new 16-hour in-office work days for all Twitter engineers will consist of going through spam/bot reports manually and clicking YES/NO on each. TOP PRIORITY. Manual verification, no machine learning? Sad!
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There is no greater pro argument for WFH than the fact that Elon is against it.
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Tunicate posted:Manual verification, no machine learning? Sad! AIs can't be expected to work when given conflicting instructions every day.
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If you're a twitter employee and you're not spending all day every day applying for other jobs, what are you even doing rn
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Serious_Cyclone posted:If you're a twitter employee and you're not spending all day every day applying for other jobs, what are you even doing rn chitchatting by the 'ol kegerator in the kitchen?
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Nov 10, 2022 19:33
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I'd be doing gently caress all. Just sitting around. May as well!
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checkmark update: after conceding that existing verified users can keep their checkmark without paying, elon has now changed his mind again and wants paying to be the only way to get a checkmark https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590757322149998592 also the highest ranked replies to this tweet (for me at least) are all fake elon crypto money doubler scams lol
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Both polishing my resume and trying to look as redundant as possible so that I get included in the next botched layoff that will result in class action dollars
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People have been working from home for years at this point. There must be tons of employees who've joined since then who have always worked from home and don't live in the same State as any with Twitter offices in. Also have they bothered paying rent/not selling off all this office space they haven't needed for those years, seems unlikely. Do they physically possess enough Office Space and supporting facilities for everyone to theoretically turn up to?
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Deptfordx posted:People have been working from home for years at this point. There must be tons of employees who've joined since then who have always worked from home and don't live in the same State as any with Twitter offices in. one of marissa mayer's first orders at yahoo was to force everyone back into the office. that worked out great for her. the twitter office in SF is huge, and before the pandemic a large percentage worked in that office (it is pretty nice, i've been in their old office and that one was already pretty big). so in SF yes. else where, specially outside of US? *shrug*
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