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icecastle
Jun 9, 2008

Super Jay Mann posted:

Isn't this literally how that one really old British bank went belly up? Cause one of their traders was pulling this crap and nobody noticed until it was too late?

As usual with crypto it is much stupider than it initially appears. It is a million times more shady than banks for a few reasons but the most glaring reason is they create their own imaginary currency out of thin air they can can manipulate

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aw frig aw dang it
Jun 1, 2018


slidebite posted:

So is crypto horseshack going to jail and the whole shitcoin scam finally going away?

everybody's losin', everybody's ruined baby
funky little shack

big black turnout
Jan 13, 2009



Fallen Rib

Diva Cupcake posted:

He literally wrote that FTX US was unaffected yesterday lol

https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1590709195892195329

Very minor point here but that is not what loving modulo means.

Okay I guess it's possible that it somehow does work on modulo because it's cryptoshit but I'm pretty sure it doesn't

drk
Jan 16, 2005
plot twist: tether is going to end up being the last one standing, aren't they

double plot twist: because they are laundering money for organized crime or something and insolvency would attract unwanted attention

Pf. Hikikomoriarty
Feb 15, 2003

RO YNSHO


Slippery Tilde

Agents are GO! posted:

This is not how I remember that part of the Bible.

Edit: Surprisingly relevant.

lmao

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

big black turnout posted:

Very minor point here but that is not what loving modulo means.

Okay I guess it's possible that it somehow does work on modulo because it's cryptoshit but I'm pretty sure it doesn't

It's a semi-misuse of the jargon.txt term.

ESR's stupid-rear end website posted:

modulo: /mod�yu�loh/, prep.
Except for. An overgeneralization of mathematical terminology; one can consider saying that 4 equals 22 except for the 9s (4 = 22 mod 9). “Well, LISP seems to work okay now, modulo that GC bug.” “I feel fine today modulo a slight headache.”

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
*man carrying 8 billion dollars in cash stumbles, spilling the pile into a sewer drain*

Hm..you know his vocabulary could use some improvement.

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?
https://twitter.com/kris/status/1590155368914903040

No irresponsible lending.
That means lending.

drk
Jan 16, 2005

HappyHippo posted:

https://twitter.com/kris/status/1590155368914903040

No irresponsible lending.
That means lending.

Crypto.com, like all the other exchanges, also invented themselves a shitcoin (CRO) which is down >90% this year and 10% just today. The top holder of the coin is naturally crypto.com itself, which surely couldnt cause any problems

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Armitage_Shanks posted:

Lets be clear now. There is not nearly as much protection as a nutshell would provide.

They busted that nut, for sure.

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

HappyHippo posted:

No irresponsible lending.
That means lending.

Their portfolio is HIGHLY diversified. Into a large number of various crypto holdings and crypto investments.

The funniest part of that statement is that they're using customer funds to mint/prop up their own shitcoin:
"Cronos (CRO) is the native token of Crypto.com's all-in-one cryptocurrency platform and the Crypto.org Chain"

Where have we seen this before?

Like I'd be suspicious if Bank of America got involved in printing their own "BOA bucks" to the tune of billions and telling me it's OK, my USD funds are safe while being converted into this currency.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Nov 11, 2022

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





https://twitter.com/bitcoinmagazine/status/1460701940615204870

there's also some rando goon that used extra steps to pay for his chipotle.. wonder where he is now?

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





FTX CEO ladies and germs

https://twitter.com/HowieBTC/status/1590905563692806144

koshmar
Oct 22, 2009

i'm not here

this isn't happening

Strong Sauce posted:

https://twitter.com/bitcoinmagazine/status/1460701940615204870

there's also some rando goon that used extra steps to pay for his chipotle.. wonder where he is now?

I could do that with tap to pay and my phone or watch in a fraction of the time it took that transaction to go through.

Welcome to the future.

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

Strong Sauce posted:

https://twitter.com/bitcoinmagazine/status/1460701940615204870

there's also some rando goon that used extra steps to pay for his chipotle.. wonder where he is now?

i cant believe this was only 2021, it feels like an eternity ago

RocketMermaid
Mar 30, 2004

My pronouns are She/Heir.


Chromatics posted:

i cant believe this was only 2021, it feels like an eternity ago

Does that mean the transaction finally just completed?

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





i just found a new lol from that video. he sent the payment over tor? lol no one gives a poo poo you bought a beer ya dummies.

aw frig aw dang it
Jun 1, 2018


Strong Sauce posted:

i just found a new lol from that video. he sent the payment over tor? lol no one gives a poo poo you bought a beer ya dummies.

making my beer purchase look sus 'cause it's good for bitcoin

Gutcruncher
Apr 16, 2005

Go home and be a family man!

Strong Sauce posted:

https://twitter.com/bitcoinmagazine/status/1460701940615204870

there's also some rando goon that used extra steps to pay for his chipotle.. wonder where he is now?

Oh my god I don’t think I’ve ever had the sound on when watching that before. He is commenting on how slow it is while doing it.

And then acts all happy in the end like it wasn’t a nightmare.

SettingSun
Aug 10, 2013

A truly exceptional video about forcing a square peg into a round hole.

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
God drat.

So what did alameda research do?


Because these exchanges were just trading coins back and forth right?

gently caress you d think it would be easy to run an exchange, dont make your own coin, dont loan out coins, keep a % of coins in cold storage, do what that bank retard did and lobby for regulations.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

hotdog feet
Nov 3, 2005
could have drank that same beer in the time it took to buy it, goddamn

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Ups_rail posted:

God drat.

So what did alameda research do?


Because these exchanges were just trading coins back and forth right?

gently caress you d think it would be easy to run an exchange, dont make your own coin, dont loan out coins, keep a % of coins in cold storage, do what that bank retard did and lobby for regulations.

Here is my rough understanding:

Alameda wanted to "invest" in a variety of shitcoins. They were doing this and making money as crypto was going up, so they doubled down and borrowed 6 billion in USD from FTX. In order to balance the books they gave them collateral which was in the form of FTT, a token invented by FTX.

Later the market went down and Alameda lost most of the money.

Even later FTX revealed by accident that most of their money was in FTT and they had very little USD. This caused people to realize they could never get their money out, and so people tried to be the first to withdraw and cash in their FTT and other coins. This led to a situations where all the USD was gone from FTX and they couldn't cash out any withdrawls, Meanwhile they can't get the money back from Alameda because they lost it all betting on shitcoins. All that's left is a pile of FTT which is completely worthless because nobody wants to buy it.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
When you consider that Alameda and FTX are functionally the same entity ran by the same person its easier to understand. FTX took a bunch of peoples money to use on the exchange. They bet it all at the casino and lost it, and now when people go to withdraw their funds its impossible.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Ups_rail posted:

God drat.

So what did alameda research do?


Because these exchanges were just trading coins back and forth right?

gently caress you d think it would be easy to run an exchange, dont make your own coin, dont loan out coins, keep a % of coins in cold storage, do what that bank retard did and lobby for regulations.

heres the thing about sociopaths/rich people, they always want more. there is never enough profit, never enough return. couple that with an environment where everyone around them is telling them constantly that theyre geniuses with diamond hands or whatever dumb crypto poo poo they come up with, and youve set the stage for some people who lucked into a vast fortune heading back to the table to gamble it all away.

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster


to be fair there's very little high level math (like the kind you'd get a math degree for) involved in finance. maybe in prediction models etc, but most of that is statistical analysis and depends on huge datasets, not like, the kind of stuff you'd be studying in a math degree program. you're not talking about graph theory and riemann surfaces in finance

Upgrade
Jun 19, 2021



I think you guys are being very uncharitable. Everyone makes mistakes. SBF just did an oopsies.

moana
Jun 18, 2005

one of the more intellectual satire communities on the web

big black turnout posted:

Very minor point here but that is not what loving modulo means.

Okay I guess it's possible that it somehow does work on modulo because it's cryptoshit but I'm pretty sure it doesn't
The correct math term to use here would be "up to": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to#:~:text=Equivalence%20relations%20are%20often%20used,%22ignoring%20the%20particular%20ordering%22.

But even there it says that people use modulo informally, so w/e

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
So my history is old but you had MTGOX.

there is clearly a demand for crypto trading just be the platform and not the bank/fed....oh god crypto is funny.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1591121315955900416

Live now

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
@AutismCapital

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

Rad Russian posted:

Their portfolio is HIGHLY diversified. Into a large number of various crypto holdings and crypto investments.

Well, if the portfolio is just reflecting their aggregate users' balance, it should come as no surprise their portfolio is a collection of garbage. As long as the users are able to withdraw the amount of garbage in their account, everything is fine.

I think crypto.com is US based right? in that case they are under at least some forms of regulation

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Paladinus posted:

@AutismCapital

lol

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
The pro-crypto guy talking about it is about to cry.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Well you've convinced me to invest, Lady Nerdlinger. Who could resist giving money to someone who has never, ever lost money?

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

ymgve posted:

I think crypto.com is US based right? in that case they are under at least some forms of regulation

FTX US is US based. Didn't stop them from funneling all the money into the various Caribbean subsidiaries run either by Mr Bankman or by his "friend from college" in the video linked earlier who became the CEO of multi-billion dollar investment company with the qualification of being bad at math and being Bankman's friend.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Nov 11, 2022

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

I just wanted to say it's really great to see SBF following through on his promise to give his entire fortune away.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

ThinkTank posted:

I just wanted to say it's really great to see SBF following through on his promise to give his entire fortune away.

and not just his!

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


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Rad Russian posted:

FTX US is US based. Didn't stop them from funneling all the money into the various Caribbean subsidiaries run either by Mr Bankman or by his "friend from college" in the video linked earlier who became the CEO of multi-billion dollar investment company with the qualification of being bad at math and being Bankman's friend.

I thought all the funneling was from the non-US part of FTX, though

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

ymgve posted:

I thought all the funneling was from the non-US part of FTX, though

officially yeah

let's wait till monday to see what the new ceo says

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