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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

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NeatHeteroDude posted:

Is there a triple-swastika?

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speng31b
May 8, 2010

NeatHeteroDude posted:

Is there a triple-swastika?

you can have as many as you want, youre grown up now

speng31b
May 8, 2010

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1591409862378139649

just can't help themselves

and every reply is like

https://twitter.com/MGwazdacz/status/1591413475494039552

speng31b has issued a correction as of 15:09 on Nov 12, 2022

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Ukraine doing the smart thing and preparing for the Russian build up Belarus now that putins given them years advance notice

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1591366934012260353?s=46&t=Wk54XL_UDke-scmlLSC7Pw

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Lenin would have been incredible at twitter

He'd also have been perma'd from SA at some point

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Al-Saqr posted:

Ukraine doing the smart thing and preparing for the Russian build up Belarus now that putins given them years advance notice

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1591366934012260353?s=46&t=Wk54XL_UDke-scmlLSC7Pw

Does it matter? Russia is done once and for all, there is no possible way for them to launch an offensive. Or maybe they do... no, sike no way...or can they

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 15:22 on Nov 12, 2022

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

mawarannahr posted:

you can’t spell taliban without lib

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

gradenko_2000 posted:

Lenin would have been incredible at twitter

He'd also have been perma'd from SA at some point

Marx telling Engels something to the effect of “sucks your girlfriend died young and out of the blue. BTW, paying rent is hard for me, and no wants to give me money anymore” was a real poster moment.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Al-Saqr posted:

I think overall the biggest and most important lesson we all learned from this is not to expect Americas enemies to be any smarter, any more competent or less insane than america is.

except for China, Xi Jinping is the smartest.

Art of War already explained it in plain language two thousand years ago, people just pretend they learn it in school but don't practice it in actual geopolitics.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 15:35 on Nov 12, 2022

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Ardennes posted:

Does it matter? Russia is done once and for all, there is no possible way for them to launch an offensive. Or maybe they do... no, sike no way...or can they

This is what I mean about their own fecklessness raising the cost daily. Those roads weren’t mined a month ago.

But based on the average age of General officers, and since my own bosses still think in terms of defending south German villages with Big Battalions, you would think the Russian officer corps would still be full of men trained to think in driving hell for leather all the way to the rear.

Why Russian politicians don’t have that kind of drive, I couldn’t say. I thought the 90’s were all about bold action to get out ahead, you know with a pilfered state up for grabs and a world to win.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:46 on Nov 12, 2022

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
it’s pretty hard to be worse than Nicky 2 but putin sure found a way to do it

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

gradenko_2000 posted:

Lenin would have been incredible at twitter

He'd also have been perma'd from SA at some point

PERMABAN 09/01/12 10:44pm Vladimir I. Lenin Your gimmick has gotten old and tired. You are no longer welcome on these forums. Fluffdaddy Fluffdaddy

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Frosted Flake posted:

Why Russian politicians don’t have that kind of drive, I couldn’t say. I thought the 90’s was all about bold action to get out again, you know with a pilfered state up for grabs and a world to win.

my rough understanding is that putin maintains his popularity by promising a similar level of detachment and risk aversion to what Americans have come to expect

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Al-Saqr posted:

it’s pretty hard to be worse than Nicky 2 but putin sure found a way to do it

The Russo-Japanese War is a great example because the Russians more or less let Port Arthur get encircled, had the Japanese Navy on the ropes but freaked out and returned to port after their only bold leader was killed when the flagship hit a mine, brought the cruisers in after Japanese trade and even the troopships heading to Korea were in dire straits.

speng31b posted:

my rough understanding is that putin maintains his popularity by promising a similar level of detachment and risk aversion to what Americans have come to expect

Levis and Bananas. It’s a tragedy after what their fathers and grandfathers built.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:51 on Nov 12, 2022

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

https://readovka.news/news/120043

I am not going to comment, but this sounds really bad.

Russia really is a neoliberal failed state

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

This is what I mean about their own fecklessness raising the cost daily. Those roads weren’t mined a month ago.

Admittedly, there really isn't a way to cover up mobilization and it is going to take time to get that force together (at least 2 months) so fortification has plenty of time to happen. It is a expected cost. I don't think it is the issue.

It goes back more to the point of Russia just dicking around as a whole for 8 months and that they have had no core strategy beyond "bright ideas" that come and go. You could argue that going "defensive" in the south at very least gives a Russian a more stable position to launch an offensive from the north, but then the Russians would need follow through, active reserves, and to plan well in advance to make it work. This isn't a capacity they have shown in this conflict. One thing is also, even if there was an offensive and they did damage, the Ukrainian army isn't going to simply give up or allow itself to be defeated in the field.

The thing I disagree about is that the Russians don't have the physical capabilities to change the direction of the war. They very much still go, but it is up to the Kremlin to decide is it worth it for them.

As for WW1, the entire issue was that the German Army was defeated and had nowhere to go. They were still in Belguim and Eastern Europe, but there was no way for them to stabilize their frontline without cannibalizing other sectors, and the more Americans that showed up, their only choice was retreat. The armistice was signed because they were simply running out of territory to retreat in Belguim and didn't want the allies to make their way into German territory. I would say for the Russians, the Russian Federation isn't out of men and equipment (although they are importing missile) but it very well be forced to go more and more into a wartime economy.

Private enterprises very well would have to be involved because the military can't fully supply itself. It doesn't mean they are relying on donations or their supply lines are cut but state manufacturing can't handle it on its own. I wouldn't say this is a permanent handicap on its own since Russian industry very much exists but a sign that the Russians can't move forward unless it is treated as a full scale war.

Basically, I would say the war is unwinnable if they refuse to treat it as such. If they did so, I would say the outcome is much more unclear.

Frosted Flake posted:

The Russo-Japanese War is a great example because the Russians more or less let Port Arthur get encircled, had the Japanese Navy on the ropes but freaked out and returned to port after their only bold leader was killed when the flagship hit a mine, brought the cruisers in after Japanese trade and even the troopships heading to Korea were in dire straits.

Most the engagements were inconclusive and the Russians were at an intrinsic disadvantage (which was rooted in being asleep at the switch for years prior). That said, you could made the argument that the Rozhestvensky by rushing the straits made defeat certain, and while his crew was fatigued from their journey. Their best course of action was not to seek battle and take a slower and longer route to Vladivostok to resupply and bring the fleet into fighting form. At that point, the main of the Russian navy would be to attack Japanese supply lines and "turn the tables" on Japan by increasing the cost of the war until Japan would be forced to engage the Russian fleet on their terms.

Done of that was going to happen obviously because there simply wasn't the competency present.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:02 on Nov 12, 2022

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Zodium posted:

PERMABAN 09/01/12 10:44pm Leon Trotsky Could not would not shut the gently caress up about his posting enemies. You are no longer welcome on these forums. Azathoth Azathoth

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
new Comintern just dropped.
everyone in it is a loving moron.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Yet you let him have the world's most obvious rereg and he's a mod now

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
yeah right trotsky would have a star

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
also if you’re a Stalinist or Maoist, just do the needful and go the gently caress away

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
NeatTrotskyDude

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

i'm 70% maoist

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012


The is an actual triple swastika used by South African nazis

Salean
Mar 17, 2004

Homewrecker

That's a misunderstanding with the south africans, they just rate threads from 1 to 7

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/dril/status/381535376755531776?t=ZUlXwNtYx68YUFx0LLv5_g&s=19

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I think the 1918 angle misses that the Hundred Days knocked Germany out of the war when they still had hopes for a more favourable peace of some sort. They had previously been able to force Serbia and Romania to quit the war in genuinely brilliant campaigns. In Italy, I have no idea how the Italian government didn’t collapse after Caporetto, that may be an other example of the resilience of modern armies even led by inept states. Operation Michael might have won the war in 1914, but by 1918 there were just far too many Entente soldiers in France for it to have a hope. It was too far to go and the Entente could make good their losses with Americans. The Germans had a lot of fight in them, which led in part to the Dolchstosslegende

All of that to say, I don’t doubt they could have slowly withdrawn to Germany, as they had done in the withdrawal to the Hindenburg line and later withdrawal behind it. It’s just that the Entente was willing to suffer a million casualties in the Hundred Days to win the war.

Ukraine is certainly willing to suffer a million casualties here, no matter how well they fight at the tactical level, Russia is not.

e: I think I’m mostly agreeing with you, it’s just people have this idea the Great War ended with a wimper and not with a bang.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

yeah right trotsky would have a star

he already does

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

mad respect for trotsky tbh

imagine going from one of the forces that helped get the reds their W to the most annoying man on the planet with the worst followers

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
the Hamilton of russia

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

How did Trots become Neocons? That part never made sense to me.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1591408830835228672

Russians with artwork

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Frosted Flake posted:

How did Trots become Neocons? That part never made sense to me.

Their brains were broken by the revolution not happening in their lifetime. Many such cases!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Not So Fast posted:

Their brains were broken by the revolution not happening in their lifetime. Many such cases!

So they supported the forces of counterrevolution?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Cerebral Bore posted:

much like with making bandera the father of the nation when they really didn't have to, specifically choosing to use the symbol that looks like an off-brand swastika doesn't seem like it's just meant as some harmless cultural heritage thingy

the swastika is Ukrainian intellectual property they can do whatever they want

quote:

Mezine is a place within the modern country of Ukraine which has the most artifact finds of Paleolithic culture origin.[1][2][3][4] The Epigravettian[5] site is located on a bank of the Desna River in Novhorod-Siverskyi Raion or Chernihiv Oblast, northern Ukraine, near the village of Mezine.[6] The settlement is best known for an archaeological find of a set of bracelets engraved with marks possibly representing calendar lunar-cycles.[7] Also found near Mezine was the earliest known example of a swastika-like form, as part of a decorative object dated to 18,000 BCE. It was described (see references for illustrations) as an object carved from ivory mammoth tusks to resemble[8] an:

Ice age Bird ... with Inscribed Swastikas...[9]

The bird is understood as an inherently shamanistic animal, often being a symbol of the soul or of the spirit experienced in flight (from death).[10]

Malleum
Aug 16, 2014

Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?
Buglord

Frosted Flake posted:

How did Trots become Neocons? That part never made sense to me.

trotskyists spent all their time post-exile crafting theories as to why the ussr was actually the most evil state in the history of the planet, and after a while its easy to drop the "we would have done communism better" fig leaf

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

How did Trots become Neocons? That part never made sense to me.

The principle of fomenting worldwide revolution transformed from forcible implementation of socialism, into forcible implementation of liberal capitalism

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Frosted Flake posted:

How did Trots become Neocons? That part never made sense to me.

Still believe in permanent revolution but they got so mad at the USSR they became liberals

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

gradenko_2000 posted:

The principle of fomenting worldwide revolution transformed from forcible implementation of socialism, into forcible implementation of liberal capitalism

They will greet us as liberators.

- Dick Cheney, Christopher Hitchens

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