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mind the walrus posted:Hey I like your stuff, genuine fan, but white people rock hasn't been popular nor relevant for nearly a quarter of a century now. Take comfort in the few pockets left, like survivors of the apocalypse waiting out winter. I'm fine with it not being relevant or popular but Offspring isn't a punk band. If your social commentary is "pretty fly for a white guy", you're a pop band. PS: At least one or two of them went to Princeton University E: Like, go back and listen to "Come out and Play" and try not to cringe a little. Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 06:38 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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Frank Frank posted:I'm fine with it not being relevant or popular but Offspring isn't a punk band. lmao yes they are
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Mister Speaker posted:lmao yes they are lmao no they aren't. Go listen to their early stuff off of their self-titled album or Ignition. It's all whiny teen angst "girl doesn't like me" bullshit and the closest they got to being political was on Smash which turned out to be a bunch of rich white kids lecturing their top 40 audience on street gangs and why they're bad. Ixnay on the Hombre was better but still not punk. Hell, Green Day did a better job of carrying that torch. "We sound like Bad Religion" does not make them a punk band. E: Yes, I am old. Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 06:46 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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Frank Frank posted:lmao no they aren't. Go listen to their early stuff off of their self-titled album or Ignition. It's all whiny teen angst "girl doesn't like me" bullshit that's punk though
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Frank Frank posted:I'm fine with it not being relevant or popular but Offspring isn't a punk band. If your social commentary is "pretty fly for a white guy", you're a pop band. Oh no, not Princeton University. I guess at least none of them has a PhD from Cornell, how un-punk would that be? Offspring absolutely started out punk, Smash is like punk paint by numbers.
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Silly Newbie posted:Oh no, not Princeton University. I guess at least none of them has a PhD from Cornell, how un-punk would that be? Cute, but he did that long after Bad Religion was a thing. Also a grown man teaching a course in evolution to kids is kinda noble I guess? I'm assuming you're talking about Graffin here. I kinda like that you love them though because I grew up on Smash, Dookie, Pretty Hate Machine etc and had to contrast that with the Clash, the Ramones and the Dead Kennedys and it taught me a lot about what I like and don't like. At any rate, I absolutely don't care what music you love so long as you love music. If Offspring speaks to you and makes you do good things in the world then goddamn, keep listening to Offspring. It's cool that people are still this passionate about music when there are so few things to be happy about anymore. E: I don't hate the Offspring either. Both Dirty Magic and the Kids are Alright are somewhere in my driving playlist. Also the Dr. Zhivago song (can't remember the name ) which I would argue is in the spirit of punk rock. Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 07:09 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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Ah the "no true punkband" fallacy
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ranbo das posted:Ah the "no true punkband" fallacy poo poo gets so weird when you get old
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Punk died with Reel Big Fish What's the difference between a ska band and a moose? A moose has two horns in the front and an rear end in a top hat in the back. Edit: content https://twitter.com/ZeesterMeester/status/1591244392555483136?t=57dCB31YFsRt_Il12EjpyQ&s=19
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Frank Frank posted:Cute, but he did that long after Bad Religion was a thing. Also a grown man teaching a course in evolution to kids is kinda noble I guess? I'm assuming you're talking about Graffin here. Dex Holland didn't get his PhD until 2017, which I think we can agree is after The Offspring was "a thing". Milo Aukerman has a PhD in molecular biology - the descendants are punk, right? And yeah, I was referring to Graffin. We're probably the same age or so, I'm 40. I was a metalhead as a kid, and still am, and The Offspring was accessible punk the kinda bridged the gap and spoke to me. I didn't start getting into punk qua punk at all until like 2005 or so, when my new friend introduced me to punk and I introduced him to metal. It's been a journey, but part of the point of punk, to me, is that it's progressive and moves with the times. The Offspring, and even early Green Day, was just taking punk in a new direction.
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Punk is a label no actual band has ever reached. It's a hypothetical state that could perhaps be achieved in a perfect setting, but not realistically. No band can actually, truly be punk. Except for blink 182.
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Frank Frank posted:poo poo gets so weird when you get old Just because you're old doesn't mean you have to be embarrassing Son of Rodney posted:Punk is a label no actual band has ever reached. It's a hypothetical state that could perhaps be achieved in a perfect setting, but not realistically. No band can actually, truly be punk. The only true punk band is the shaggs
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Milo and POTUS posted:The only true punk band is the shaggs no truer words have ever been spoken also punk is a state of mind, not a genre of music
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I'm gonna have to go with the Fugs on this one. Only true punk, 1964. https://youtu.be/kWz75MYteX0
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Frank Frank posted:Cool edit. This you? Ffs, the clash are not a punk band >:-(
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You're not punk, and I'm telling everyone
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Smash was a thrash album that was marketed as punk because no one knew what to do with it. If you skip the radio hits it’s still a fun listen. If you disagree it’s simply because you’re not as good at listening to music as I am.
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The one true punk band is Racey
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Daft Punk is the only punk band. It's right there in the name, they're punk, and Daft Punk wouldn't lie to us. What other criteria could there be?
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I like the ethos of punk: "screw the rules and gently caress The Man! Anyone can make music!" I mean, the consequence of that ethos is that it loving sucks poo poo to listen to, because nobody knows how to sing or play their instruments, but the heart is there.
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Cleretic posted:Daft Punk is the only punk band. It's right there in the name, they're punk, and Daft Punk wouldn't lie to us. What other criteria could there be?
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The Saddest Rhino posted:punks not dead and The Chats are proof, HTH
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The Offsprings latest release is christmas songs, a bold direction for punk.
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The Offspring are definitely punk. For sure.
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Frank Frank posted:Cute, but he did that long after Bad Religion was a thing. Also a grown man teaching a course in evolution to kids is kinda noble I guess? I'm assuming you're talking about Graffin here. Nothing is more punk than a 50 year old man who has a driving playlist trying to gatekeep what punk is. I was going to just join in the group dunk, but... When I myself was this much of an arse about it (when I was like 17 and this poo poo seemed important for some reason I'm not entirely clear on anymore) I at least was gatekeeping with some standards. (If you'd asked me then I'd have told you there are no american punk bands full stop) I'm curious as to your rationale that "pretty fly for a white guy" and "come out and play" mean the offspring arent punk, but that doesnt apply to ramones songs like "Blitzkreig bop" (central message: gigs are fun, and we really really want to write a catchy hook so we can have a hit) and "The Crusher" (central message "I dont want to be beaten up by a Russian professional wrestler"). Realistically, any genre will get fuzzy around the edges as very few decent musicians are only influenced by one style of music, and even if they are no genre stays still and unevolving for 40 years, subgenres will always develop. Ska punk is an evolution of two tone, which is what happens when people mix punk and reggae. Pop punk is a straight up evolution of punk with some more traditional rock elements, heavily influenced by the ramones and dead kennedys. gently caress, the prodigy described themselves as Electronic Punk, and though I personally think of them as rock influenced dance, I wouldnt argue the point. Anyway, I got older and hopefully a little less of an arse and realised that a tunes a tune, and trying to gatekeep a genre is entirely pointless. Metal can have rap/hip hop elements, punk can have pop elements, pop will steal liberally from everything. And one artist or band can create in several different genres even within one album. There are precious few clean lines in genre anything (whether thats arguing if a band are pop-punk, punk, pop or rock, or debating whether star wars is science fiction or science fantasy) and there is value in having your preferred style being a big tent, otherwise you become the people angry enough that "old town road" topped the country charts that they change the rules specifically to exclude it. Amoeba102 posted:The Offsprings latest release is christmas songs, a bold direction for punk. John Lydons latest release is being a tory prick, doesnt mean the sex pistols werent punk at some point. And with my unasked for 2c given, and fully anticipating that it took me so long to type this that in the meantime a mod has ended the derail, some tweets. https://twitter.com/EliotETC/status/1591707807451328512?s=20&t=ND_uUSVwt29HKM47YWbmHg https://twitter.com/marthaabigail_/status/1591152475079290880?s=20&t=ND_uUSVwt29HKM47YWbmHg https://twitter.com/SevaUT/status/1591211837147652096?s=20&t=ND_uUSVwt29HKM47YWbmHg https://twitter.com/JosiahHawthorne/status/1591466653388349443?s=20&t=ND_uUSVwt29HKM47YWbmHg
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The Offspring are definitely not punk. Who would even say that?
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I agree, The Offspring are not punk. They're not like, for example, The Sex Pistols.
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:The Offspring are definitely not punk. Who would even say that? Almost everyone, including themself and also the music industry?
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Amoeba102 posted:The Offsprings latest release is christmas songs, a bold direction for punk. Bad Religion did a christmas album a few years back Anyway, this reminds me of being in high school, and wearing a dead kennedys shirt, and someone was like "what kind of band is that?" and I said punk and they replied. "Oh like green day or offspring!" and I groaned and rolled my eyes out of my head. I've gotten better as I've gotten older. Looks like some of us have not.
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PYF Tedious Music Nerds
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I didn’t know to be punk you had to hate Christmas extremely specific requirements there
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