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ImpAtom posted:Dude doesn't have a Persona so he can't possibly join. He doesn't know that though
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Nov 13, 2022 03:26
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Sydin posted:Oh yeah I know like I said I think the group would have said yeah sorry no, I'm just surprised he never even tries to ask. I didn't play Royale because vanilla P5's story and characterization problems pissed me off too much to believe that a band-aid semester could fix it, so my view on things are informed by that.
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Nov 13, 2022 04:08
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Neeksy posted:I didn't play Royale because vanilla P5's story and characterization problems pissed me off too much to believe that a band-aid semester could fix it, so my view on things are informed by that. If it was simply a tacked-on bit at the end of the game I might agree, but Royal's more than that. It obviously can't fix some of the core issues baked into the game, but new themes and plot elements are woven in throughout the whole story, building up to the third semester, it's not just a sudden "And now for something new!" when you reach the point where the original game ended, the way Persona 4 did.
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Nov 13, 2022 04:11
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Sydin posted:(Third semester spoilers!) These unused expanded conversations with the party members from early in the third semester Yo I've never seen these before, why did they cut these? This is some good stuff and definitely helps glue together that part of the game better. Did they think they'd rather not have ~20 extra minutes of cutscene there?
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Nov 13, 2022 04:37
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DanielCross posted:If it was simply a tacked-on bit at the end of the game I might agree, but Royal's more than that. It obviously can't fix some of the core issues baked into the game, but new themes and plot elements are woven in throughout the whole story, building up to the third semester, it's not just a sudden "And now for something new!" when you reach the point where the original game ended, the way Persona 4 did. Glad to hear that, I just think my problems with it stem from the core issues for the most part. One of my bugaboos about modern Persona is that it seems to think that the ability to have more than one persona is a super-unique thing that only ultra-special people have, and thus the Wild Card ends up becoming too much of a load-bearing Chosen One scenario and makes it much less interesting to me than you and your friends having similar but different abilities and affinities based on their personalities and backgrounds. Less "DEAR LEADER" kind of relationship.
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Nov 13, 2022 04:47
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Yo I've never seen these before, why did they cut these? This is some good stuff and definitely helps glue together that part of the game better. Did they think they'd rather not have ~20 extra minutes of cutscene there? No idea, there's actually a ton of fully done or like 90% done content in the game files that just didn't make it into the final product for whatever reason, including English VA work for both the final awakening scenes and all of the Maruki therapy sessions with the rest of the party, and a third semester Mementos request from Akechi with some good parallels to both his and Joker's backstories. A lot of it is stuff I expected to get modded in eventually. Speaking of I'm working on putting together a basic "how to install mods" guide that I'll put up in the next day or two assuming nobody else wants to jump on it first. There's a decent selection out there already and several modders have hinted that the floodgates will be opening sooner rather than later to more extensive stuff.
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Nov 13, 2022 05:32
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I have reached the point in the game where I take back what I said about Igor's new voice actor
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Nov 13, 2022 14:56
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Aw, it's the graphic Mishima commissioned for his epic 20-part 'The Best Phantom Thief' saga on Ao3!
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Nov 13, 2022 15:22
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HootTheOwl posted:I have reached the point in the game where I take back what I said about Igor's new voice actor I loved that part because it retroactively made me feel like a whiney dumbass. 
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Nov 13, 2022 15:37
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Dawgstar posted:Aw, it's the graphic Mishima commissioned for his epic 20-part 'The Best Phantom Thief' saga on Ao3! Even in his fantasy, he's, at best, the budget version of Futaba.
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Nov 13, 2022 15:48
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Nov 13, 2022 16:31
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HootTheOwl posted:I have reached the point in the game where I take back what I said about Igor's new voice actor When I read your post, I knew it would come to this! 
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Nov 13, 2022 18:34
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Geostomp posted:Even in his fantasy, he's, at best, the budget version of Futaba. I'm reminded of the bit from Dwight in The Office where it's pointed out in his dreams he's co-managing a bed and breakfast with Satan in Hell BUT Dwight points out he's making eighty thousand a year. That feels very Mishima.
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Nov 13, 2022 18:52
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I think it's fairly obvious why Mishima never asks yo be a phantom thief: he has no confidence. He would have to actually theoretically do the hard work that is entailed by being a phantom thief if he asked and Joker for some reason said no. His entire arc is that he has no confidence in himself and no sense of self worth. He masks it by 'giving' himself worth by 'helping' the phantom thieves but he even accepts that what he is doing doesn't really make a difference compared to what they can do. If this was a different game I could see the end of his social link unlocking him as a party member, since he gains confidence and makes the decision to move forward believing in himself and not just relying on the Thieves to be Important. But that would require too much change.
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Nov 13, 2022 19:41
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wow this hawaii trip is completely pointless huh. even the characters say so its even weirder when the distance between the last palace and the next one is already way too big. just bizarre pacing
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Nov 13, 2022 20:21
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babypolis posted:wow this hawaii trip is completely pointless huh. even the characters say so I wouldn’t call it pointless. It had a few things going for it. 1. Making the phantom thieves look like a bigger deal (oh hey they are known internationally now) 2. establishing okumara’s desire to expand and grow, a target that would also be noticed on an international scale 3. Excuse for dates with potential romantic confidants. 4. Having Morgana stew in his emotions for a few days. Not exactly the best use of time, but for plot purposes it gets the job done. it feels like a missed opportunity for something bigger however and I feel strikers handled some of these brief detour stop offs better
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Nov 13, 2022 20:47
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It's for variety/novelty, like 90 percent of the non-dungeon content in these games. It beats the mostly-interminable Tatsumi Port Island trip from 4.
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Nov 13, 2022 20:55
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The Hawaii trip is also likely one of two major remnants of Persona 5's original plotline prior to its massive rewrite, sources suggest it was originally intended to be a globetrotting adventure.
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Nov 13, 2022 21:22
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Kaneshiro stands out as way more of a waste of time since he sure feels like canon filler
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Nov 13, 2022 21:41
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the biggest problem with Kaneshiro is that basically every PT gets a change-of-heart "target" that has personal stakes and Makoto gets some random yakuza goon
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Nov 13, 2022 21:46
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the biggest problem with Kaneshiro is that basically every PT gets a change-of-heart "target" that has personal stakes and Makoto gets some random yakuza goon This kind of feels fair because there is a target with personal stakes for her, it’s just not the one they’re taking care of when she joins up
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Nov 13, 2022 21:58
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the biggest problem with Kaneshiro is that basically every PT gets a change-of-heart "target" that has personal stakes and Makoto gets some random yakuza goon Yeah the problem is that Kaneshiro is only around because the devs want to get Makoto into the party earlier rather than later, but her actual "target" in Sae necessarily has to be later because of how it weaves into the framing device. So they ginned up an evil yakuza group preying specifically on one school's students for uh, some reason, so Makoto feels personally pressured to do something about it. It's also clear just how much filler he is in that he gets like zero build up or resolution. You see him outside the metaverse exactly once, for one scene, and then don't even get to see him confess or anything after his heart is changed: we just get told he turned himself into the police offscreen. Compare to literally every other target who gets both good buildup and we get to see them change after the fact. Anyway here's the quick fanfic rewrite I thought of in like 30 seconds that makes the whole thing more personally tied to Makoto: Sae's working on a case against Kaneshiro and actually making good progress, which is starting to freak him out. He finds out via his connections Sae has a sister who is student council president at Shujin, so he tells his goons to specifically target that school to get more info on her and try to box her into a situation where he can kidnap her and use her as leverage against Sae to get her to drop the case. Throw in a scene or two after Makoto engages with the group where Kaneshiro turns up and makes threats. There bam, now Kaneshiro is established as a direct antagonist to Makoto instead of an incidental one, and Makoto finding all this out still ties neatly into the character beat that she worries she's just a useless burden to her sister.
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Speaking of Kaneshiro, his second phase was pretty hard on Merciless. Short of using the bullshit DLC accessories (which I forgot to equip, though if I had remembered I would have used the "lower chance of ailments" one) I don't think there are any reliable ways to avoid getting sleeped, at which point you basically just hope you don't get attacked (Kaneshiro could one-shot anyone who wasn't Joker or Ryuji with his snap, and his two helper mobs one-shot anyone if they score a technical). I ended up coming up with a strategy of sorts (deliberately waking up the two helper mobs before their turn so I can put them back to sleep and prevent them from ever having a turn), but I never needed to use it because I did over 800 damage to Kaneshiro by doing a Baton Pass technical hit with the "Heavy Physical Attack (damage increases on baton pass)" skill, after lucking into shocking Kaneshiro. It was a pain because it took me 4 or 5 tries and the first phase is extremely tedious. I think this should be the last dungeon before I get Recarm, at least. I forgot that it takes so long for you to get that spell. Sydin posted:Yeah the problem is that Kaneshiro is only around because the devs want to get Makoto into the party earlier rather than later, but her actual "target" in Sae necessarily has to be later because of how it weaves into the framing device. So they ginned up an evil yakuza group preying specifically on one school's students for uh, some reason, so Makoto feels personally pressured to do something about it. It's also clear just how much filler he is in that he gets like zero build up or resolution. You see him outside the metaverse exactly once, for one scene, and then don't even get to see him confess or anything after his heart is changed: we just get told he turned himself into the police offscreen. Compare to literally every other target who gets both good buildup and we get to see them change after the fact. Kaneshiro also weirdly shows no remorse once you defeat his shadow. He mentions "the other metaverse user" and then is like "have fun dealing with that losers lol cya" and returns to his home planet
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I thought manslaughter was going to be kaneshiro I also think it's weird that I'm supposed to be the trickster when it's Akechi who's the duplicitous one running with Loki Anyways it's Christmas so we'll see if any of this is resolved. It was funny watching all the confidants rooting me on except Ohya because she's both weird and her ability is worthless.
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Ytlaya posted:Speaking of Kaneshiro, his second phase was pretty hard on Merciless. Short of using the bullshit DLC accessories (which I forgot to equip, though if I had remembered I would have used the "lower chance of ailments" one) I don't think there are any reliable ways to avoid getting sleeped, at which point you basically just hope you don't get attacked (Kaneshiro could one-shot anyone who wasn't Joker or Ryuji with his snap, and his two helper mobs one-shot anyone if they score a technical). The helpers just need to stay down in the final phase. And shock is awesome even if it sometimes shocks you. Re Kanishiro I'd cut him entirely, have the blackmailers be Medjed, and then drop the boss fight into Mementos. Also a couple of other boss fights, with Futaba smashing their records and then doxing the leaders to the Phantom Thieves so they don't do it again. (And a realisation from Yuske that blackmailing people into doing things was what he was doing to Ann). And I think the worst thing about the Hawaii trip is when it is. I wouldn't mind it half as much if it, the helping your party member get out of the house so you don't have control over what you do, and the party member who wanders off so you go to bed depressed weren't all between the same two palaces. Literally for the almost month between August 21 and September 18 you have 18 half-days of activities you can control.
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Spiffster posted:4. Having Morgana stew in his emotions for a few days. I'm not normally one to get hung up on plot stuff but this was always the weirdest subplot. Went nowhere, no real stakes, and Morgana has so many lines for everything that he swings between his normal banter and sadsack in between every activity. The whole gap between palaces where Hawaii takes place (I'm nearly past it) feels like a spot where something was supposed to go and got cut.
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I decided to say “gently caress it, I’m not creating a time paradox” and made an Arsene Build that matches the intro of the game because I just got to the point in the game where I get to the present. It’s not perfect but it matches what he could feasibly have. Eigon (Rangda itemized) Brave blade (gave up on gallows passing it so itemized from Atvatka) Adverse resolve (will be replaced later with something else) Repel ice (itemized Sarvati) Null physical (passed from a long chain don’t remember who had it originally ) Repel bless (Raphael alarm itemization) Curse boost (passed from Nue) Curse amp (skill card I got in a itemization accident) About to go into mementos and it’s gonna get buffed up a bit to reach where it should be at this point. Will then register it so I can start a new game plus because I’m sad
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Nov 14, 2022 02:07
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Spiffster posted:Brave blade (gave up on gallows passing it so itemized from Atvatka) Only way Arsene would have been able to learn it, period. Arsene has the Curse inheritance type, making inheriting physical skills impossible, which also applies to Gallows.
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Nov 14, 2022 02:18
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people out here talking about "what if I could date Yusuke" but imo the Confidant interactions with Akechi seem like they are absolutely dripping with homoerotic subtext. Speaking of which, I maxed out Maruki/Kasumi already but only have like 25 days til the deadline to max Akechi, sadly doesn't seem like I'll get there lol. This is the farthest I've ever gotten in the game--I inexplicably dropped off the second I got to the Casino in vanilla--but I'm def ready for things to wrap up. I think the game gets a bit pointless/tedious once you max out certain traits/confidants and at that rate, there's no point really trying to do certain activities. Hopefully in Persona 6 (coming 2030) they shore that up and also bump up the characters at least to college age so some of this feels less weird.
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Nov 14, 2022 02:22
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DLC Inc posted:people out here talking about "what if I could date Yusuke" but imo the Confidant interactions with Akechi seem like they are absolutely dripping with homoerotic subtext. no one brings up Akechi because he’s the free space on the bingo card
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Nov 14, 2022 02:27
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Dating is for children, sexually charged detective/thief rivalries are for men
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Nov 14, 2022 02:30
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DLC Inc posted:people out here talking about "what if I could date Yusuke" but imo the Confidant interactions with Akechi seem like they are absolutely dripping with homoerotic subtext. This seems to apply to most "rival" relationships in games/manga like this. Another similar situation is Rean/Crow in the Trails of Cold Steel games, where Rean shows like 10x as much emotion towards Crow as he does literally any female cast member.
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Nov 14, 2022 03:29
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And someone in the network was kind enough to drop me a persona to fuse with that had almighty amp, soul link, and magic ability, netting me the last of the network exclusive skills. Time to make some really broken poo poo.
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Here's a brief guide on how to mod the PC version of Royal. Some caveats are a) this is only for Windows (idk if you can even run Royal on Mac/Linux, if you are sorry I guess) and b) everything here in theory should work for the Game Pass version, but I do not have Game Pass so I don't know if it has any issues. 1. Download the latest version of Reloaded II. 1a. Reloaded II needs a couple Microsoft .NET framework packages to work properly. Download and install both of them before trying to launch it: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/thank-you/runtime-desktop-7.0.0-windows-x86-installer?cid=getdotnetcore https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/thank-you/runtime-desktop-7.0.0-windows-x64-installer?cid=getdotnetcore 2. Launch Reloaded II, if you get to these screens without it yelling at you about dependencies you're good to go:  3. In the tutorial window, click "Add Application" and navigate to the P5R executable "P5R.exe". If you don't know where to find it: Steam: Right click P5R in your libray and go to Manage > Browse game files to find your install folder. By default this should be C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steamapps\common\P5R Game Pass: By default the install folder is in C:\Program Files\WindowsApps 4. Once you've added P5R, close the tutorial window. In the top left corner, click the bubble with a gear and "+" icon to browse mods for the game.  5. First, you will need to download Persona 5 Royal Essentials by Sewer56, which facilitates other mods working. Once it's downloaded configure the mod and make sure "Mod Support" is enabled.    6. You're done! You can now install whatever mods are available via Reloaded II, and as more are released they should be populated within the add mods menu. Here are some currently available that I recommend: No More All-Out Attack Fade-In by Chery Cream Soda - Removes the epilepsy filter over the start of all-out attacks that was inexplicably added in the PC version of Royal. Colors Flying High Restored by Light8227 - Similarly removes the epilepsy filter over the OP. P5 Opening over P5R Opening by NineNates - Or if you don't like the new P5R opening, this mod replaces it with the vanilla OP Full DLC Rework by MeovvCAT - Lets you pick what DLC items you want/don't want when using the cardboard box, and also rebalances the DLC personas skills/traits and removes them as free pickups from the compendium: you must fuse them legitimatey now. Classroom/Confidant/Negotiation Cheat Sheet by Haalyle - Three mods that respectively highlight the "best" dialogue options for classroom/exam answers, S.Links, and shadow negotiation. A bit cheaty obviously but if you're following a guide anyway this saves you the time of having to check.
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Yo Makoto what the gently caress, NO, GOD Just running up to some gangsters and demanding to speak to Crime's manager
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FWIW, I believe the Game Pass version can be modded, but compatibility might be a bit wonky and you'll probably have to turn off network features to prevent crashes because the Game Pass version has stricter DRM.
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HootTheOwl posted:I also think it's weird that I'm supposed to be the trickster when it's Akechi who's the duplicitous one running with Loki. I mean he is the trickster too. He has all of Joker's powers, it's made pretty explicit. It's just that he is a gently caress up who cannot manage to unearth his full power because of his mental instabilities. Instead he awakens the separate power of controlling Shadows.... which he never uses again after revealing it. Akechi vs Joker was supposed to be a mirror match bet between Igor and Chalice God Guy, Akechi just kinda sucked.
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Arist posted:FWIW, I believe the Game Pass version can be modded, but compatibility might be a bit wonky and you'll probably have to turn off network features to prevent crashes because the Game Pass version has stricter DRM. I just modded the gamepass version tonight and manually enabled the network stuff once I was in game and it seemed to work fine actually.
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