Southpaugh posted:

So Ireland didn't really industrialise in the typical european fashion, it industrialised as a colony, unlike our neighbours which were all nation states. So Industrialisation took place in Dublin, Belfast and Cork. All coastal port towns, Belfast had harland and Wolfe and the linen industry, Dublin mostly did food processing on an industrial scale, biscuits, glass bottles that sort of thing. There were steel works but it was on a more artisan scale. You'll still see the odd steel plate on the streets that was cast in a Dublin foundry before my parents were born. Theres no coal or steel in Ireland, so heavy industry was never really an option outside of Dublin and Belfast. You can bring materials into the port for production and manufacturing but otherwise they have to take a train somewhere so all those industries were centred in the port cities because the manufactured goods were for export.

When the Free State was formed the trade terms that allowed heavy industry in the free state locations went away. TW for Train enthusiasts: we took up a phenomenal amount of track as what industry we did have contracted into a more sustainable form or went away entirely. Ireland essentially de-industialized from what it had upon creation of the free state which led to all kinds of boring history on De Valeras "dreary Eden" as Ireland became inward looking and "self sufficient". Outside of heavy industry Dublin city centre was basically a large red light district and sex work was the largest employer of working class irish women. This is changed by the Legion of Mary, a group of people as scary as that name might suggest.

Meanwhile agriculture and agrarian concerns are where all of the money and power were then, and are in the modern era. Ireland continued to ship large amounts of food out of the country

Imo, the famines of the 1840s destroyed the character of the irish countryside. The land movements of the late 19th century have an entirely different character to the one they might have had, but the poor and the dispossessed were already dead or displaced by the time they came along. Its worth noting that civil unrest had always been on a simmer coming out of the 18th century, this led to, in order; Wolfe Tones 1798 Rebellion, the Act of union 1800, the dissolution of Irish parliament 1801, the gradual repeal of the penal laws, growing agrarian violence, the emancipation of catholics and then the Famines of the 1840s. It is after this time period that the nation state and an irish republic starts to get talked about and its these people that we recognise from late 19th century politics, into the 20th century and the present day. De Valeras grandson is still in the Dáil for example.

Suffice it to say the Irish eventually got the land, and then immediately set about replicating the british social order absent new lords and ladies.

Returning to the point though, industrial relations at the time would have gone something like this. the Foundry is owned by an aristocrat, a lord dunsany lets say. Lord Dunsany employs a middle class agent to setup the foundry. Skill labour in the foundry and management are all middle class. Working class people do the backbreaking everyday labour in the foundry, travellers would work with the working class guys to bring materials and so on to the foundry. So its the bourgeois, the petty bourgeois, the proletariat and the lumpenproletariat in order. Thats essentially as that would be in the present day, except the travellers, the lumpenproles are no where to be seen in the modern equivalent of this equation. They have been pushed out by both changing society and changing technology. With no one to champion their class interests they are left out in the cold.

My point being the revolution provided no change in the system, just who benefited from the system. Ireland in the present day is a post industrial, agrarian export economy with small amounts of high end manufacturing and lots of computer touching. Rip twitter. That manufacturing is pharma and food. A lot of the whey products you see on the shelf are Glanbia, as is Kerry Gold butter, we make a lot of generic pharma, the infamous horse paste ivermectin was developed in Ireland.

The people who benefit from the current and future irish economy are the same people that always had and always will. There remains no place in Irish society for Travelling people and without some kind of meaningful effort on behalf of the government there never will be.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

HEROES(SS) act

Doktor Avalanche posted:

this seems like it would be a widespread problem, is there any example of a modern society which has a place for nomads?

Not So Fast posted:

"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs. " - James Connolly

Southpaugh posted:

GlassElephant posted:

A Wagner group telegram channel posted a video of a former member who had previously surrendered to Ukraine (and made a video denouncing them) being murdered by being hit in the head with a sledgehammer. There have been leaked videos of them committing similar warcrimes in Syria before but this is clearly a planned media release.

<sub>(from t.me/m0sc0wcalling/14396, via tgsa)

(from t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/5923, via tgsa)</sub>

speng31b posted:

might put a spoiler about a link that contains a picture of a guy about to be brutally executed. no thanks

GlassElephant posted:

A Wagner group telegram channel posted a video of a former member who had previously surrendered to Ukraine (and made a video denouncing them) being murdered by being hit in the head with a sledgehammer. There have been leaked videos of them committing similar warcrimes in Syria before but this is clearly a planned media release.

<sub>(from t.me/m0sc0wcalling/14396, via tgsa)

(from t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/5923, via tgsa)</sub>

Corky Romanovsky posted:

Wow. Damning. It will not surprise anyone that this evidence does not change the threads aggregate opinion on Wagner.

PMCs suck, op.

Majorian posted:

It is helpful to be reminded of the fact that Russia's Nazis are no better or worse than Ukraine's Nazis, however.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Who actually thinks this???

Zodium posted:

ranking nazi groups by how good I think they are

Majorian posted:

It is helpful to be reminded of the fact that Russia's Nazis are no better or worse than Ukraine's Nazis, however.

Majorian posted:

It is helpful to be reminded of the fact that Russia's Nazis are no better or worse than Ukraine's Nazis, however.

Zodium posted:

ranking nazi groups by how good I think they are

speng31b posted:

saying they're no better or worse is just as bad, just don't compare hosed up things on a metaphorical scale at all. there's probably a time for that if it's very narrowly applicable to a specific argument, but typically you don't need to generate a utilitarian take on the most horrific forms human suffering filmed and propagandized at all

Homeless Friend posted:

ruining the end of world war 2 during 1944 by yelling hitler dies

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

but also he wins

Majorian posted:

Yeah, I think that's a fair bit of courtesy to ask of folks. GlassElephant, would you mind spoilering that? Not a big deal, no one's in trouble, etc etc, just a request. If everyone would keep descriptions of gore behind spoiler tags that would be appreciated.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

ranking nazi groups by which US president they're most like

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

but also he wins

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Who actually thinks this???

Zodium posted:

ranking nazi groups by how good I think they are

redneck nazgul posted:

nato frantically googling a nazi tier list before starting the operation paperclip gacha

Buffer posted:

disappointed that not everyone's SS

lobster shirt posted:

andrew tate has completed the ideological journey from far-right politics to joining the taliban, and hell, i support him

Weka posted:

Are Wagner ideologically Nazi? All I've seen on it is Utkin's neck tattoo and I think the suggestion they had some nazi members. Obviously they presumably still suck generally regardless and certainly in this case.