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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Huh, that's cool then. I did already mod the Steam version because the Reloaded setup lets you keep the application from pausing when the window loses focus

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Funky Valentine posted:

Why does it use the Shadow the Hedgehog logo.

Because it's made by somebody who chose the online handle "Sewer56" and seems to have styled the whole thing like it's some kind of dodgy keygen you'd grab off limewire 20 years ago.

explosivo posted:

I just modded the gamepass version tonight and manually enabled the network stuff once I was in game and it seemed to work fine actually.

Good to know, I tried to look into it but got a bunch of conflicting reports of whether Game pass folks have issues or not.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

explosivo posted:

Yo Makoto what the gently caress, NO, GOD

Just running up to some gangsters and demanding to speak to Crime's manager

Right? She's the best. :allears:

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

She is a narc in her soul even after she becomes a phantom thief and I wouldn’t have her any other way

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I just love all of the characters in P5 so much. They do a good job of making it satisfying to get to know them.

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015


Just finished the new Royal content and I have to say, the final act is much more satisfying than vanilla's endgame.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Royal Antagonist: If you try to defeat me then your friend will die
Friend(?): If you even think about giving up I'll kill myself, then you.
Morgana: So this is the power of friendship...

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Pwnstar posted:

Royal Antagonist: If you try to defeat me then your friend will die
Friend(?): If you even think about giving up I'll kill myself, then you.
Morgana: So this is the power of friendship...

Legitimately annoyed that the PC version removed the line "this isn't small potatoes"

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?

DLC Inc posted:

I think the game gets a bit pointless/tedious once you max out certain traits/confidants and at that rate, there's no point really trying to do certain activities. Hopefully in Persona 6 (coming 2030) they shore that up and also bump up the characters at least to college age so some of this feels less weird.

A few activities will give you points with multiple confidants, or net you decorations, or boost Baton/Technical, or get unique skills from books... but in general yeah it's mostly for cheevos. I'd be down for removing social stats entirely, since that'd also remove the confidant locks that force you rushing them, but it'd be an extremely short game without batting/fishing/darts/eating ridiculous burgers/etc.

The age always gets brought up and it's always a :japan: thing with the teenagers. There's no reason Persona wouldn't work perfectly well in an office.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

I just got to the bank palace and I don't know how they keep surprising me with catchier tunes but man this is some good runnin around music.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I think I found the goofiest Sae scene

"Unless you were lucky, there's no way you could've repeatedly done so many crimes."

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

DLC Inc posted:

people out here talking about "what if I could date Yusuke" but imo the Confidant interactions with Akechi seem like they are absolutely dripping with homoerotic subtext.

Speaking of which, I maxed out Maruki/Kasumi already but only have like 25 days til the deadline to max Akechi, sadly doesn't seem like I'll get there lol. This is the farthest I've ever gotten in the game--I inexplicably dropped off the second I got to the Casino in vanilla--but I'm def ready for things to wrap up. I think the game gets a bit pointless/tedious once you max out certain traits/confidants and at that rate, there's no point really trying to do certain activities. Hopefully in Persona 6 (coming 2030) they shore that up and also bump up the characters at least to college age so some of this feels less weird.
How far along are you on Akechi's link? Might still be possible, some of his link is only available after clearing the dungeon anyway.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Ytlaya posted:

I think I found the goofiest Sae scene

"Unless you were lucky, there's no way you could've repeatedly done so many crimes."
She's not wrong, though. The PTs are kinda dumb and absolutely lucked their way into most of what they managed to accomplish. The rest is them being manipulated by Shido's conspiracy.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Commander Keene posted:

She's not wrong, though. The PTs are kinda dumb and absolutely lucked their way into most of what they managed to accomplish. The rest is them being manipulated by Shido's conspiracy.

Yeah but she says that in reference to Chihaya lol

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010

You couldn't have done it without an MLM member. Admit it, someone was giving you good fortunes by reading tarot cards!

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?



Btw is there a Japanese word that is getting translated into "deal" that is more significant/thiefy? There are multiple scenes where making a deal is given a lot of emphasis or two people helping each other is considered a bit like a deal.

Pwnstar fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Nov 14, 2022

neonchameleon
Nov 14, 2012



KittyEmpress posted:

I mean he is the trickster too. He has all of Joker's powers, it's made pretty explicit. It's just that he is a gently caress up who cannot manage to unearth his full power because of his mental instabilities.

Instead he awakens the separate power of controlling Shadows.... which he never uses again after revealing it.

Akechi vs Joker was supposed to be a mirror match bet between Igor and Chalice God Guy, Akechi just kinda sucked.


Akechi didn't even try to recruit Shadows after seeing Joker do it. He's also enough of a dumbass that he spams physical, bless, and curse into null and reflect Personas. But he didn't have access to the Velvet Room and fusions.

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?
Man I'd forgotten how on-the-nose it got with the rank 10 romance options. Like P4 was "spend a long time" but the adult confidants have some very direct implications.

Lunar Suite
Jun 5, 2011

If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.
Oops I forgot to do literally any baton passes post Bank.

Also, got to the final third semester area and... I'm instant-killing all shadows, which also levelled everyone to 99. I do enjoy the image of a Velvet Room-dressed Joker murdering all opposition with what looks like a Dab, Elizabeth would approve.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Pwnstar posted:



Btw is there a Japanese word that is getting translated into "deal" that is more significant/thiefy? There are multiple scenes where making a deal is given a lot of emphasis or two people helping each other is considered a bit like a deal.

Not really, just the standard word torihiki/取引 which doesn't have any special connotations AFAIK.

It's mostly Morgana the raging insecurity demon trying to convince himself he's being useful and everything would fall apart without him and so on which nobody is seriously questioning to begin with.

ajkalan
Aug 17, 2011

Are there any more requests where you can talk down the shadow instead of beating it up, apart from the first one? I'm in September and I haven't seen any Mementos fights use that mechanic other than the one with the cat hoarder that you get early in the game. It seems like an odd thing to have once and never again. Did I miss something obvious with this?

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

The last Mementos guy in Royal you talk down.

AngryRobotsInc
Aug 2, 2011

neonchameleon posted:

Akechi didn't even try to recruit Shadows after seeing Joker do it. He's also enough of a dumbass that he spams physical, bless, and curse into null and reflect Personas. But he didn't have access to the Velvet Room and fusions.

More Akechi stuff.

I have a theory that he's not a...fully functional Wild Card user. It's mostly me just trying to weld everything together, but any time we've seen fully functional Wild Card users whose base Arcana isn't Fool has been when Philemon has been directly involved in events or through highly unusual circumstances (Aigis' Arcana shifting from Chariot to Fool in The Answer). The base Fool users all have had access to the Velvet Room so far. We've seen two different manifestations of it not being fully functional but partially accessible to non-Fool characters in PQ/PQ2, and with Akechi. In the case of PQ/PQ2, they have access to the Velvet Room and the full spread of Arcana, but can't fully use the power of the Wild Card (the full user's ability is also dampened). Akechi only has Justice Arcana Persona, and there's the implication that they are all just alternate facets of himself. All in all, I think fully functional Wild Cards either must be of the Fool Arcana, or must have access to the Velvet Room without some weirdness going on like the Abyss of Time/the fake School/the Cinema. We have one instance of a potential Wild Card without the base Fool Arcana (Sho), and he had access to the Velvet Room, although he turned down the contract.

So anyway, that's all a long way to say my theory is that while Akechi can manifest multiple Persona, rather than the permanent changes seen when the other party members' Persona upgrade, they can only come from within himself and as the Justice Arcana.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Pwnstar posted:



Btw is there a Japanese word that is getting translated into "deal" that is more significant/thiefy? There are multiple scenes where making a deal is given a lot of emphasis or two people helping each other is considered a bit like a deal.
I think it's the writing playing into the idea that aside from the party the Confidants are more transactional even in-universe than the Social Links were in P3 and P4; Joker seeks these people out because they're useful to him, he doesn't meet them and become friends and then incidentally leverage their Power of Friendship into phenomenal cosmic power by accident.

roomtwofifteen
Jul 18, 2007

Is there a mod yet to remove all the launch cinematics and go straight to menu?

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Mailer posted:

Man I'd forgotten how on-the-nose it got with the rank 10 romance options. Like P4 was "spend a long time" but the adult confidants have some very direct implications.

Congrats on maxing out Dr Legs

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

anakha posted:

Congrats on maxing out Dr Legs

Or the drunk.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Commander Keene posted:

I think it's the writing playing into the idea that aside from the party the Confidants are more transactional even in-universe than the Social Links were in P3 and P4; Joker seeks these people out because they're useful to him, he doesn't meet them and become friends and then incidentally leverage their Power of Friendship into phenomenal cosmic power by accident.

Yeah it kind of felt like it was the game covering for the possibility that you might not like some of the confidants and just level them up to get their powers by saying yeah maybe Joker feels the same way. He's so reserved with most of them that it's not much of a stretch.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


It's also kinda tricky to establish an adult-teen interaction/relationship without delving into it being transactional, especially with how Joker/the PTs see most adults.

Dr Kool-AIDS posted:

He's so reserved with most of them that it's not much of a stretch.

He's had good reason to be so, yeah.

anakha fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Nov 14, 2022

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Wait, you can get skills from the Jazz Bar????

It's already December!

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Wait, you can get skills from the Jazz Bar????

It's already December!

Yep. Don't worry about it too much, it's more of a win-more tool really.

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

Cloacamazing! posted:

How far along are you on Akechi's link? Might still be possible, some of his link is only available after clearing the dungeon anyway.

I'm on rank 6 so I doubt I'll be able to bump it to 9 within like 20 days lol. I usually do dungeons in one "day" so I'd have at least 2 weeks minimum but Akechi's availability is already pretty transient.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?



It's hootin' and hollerin' time in Persona 5 Strikers.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Sydin posted:

No More All-Out Attack Fade-In by Chery Cream Soda - Removes the epilepsy filter over the start of all-out attacks that was inexplicably added in the PC version of Royal.
Colors Flying High Restored by Light8227 - Similarly removes the epilepsy filter over the OP.
P5 Opening over P5R Opening by NineNates - Or if you don't like the new P5R opening, this mod replaces it with the vanilla OP
Full DLC Rework by MeovvCAT - Lets you pick what DLC items you want/don't want when using the cardboard box, and also rebalances the DLC personas skills/traits and removes them as free pickups from the compendium: you must fuse them legitimatey now.
Classroom/Confidant/Negotiation Cheat Sheet by Haalyle - Three mods that respectively highlight the "best" dialogue options for classroom/exam answers, S.Links, and shadow negotiation. A bit cheaty obviously but if you're following a guide anyway this saves you the time of having to check.

I'd add the No Kaleidoscope mod to this recommendation list as well. It's a subtle effect so it's not super obtrusive but removing it has made the game look much cleaner.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

DLC Inc posted:

I'm on rank 6 so I doubt I'll be able to bump it to 9 within like 20 days lol. I usually do dungeons in one "day" so I'd have at least 2 weeks minimum but Akechi's availability is already pretty transient.

You only need to get to 8.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
The final (I think, it's early January) villain just saved Kotaru, so I think I'm on his side.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Ok disabling fast travel and shopping during this part is very annoying and stupid.

neonchameleon
Nov 14, 2012



AngryRobotsInc posted:

More Akechi stuff.

I have a theory that he's not a...fully functional Wild Card user. It's mostly me just trying to weld everything together, but any time we've seen fully functional Wild Card users whose base Arcana isn't Fool

This leads to an interesting question about whether the Chariot is a fundamental property of the person or a property of the Wild Card's relationship to the person. So if (for whatever reason) Mishima were to become a Wild Card would his S-link with Joker be a Fool, or would Joker possibly be his Hierophant or even Chariot. And would Futaba be his Hermit given that when he meets them they are getting out and about?

quote:

So anyway, that's all a long way to say my theory is that while Akechi can manifest multiple Persona, rather than the permanent changes seen when the other party members' Persona upgrade, they can only come from within himself and as the Justice Arcana.

Part of that depends on how 'canon' you take the extra month or even whether that's the real Akechi and not a cognition. In it of course Akechi, like the rest of the PTs, manages a third tier evolution - and all of them do it by fusing their initial and evolved personas other than Akechi who fuses Robin Hood and Joker.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Didn't the twins explain that the tarot and the arcana represent the fool's journey that would overcome death itself and why the slinks are fundamentally similar between 4 and 5?

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AngryRobotsInc
Aug 2, 2011

neonchameleon posted:

This leads to an interesting question about whether the Chariot is a fundamental property of the person or a property of the Wild Card's relationship to the person. So if (for whatever reason) Mishima were to become a Wild Card would his S-link with Joker be a Fool, or would Joker possibly be his Hierophant or even Chariot. And would Futaba be his Hermit given that when he meets them they are getting out and about?

Part of that depends on how 'canon' you take the extra month or even whether that's the real Akechi and not a cognition. In it of course Akechi, like the rest of the PTs, manages a third tier evolution - and all of them do it by fusing their initial and evolved personas other than Akechi who fuses Robin Hood and Joker.

That falls under the "Highly unusual circumstances" stuff, I would say. Granted, there are a lot of parts of the added bit that....didn't have that much thought put into how they function within the framework of the series. If I had to bullshit an explanation real quick, sidestepping the "So....Akechi, cognition or real?" aspect because lawd that is a big one, I'd just say the weirdness there is a visual means of conveying the resolution between their past and their present, and moving along the path to fully realizing their true selves. But again that's me just real quick pulling something out of my rear end right this second.

I have a lot of "I put way too much time into thinking about this poo poo" theories, including stuff like the Expanse, the Amala Network, Mementos, the Dark Hour, the Midnight Channel, the Schwarzwelt, etc. are all manifestations and offshoots of the same underlying principle and are what tie the multiverse together into one whole.

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