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The highlight of the DX reunion for X-Pac was when Stone Cold somehow made the ceiling fall on him. Edit: Then when he comes out later, he's all dusty. https://youtu.be/SP3W_PIBRCA Hedgehog Pie fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Nov 12, 2022 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Incidentally, how did he ever even get a chance there? I remember enjoying Lightning Kid in GWF, but I don't know how some undersized guy on the indies had WWF like "yes. This is the guy we're going to have beat fuckin Razor." He went to a tryout and had a match with Louie Spiccoli which was apparently pretty good (Louie was also trying out) and all I've seen is Waltman saying that if he had been put in with one of the random old jobbers at the time he might not have gotten signed. As for the Razor thing, I dunno. Waltman says that it was Vince's plan from the start to present him initially as a jobber and then do the Razor Ramon match. So chalk it up to the one time Vince McMahon actually figured out how to do an underdog story correctly, I guess.
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This was also still pretty early in Raw’s run and they wanted to show people that big and surprising things could happen because it was Uncut, Uncensored, and Uncooked. (Around this time they also had a match on Raw where Shawn lost the IC title to Marty Janetty, which was immediately reversed at a house show.)
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Nov 12, 2022 19:59
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That was on the same show.
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Nov 12, 2022 21:06
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Rusty Shackelford posted:That was on the same show. Oh, right! Yeah the one episode where they wanted to make sure people were watching.
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Nov 12, 2022 21:20
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When's the last time a major title changed hands at a house show? Did they air part of it at least? Feels like a relic of the pre-Internet days.
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Nov 12, 2022 21:30
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Admiral Joeslop posted:When's the last time a major title changed hands at a house show? Did they air part of it at least? Feels like a relic of the pre-Internet days. Andrade won the US title on a MSG house show in 2017. No idea if it aired because I'd stopped watching main roster WWE by then.
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edogawa rando posted:I think it's a mixture of several factors. He's being (rightly) reappraised now and recognised as the incredible wrestler he was - I actually wonder how good he (along with Regal and Saturn, actually) would have been if they weren't out of their gourds on drugs half the time - but there was a serious and permanent shift in how the crowd perceived him during his feud with Kane. He certainly wasn't an "incredible wrestler" by the time his heel stint in WWE came along, either. It's entirely possible he still had the talent by that point, but in addition to his obnoxious DX character getting extremely old by then, he really wasn't bringing much in the ring at that point. Bunch of goofy martial arts kicks, the Bronco Buster (a fad move which the crowd was now *extremely* sick of), weak-looking faceplant finisher, pin. Sure, this was the problem with every other wrestler in WWE by that point. But for a guy like Waltman, using a limited moveset really hid his strengths and pronounced his weaknesses, in a way that it didn't for the bigger guys. And while he may have been a revolutionary cruiserweight when he was the 1-2-3 Kid, fans had seen much better cruiserweight wrestling by 2000, be it in WCW, ECW, or even in the WWE if they hadn't watched those other shows. The Hardy Boyz were like 60% of WWE's highlight reel by this point. Jericho, Guerrero, and Malenko had all come over. X-Pac, in addition to being uninteresting and unlikable as a character, just looked like a sub-par worker at this point, compared with the other talent they had on the roster.
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Nov 12, 2022 21:50
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rujasu posted:He certainly wasn't an "incredible wrestler" by the time his heel stint in WWE came along, either. It's entirely possible he still had the talent by that point, but in addition to his obnoxious DX character getting extremely old by then, he really wasn't bringing much in the ring at that point. Bunch of goofy martial arts kicks, the Bronco Buster (a fad move which the crowd was now *extremely* sick of), weak-looking faceplant finisher, pin. Sure, this was the problem with every other wrestler in WWE by that point. But for a guy like Waltman, using a limited moveset really hid his strengths and pronounced his weaknesses, in a way that it didn't for the bigger guys. I gotta tell you baby, life's been good to me and I know that makes you mad 'cause that's something you can't see. I got everything I ever wanted and I'll never give that back. Oh, I know you hate X-factor but you ain't gotta look at me like that. I said you ain't gotta look at me like that.
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People love x-pac now because he got clean and had that badass match with El Generico in Chikara that one year and also because he carries a dog everywhere with him.
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xpac blew out his rear end in a top hat trying to do a bronco buster
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Another reason people love him, yes
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He did a quick leg drop. Slid on his rear end along the ground
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when I first heard about PAC I thought he was related to X-Pac or something, wrestling names are weird So what does PAC actually mean?
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Lily Catts posted:when I first heard about PAC I thought he was related to X-Pac or something, wrestling names are weird iirc its what they called him in the dragongate dojo because of his abs
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Lily Catts posted:when I first heard about PAC I thought he was related to X-Pac or something, wrestling names are weird he had a six-pack when he was a kid so he got nicknamed that at school
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:he had a six-pack when he was a kid so he got nicknamed that at school as a kid??? nuts
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Lily Catts posted:as a kid??? nuts He used to be a peculiarly swole little fellow. Well he still is, I guess. Swole Smol 4 Life
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Nov 14, 2022 01:31
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Fucksake I did it again Yes PAC got on the juice aged 4
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It is such an applicable name for precisely nothing about him as a character yet obviously it is also true. Well, being a muscle goblin to the extent that you had abs as a child does play into his character I suppose
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Did Sting and Bret interact much in WCW? Mainly I'm asking if we ever got a big battle of the Scorpion Deathlock/Sharpshooter.
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Dawgstar posted:Did Sting and Bret interact much in WCW? Mainly I'm asking if we ever got a big battle of the Scorpion Deathlock/Sharpshooter. They had some pretty boring matches.
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MassRafTer posted:They had some pretty boring matches. Shame. I guess we need to fire up the time machine and convince one to jump in the early 90's for a baller Scorpion Deathlock vs. Sharpshooter angle.
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MassRafTer posted:They had some pretty boring matches. How many dream matches actually do live up to expectations?
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edogawa rando posted:How many dream matches actually do live up to expectations? I think Jericho/Kenny off the top of my head if that counts. Kenny/Danielson?
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edogawa rando posted:How many dream matches actually do live up to expectations? When they involve the best or close to the best wrestlers in the company they live up to expectations (Joe vs Kobashi, Benoit vs Hart, Mox vs Tanahashi) but if it's based on similar moves or gimmicks (Sting vs Hart, Bray vs Undertaker) they tend to be not so good, for obvious reasons. Sting being on a lot of drugs and Bret being less motivated and in the other case both guys being bad.
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Chris Jericho vs Nick Gage was pretty awesome. What about the Hardy Boyz vs Young Bucks? I didn’t see it, was that good?
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Dave gave it **** but I don't remember enjoying it nearly that much. Bucks pulled a fine match out of a completely past their prime Hardys but nothing exceptional.
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Sandman McMahon posted:Chris Jericho vs Nick Gage was pretty awesome. I really liked it but I was in the building and having a great time. From what I've seen most were lukewarm on it.
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The first(?) Hardy/Bucks match in RoH was an absolute banger though
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okay apparently not even close to their first match, but it was the supercard of honor ladder match from 2017
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jesus WEP posted:okay apparently not even close to their first match, but it was the supercard of honor ladder match from 2017 yah thats the good one i remember
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History Comes Inside! posted:People love x-pac now because he got clean and had that badass match with El Generico in Chikara that one year and also because he carries a dog everywhere with him. Waltman's time in Chikara is weird to look back at in retrospect. Starts with King of Trios 2011 where he's brought in as part of Team Minnesota with Chikara regulars Arik Cannon and Darin Corbin. Night 1's main event has them lose a great match to Team Michinoku Pro (Dick Togo, Jinsei Shinzaki, and The Great Sasuke). Waltman's wrestling as the 1-2-3 Kid for the first time in well over a decade and he's in fantastic shape. Post-match, he cuts a promo about how great everyone is and how much he appreciates the fans. Night 2 has him in the Rey de Voladores tournament and he beats Frightmare, Obariyon, and Amazing Red. He once again cuts a promo about how much he appreciates everything. The next night he loses the finals to El Generico in an absolute banger. Once again, post-match promo about how much he appreciates everything. There was also footage of him backstage, rallying the locker room before one of the shows, which was probably needed since this was only a few days after Larry Sweeney died and everyone was pretty somber. Anyway, Waltman came out of the show looking fantastic and in the best shape he had been in in years. A year later it's King of Trios 2012 and we get the fever dream match on Night 1 of Team ECW (Jerry Lynn, Tommy Dreamer, and Too Cold Scorpio) vs. Team WWF (1-2-3 Kid, Tatanka, and Justin Credible wearing the most homemade Aldo Montoya outfit you've ever seen). Team WWF lost and, as you can guess, Waltman did a post-match promo. It wasn't too pronounced due to it being a trios match, but Waltman had gained a good bit of weight and it did not look like the year was too good to him. The next night, he lost a singles match to Mr. Touchdown in a very quick and very bad match. Waltman looked out of shape and his promo afterwards was slurred nonsense. On Night 3, he and Marty Jannetty showed up at the tail end of the Tag Gauntlet and won. This was to build up an iPPV match of 1-2-3 Kid/Jannetty vs. the Young Bucks for the tag titles because Quack loved him some New Generation and this was a dream match to him. Unfortunately, Waltman was having a rough year and Jannetty was over-the-hill, so this 2-out-of-3 falls match was a gigantic slog and the Bucks retained. After Chikara did its year off storyline and came back, they had a wrestler named Prakash Sabar whose deal was that he was a masked, Middle Eastern knockoff of Waltman and was "Ex-Pakistan." I guess Quack just really wanted the payoff of Prakash vs. Waltman because he kept the gimmick around LONG after its expiration date. Long enough for Waltman to do commentary for one of Prakash's matches at one King of Trios, then finally beat him up during the 2016 year's Tag Gauntlet. It was Waltman's final appearance and it was pretty funny, as he had to genuinely explain to his partner Billy Gunn that, "No, seriously, this is NOT the crowd for your 'two words' bit."
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Gavok posted:After Chikara did its year off storyline and came back, they had a wrestler named Prakash Sabar whose deal was that he was a masked, Middle Eastern knockoff of Waltman and was "Ex-Pakistan." I guess Quack just really wanted the payoff of Prakash vs. Waltman because he kept the gimmick around LONG after its expiration date. Long enough for Waltman to do commentary for one of Prakash's matches at one King of Trios, then finally beat him up during the 2016 year's Tag Gauntlet. It was Waltman's final appearance and it was pretty funny, as he had to genuinely explain to his partner Billy Gunn that, "No, seriously, this is NOT the crowd for your 'two words' bit." Daddy rear end seemed genuinely surprised that he couldn't do it.
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Endless Mike posted:I was there for this one and that bit was pretty funny and led to a "FAMILY FRIENDLY" chant from the crowd. I'd be surprised too if I wasn't allowed to say suck it in front of a room full of middle aged men and sex pests.
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MassRafTer posted:I'd be surprised too if I wasn't allowed to say suck it in front of a room full of middle aged men and sex pests. Wow. Dick thing to say about me and Endless Mike.
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Gavok posted:Wow. Dick thing to say about me and Endless Mike. Endless Mike is a bully. I remember him having a sweet car though.
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We’re there ever any plans to do Sable vs Chyna? That seems like it would have been the biggest possible women’s match during the Attitude Era but I don’t remember them ever interacting, aside from maybe during the Mero/HHH feud.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:We’re there ever any plans to do Sable vs Chyna? That seems like it would have been the biggest possible women’s match during the Attitude Era but I don’t remember them ever interacting, aside from maybe during the Mero/HHH feud. I remember an interview where Chyna said she was considered part of the men's division so their paths wouldn't cross.
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