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Dan Proft is angry about how this election ended: https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1590539443353837568?s=20&t=kJdiPBUwxK37mO6SvJ5_Cw
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It’s this kind of false, inflammatory divisive rhetoric that just stokes the flames of partisanship. Everyone knows Proft is running to Florida. That’s obviously Darren Bailey.
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Nov 10, 2022 06:35
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Oracle posted:It’s this kind of false, inflammatory divisive rhetoric that just stokes the flames of partisanship. I thought Darren Bailey got sent back to the old west as a Cherokee.
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Nov 10, 2022 07:11
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They literally think that they themselves (and myself and my family) are only worth $1. loving pathetic assholes. 
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Nov 10, 2022 13:22
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Being tired of the people that sustain you is a time honored tradition and begins in childhood.
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Nov 10, 2022 13:47
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Millions of us! Like 3? Because 9 of the 12 in the whole state live in the part you don't like.
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Nov 10, 2022 13:57
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I don't think the college towns want to be part of chudlandia either
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Nov 10, 2022 14:11
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I for one am worth at least $3.50 and will not accept a penny less. Millions for grifting but not a penny for taxes
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Nov 10, 2022 14:17
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I'm confused, is LaSalle county in this sale or not? I question the legitimacy of this border they've created.
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Nov 10, 2022 14:21
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There are dozens of us! Literally dozens! Edit: they can't just secede because without the tax revenue from the Chicago area, they would be West Virginia.
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Nov 10, 2022 15:36
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Nail Rat posted:There are dozens of us! YOU know that, and I know that, and the THREAD knows that . . . but do THEY know that? I suspect some of their leadership does, but when I lived in Central IL I frequently heard "We should get rid of Chicago, make it its own state, they're stealing all our tax dollars!" To be honest, I didn't know any better until I found this thread (or, more likely, one of the previous iterations thereof) and that image in the OP and I was like "Holy poo poo lmao, you mean to tell me the same guys that told me getting a raise would net me less money were wrong about this aspect of taxes as well??!?!?! I'll be damned." Edit: Looking at the map again, they weren't wrong that THEIR tax dollars probably weren't staying at home, but they were absolutely incorrect on where they were actually going. Zarin fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 15:42
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HootTheOwl posted:Millions of us! There’s millions of us! *Checks to make sure they included Peoria, Bloomington Normal, and Champaign Urbana.* Millions!
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Nov 10, 2022 15:56
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With the various stories about how NY Dems likely are to blame for potentially losing the house and just generally being incompetent, really Illinois D's should be getting an awful lot more credit. https://twitter.com/JakeSheridan_/status/1590703596948975616
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Nov 10, 2022 16:12
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Clouseau posted:With the various stories about how NY Dems likely are to blame for potentially losing the house and just generally being incompetent, really Illinois D's should be getting an awful lot more credit. I'm conditioned to assume that when you juxtapose the headline like this you're making fun of it and I don't get the joke.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:33
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:They literally think that they themselves (and myself and my family) are only worth $1. loving pathetic assholes. "Not accepting offers from Indiana. Yeah, you're a red state and all, but still, just no. Ew."
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Nov 10, 2022 19:16
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Illinois Democrats really don't gently caress around, it's really a nice change from the rest of the party.
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Dog Faced JoJo posted:Illinois Democrats really don't gently caress around, it's really a nice change from the rest of the party. Now if only the rest of the country would sit up and take notice instead of being all ‘oh, New York’ and ‘oh, California.’ That said, you’ll take my large and in charge big boy governator over my cold dead body.
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Nov 11, 2022 04:10
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It's a drat shame the progressive tax failed last time, but other than that JB 's been really solid
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Dog Faced JoJo posted:Illinois Democrats really don't gently caress around, it's really a nice change from the rest of the party. They’ve taken the cutthroat approach of Chicago politics statewide. Although I guess that’s been going on for a while, but now it seems like they’re really trying to bury the republicans. So frustrating to see so many other state parties suck so much.
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Nov 11, 2022 05:30
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brugroffil posted:It's a drat shame the progressive tax failed last time, but other than that JB 's been really solid The ads for it were awful compared to the Workers amendment one. Progressive tax: annoying music, text on screen, no spoken words, no people Workers rights: people talking about the workers rights amendments and how it will help nurses and stuff like that Almost like they didn’t want the progressive tax to actually pass 
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Nov 11, 2022 05:33
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hell of a conspiracy that's anti progressive taxation but pro workers rights
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Badger of Basra posted:hell of a conspiracy that's anti progressive taxation but pro workers rights Yeah, maybe it was just gross incompetence, I dunno. The ads were terrible and they did nothing to counter the bullshit mustache man ads saying, “this would allow them to raise taxes whenever they want!” Should’ve had JB rip through that clip and say, “Guess what Illinois, we can already raise your taxes whenever we want! But we can’t raise taxes on rich people like me while keeping your taxes the same. So come on Illinois, here’s your chance to raise MY taxes, not yours! Vote Yes!”
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Nov 11, 2022 06:32
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the average person has absolutely no idea how a progressive tax works
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FuturePastNow posted:the average person has absolutely no idea how a progressive tax works The average person doesn’t understand how taxes work period. I had to explain how our tax system worked to someone a couple days ago and it blew their mind. For those that don’t know and frankly I don’t blame you since they don’t teach you this stuff anywhere. Let’s say the tax brackets are as such; $0 - $10,000 - 5% $10,001 - $20,000 - 6% If you make $10,000 income in one year, your entire income will be taxed at 5%. ($500) If you make $15,000, your first $10,000 will be taxed at 5% and the remaining $5,000 will be taxed at 6%. 5% of 10,000 = 500. 6% of 5000 = 300. Total tax paid is 500 + 300 = $800. You do NOT get taxed 6% for the entirety of your income. If you did, it would amount to $900. It is incredibly complicated and I believe that is done on purpose to try and stop people from making more money. I have known plenty of people who have turned down raises and/or overtime in the past because they were worried about taxes. It is also why lowering taxes on the wealthy is such an awful idea.
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Nov 11, 2022 13:04
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Bird in a Blender posted:They’ve taken the cutthroat approach of Chicago politics statewide. Although I guess that’s been going on for a while, but now it seems like they’re really trying to bury the republicans. So frustrating to see so many other state parties suck so much. They've done it while dumping Madigan, too. The GOP lost their Boogeyman
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Nov 11, 2022 13:17
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Djarum posted:The average person doesn’t understand how taxes work period. Good countries just auto calculate that stuff and send you a postcard and you're done. No other way to do progressive taxation without creating actual negative cliffs. You have to tax chunks of income differently otherwise the fear of "if I get a raise I'll make less money!" would actually happen.
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Nov 11, 2022 13:20
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Badger of Basra posted:hell of a conspiracy that's anti progressive taxation but pro workers rights Is it? Unions care more about membership than tax structure?
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HootTheOwl posted:Is it? Unions care more about membership than tax structure? It's this. Unions, except for teachers unions, are pretty conservative outside of bargaining rights and minimum wage. Plenty of union local bosses are making 6 figures.
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brugroffil posted:Good countries just auto calculate that stuff and send you a postcard and you're done. I’m pretty sure, speaking as a preparer, that what keeps throwing people like this, is their REFUND goes down sometimes with more income. Which, yeah, if you get enough income to phase out of earned income tax credit and/or other credits, you may see a lower refund because we have a lot of stuff set up to give higher refunds to poorer people because they kind of need the extra money to live. Add in not adjusting withholding enough for changes, and they see lower refunds/balances due and complain about how high their taxes are. Never mind the fact ideally you’d want a refund of $0 because that means you didn’t waste excess money from your paycheck. It’s not the most annoying misconception I have to deal with (that’s probably the people who think I know some magic to make the IRS obey me), but “my refund is lower so taxes bad” sure is up there.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:They literally think that they themselves (and myself and my family) are only worth $1. loving pathetic assholes. And a week and a half later they’d be bitching about all their taxes going to St. Louis.
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Geshtal posted:And a week and a half later they’d be bitching about all their taxes going to St. Louis. When I was a small Chicago child, "Going to St. Louis" is what my dad said poop did when I flushed the toilet. Your statement works on multiple levels, nice!
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Technically,
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the poo poo canal takes it to the Des Plaines river which takes it to the Mississippi so yes Chicago turds go to St Louis
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St Louis sued to prevent the opening of the sanitary and ship canal because they saw a literal river of poo poo heading their way. Chicago just opened it up in the middle of the night before the court decision was announced.
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borkencode posted:St Louis sued to prevent the opening of the sanitary and ship canal because they saw a literal river of poo poo heading their way. Chicago just opened it up in the middle of the night before the court decision was announced. This city knows how to get poo poo done.
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Uh excuse me couple corrections there 1) we didn't just open the canal we dynamited the last barriers a month before the court ruling would have been issued 2) water testing show that the Mississippi above St Louis was already as polluted as what was coming from Chicago (the firm doing the testing was from Chicago but still) 3) St Louis never sought permission from any downstream city before they started dumping their sewage in. Hypocrites!
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I have nothing to add about the history of St. Louis/Chicago feces but I wanted to contribute that the Centennial bicycle trail that runs between the Des Plaines River and the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal is my favorite bike trail in northern Illinois. It doesn't smell like poo poo but sometimes you see strange items dumped alongside the waterways. Goes from Willow Springs to Romeoville.
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Capitol Fax guy reposted this so I’m going to say it’s credible https://mobile.twitter.com/FrankCalabrese/status/1592181607330623489
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What the heck is your problem, DuPage.
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xzzy posted:What the heck is your problem, DuPage. Rich people. Naperville is one of the richest cities in the nation, plus Oak Brook has million dollar condominiums in a high rise.
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