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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Asgardsrei
Genre
National Socialist black metal
Location(s)
Moscow, Russia (2012–2013) Kyiv, Ukraine (2014–present)

Huh, there's that year again...

The festival is strongly connected to Alexey Levkin of М8Л8ТХ, and his "Militant Zone" label, who act as organizers and originally founded the festival in Moscow in 2012. Levkin and the Militant Zone are heavily involved in the Ukrainian nationalist, Azov Battalion.[3]

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Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008



lmao. ukkkraine sucks so loving much dude

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PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Lostconfused posted:



Also Beylorussian, Russian, and Ukrainian are all culturally in the same group so they just assimilate into the local population :ssh:

Lots and lots going on in that map, in classic Paradox fashion. Why is Georgia Russian?? Is Cracow... Ukrainian?

gradenko_2000 posted:

lmfao at Budjak being Romanian

Ahem.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

RWA keeps melting down that Russia doesn't shoot missiles at Zelenskyy when he visits Kherson. Seems super mad about it

e: oops forgot the link. extremely psycho posting energy

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1592100700229607424

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Lots and lots going on in that map, in classic Paradox fashion. Why is Georgia Russian?? Is Cracow... Ukrainian?

Ahem.

The game divides settler colonialism into settler and colonialism. The first one is for settling "unclaimed land" where the primary population migrates to and inhabits newly conquered lands, while the second one is about exploiting the population that already lives there.





Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

speng31b posted:

RWA keeps melting down that Russia doesn't shoot missiles at Zelenskyy when he visits Kherson. Seems super mad about it

Assassinating Zelensky would remove the only person who might sign a peace, in such a way his nationalist successor wouldn’t have to.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

lmao. ukkkraine sucks so loving much dude

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weird probe

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

Assassinating Zelensky would remove the only person who might sign a peace, in such a way his nationalist successor wouldn’t have to.

It would be sweet revenge on one’s Twitter enemies, so it must be done.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

speng31b posted:

RWA keeps melting down that Russia doesn't shoot missiles at Zelenskyy when he visits Kherson. Seems super mad about it

e: oops forgot the link. extremely psycho posting energy

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1592100700229607424

lol they're like the most milquetoast nationalists.

От Мариуполя до Карпат posted:

You have no idea what's going on here. It feels like everyone is protecting the junkie. Nothing better happen to Vovochka, nobody better take a shot at him. Surely the mortars have been removed? Are we sure none of our guys are in that sector? Have they withdrawn? Was the other side notified? And them, and those?????
(from t.me/osvedomitell_alex/2091, via tgsa)

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Frosted Flake posted:

Assassinating Zelensky would remove the only person who might sign a peace, in such a way his nationalist successor wouldn’t have to.

the part in the tweet where he compares that option favorably to how the US handled Saddam is especially big brained

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Lots and lots going on in that map, in classic Paradox fashion. Why is Georgia Russian?? Is Cracow... Ukrainian?

Ahem.

He's let the game run for a while and that map is showing the largest culture in state rather than "homelands". Georgia starts as Georgian and Krakow as Polish.

The most insane part of the homelands is that North Caucasia is both a Russian and Ukrainian homeland, in a game that takes place just slightly before the North Caucasian genocide.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

lmao. ukkkraine sucks so loving much dude

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

I mean probably the only posting here that would actually really get me in some sort of trouble at work is identifying the levels of integration that have been allowed with a corrupt state with no particular national relationship to Canada, like the CUPP program that puts a Ukrainian intern in every office of Parliament, which you can see as either influence peddling or awfully close to intelligence work.

The Ukrainian national anthem being sung before Canadian sports games this year, the media running cover for Bandera and the OUN, CBC announcing that reporting in Chrystia Freeland’s grandfather is Russian Disinformation even though it’s true, the involvement of CSOR, CSIS and RCMP far outstripping our national interest.

It’s a dark irony that there is sort of a Ukraino-Liberalism at work.

I’m sorry about your country but it’s totally owned by Ukrainian nationalists now and it’s baffling :rip:

also lol at this apologetic coverage from vice

https://www.vice.com/en/article/8xmyna/canadas-foreign-minister-warns-of-russian-destabilization-efforts-and-she-might-be-a-target

quote:


Canada’s foreign minister warns of Russian destabilization efforts — and she might be a target

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland warned of Russian meddling in Canadian politics on Monday, as information coming from within the Russian embassy targets her family history.

The minister made the comments in Ottawa, at a press conference announcing an extension of a Canadian training mission in Ukraine that is meant to help Kyiv combat Russian-backed militias.

“I think that it is also public knowledge that there have been efforts, as U.S. intelligence forces have said, by Russia to destabilize the U.S. political system,” she said.

“I think that Canadians, and indeed other western countries, should be prepared for similar efforts to be directed at us. I am confident in our country’s democracy, and I am confident that we can stand up to and see through those efforts.”

Freeland, who has held her post for the past two months, is of Ukrainian heritage and is persona non grata in Russia, listed on a travel ban because of her outspoken support for the NATO-allied government of Ukraine. The Russian embassy has made no secret that they opposed her appointment. It appears that their animosity may be taking shape in an effort to discredit the minister.

On Monday, the Globe and Mail asked Freeland about articles, posted to two different online sites, alleging that her maternal grandfather had been editor-in-chief of a collaborationist newspaper that worked directly with the Nazis.

The same allegations were sent to VICE News by someone in the Russian embassy in January, the day after Freeland was sworn in as minister of foreign affairs. The Russian source suggested that Freeland should be questioned on her grandfather’s work during the war.

The Russian embassy declined to speak on the record for this story.

Michael Chomiak, Freeland’s maternal grandfather, indeed fled Ukraine during the war and wound up editor-in-chief of Krakivski Visti, a Ukrainian nationalist newspaper published in Krakow and Vienna, sanctioned by the Nazi-run government.

“Kremlin propaganda directly targets specific journalists, politicians and individuals in the EU.”

But John-Paul Himka, a professor emeritus at the University of Alberta who has written extensively about Krakivski Visti, told VICE News the truth is more complicated.

“It was a newspaper that had to collaborate with the Germans and had certain areas of ideological kinship,” said Himka, who is related by marriage to both Freeland (his niece) and Chomiak (his father-in-law.)

The paper did publish anti-semitic material, often accusing the Russian Bolsheviks — who carried out mass killings of Ukrainians at the time — of being predominately Jewish, a common and incorrect trope of the time. Other articles, always written under pseudonyms (although the authors have since been identified) sought to dehumanize the Jewish population through conspiracy and innuendo. Some of those articles were required by the Germans, according to records of correspondence from the paper’s editors.

Ultimately, he said, it is also difficult to pin any of this onto Freeland’s grandfather.

“He wrote nothing for the paper. He was largely a figurehead, a liaison with the German censors and a guy to call on the carpet when a whipping boy was needed,” Himka said over email.

Freeland has had a career, and a life, of her own. Her family migrated to Canada after the war, where Chomiak died in 2004. She’s been a Member of Parliament since 2013.

Still, two writers — one based in Crimea, the other in Moscow, both who write with a pro-Russian slant — published stories on her grandfather’s supposed ties with the Nazis, little more than a week after the story was first taken to VICE News.

Freeland hasn’t been the only politician to draw the attention of Russia.

Media outlets run by the Kremlin, such as Sputnik News and RT, have long spun yarns about Western politicians, tearing down those who support sanctions against Moscow and boosting those who seek closer ties with President Vladimir Putin.

A report from the European Parliament concluded late last year that “Kremlin propaganda directly targets specific journalists, politicians and individuals in the EU.”

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

He's let the game run for a while and that map is showing the largest culture in state rather than "homelands". Georgia starts as Georgian and Krakow as Polish.
There's no homelands map. It's a hardcoded state specific trait that you have to click on the state to look at. It also only matters for cultural assimilation and migration. Homeland on its own is completely meaningless.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Looks like america is offering russia an off ramp

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1592174735827537920?s=61&t=uQgnQ33_kzWuvY3id87Qhw

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

tristeham posted:

weird probe

I was pretty clear about the new rules in the OP.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Zelensky is a modern day Porfirio Díaz, the people seek stability

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

lmao. ukkkraine sucks so loving much dude

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speng31b
May 8, 2010


america saying LETS NEGOTIATE real loud so everyone can hear it while still pumping up the ukrainian military to escalate towards crimea, classic US stuff right there

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Nonsense posted:

Zelensky is a modern day Porfirio Díaz, the people seek stability

So far from God, so close to the EU and Russia.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

speng31b posted:

america saying LETS NEGOTIATE real loud so everyone can hear it while still pumping up the ukrainian military to escalate towards crimea, classic US stuff right there

Also they have to say that they're not negotiating so that Ukrainians don't start having second thoughts either.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/14/politics/cia-director-bill-burns-russian-counterpart/index.html

quote:

CNN has previously reported that national security adviser Jake Sullivan has also been in touch with his Russian counterparts to warn them of the consequences should Russia use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine.

The spokesperson emphasized that Burns “is not conducting negotiations of any kind.”

“He is not discussing settlement of the war in Ukraine. He is conveying a message on the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons by Russia, and the risks of escalation to strategic stability. He will also raise the cases of unjustly detained US citizens.”

The spokesperson added that the US briefed Ukraine on the meeting in advance of Burns’ trip.

“We firmly stick to our fundamental principle: nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine,” the spokesperson said.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Majorian posted:

So far from God, so close to the EU and Russia.

You ruined the quote, nice job.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Lostconfused posted:

You ruined the quote, nice job.

TY, I'm good at that.:allears:

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

There's no homelands map. It's a hardcoded state specific trait that you have to click on the state to look at. It also only matters for cultural assimilation and migration. Homeland on its own is completely meaningless.

No, you release certain countries based on their "homelands". The effect is that if you release an independent Ukraine, whether you are Russia or you force Russia too, it gets the part of the world that they settled through a well-documented, "round up the locals and slit their throats" genocide.

Leaving pre-approval of mass murder aside, if Kuban is a Ukrainian homeland because a bunch of Ukrainians moved there in the game's timeframe, then Outer Manchuria and Northern Kazakhstan should be as well.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

No, you release certain countries based on their "homelands". The effect is that if you release an independent Ukraine, whether you are Russia or you force Russia too, it gets the part of the world that they settled through a well-documented, "round up the locals and slit their throats" genocide.

Leaving pre-approval of mass murder aside, if Kuban is a Ukrainian homeland because a bunch of Ukrainians moved there in the game's timeframe, then Outer Manchuria and Northern Kazakhstan should be as well.

Ah ok, so it gets treated as cores for releasing a subject.

You're wrong about everything else though.

Edit: Russian and Ukrainian are still treated as part of the same east slavic culture nothing will happen to the Russian pops.

and

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 18:31 on Nov 14, 2022

speng31b
May 8, 2010

go canada

Al Jazeera posted:

Canada will provide Ukraine with another $500m in military assistance and has placed sanctions on nearly two dozen more Russians, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office has announced.

The additional funding adds to the $3.4bn of Canadian assistance to Kyiv so far for its defence against Russia’s invasion and will help fund military, surveillance and communications equipment; fuel; and medical supplies, Trudeau’s office said in a statement.

Monday’s sanctions target 23 Russians “involved in gross and systematic human rights violations against Russian opposition leaders”, including police officers, prosecutors, judges and prison officials, the statement said.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

lmao. ukkkraine sucks so loving much dude

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hey

gently caress off with this

it doesn't suck its actually really cool.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

Ah ok, so it gets treated as cores for releasing a subject.

You're wrong about everything else though.

Edit: Russian and Ukrainian are still treated as part of the same east slavic culture nothing will happen to the Russian pops.

and



It's the North Caucasians who were genocided dumbo. The Russians and Ukrainians were the ones who did it.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

It's the North Caucasians who were genocided dumbo. The Russians and Ukrainians were the ones who did it.

Pretty sure you can't even genocide anyone even if you wanted to do. You'd have to try really hard to exploit the game to even up the mortality rate that high somehow.

iCe-CuBe.
Jun 9, 2011

Al-Saqr posted:

yeah it looks like the Ukranians winning in Kherson is hopefully going to be the natural stopping point of the war, the russians will get the DPR, LPR and half of Zaporozhia and the other bank of Kherson, while ukraine will keep 85% of their country.

hopefully this is the end of this.

Thank God.. it's over.

iCe-CuBe.
Jun 9, 2011

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

lmao. ukkkraine sucks so loving much dude

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Lol WTF?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

"it's gonna be the Korean DMZ but in Eastern Europe" is a long loving border

like, I'm not even saying it's necessarily a wrong prediction, but that kind of fortification is mind-boggling to think about

the EU already needs to build walls to keep out the jungle. a Ukrainian DMZ is able to both resist Russia and prevent migrants from getting into the garden.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

Pretty sure you can't even genocide anyone even if you wanted to do. You'd have to try really hard to exploit the game to even up the mortality rate that high somehow.

ofc not, but it's noticeable that California or Tierra del Fuego aren't considered "homelands" of the people who genocided the local population slightly after the game's start date.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Honestly what’s fascinating to me is how much the history of WW2 will be rewritten in the West to further accommodate the Ukrainians and Balts.

I was furious that they put Ukrainians in Kherson next to Canadians liberating the Netherlands, but how on earth do you explain that to regular people? The narrative of WW2 has already been stripped down and simplified to the extent that you can change pretty much anything about it except Germany Bad and most people won’t know much different.

the Eastern Front is being transformed in the European imagination into being remembered like US Western expansion. There will be an acknowledgement that crimes occurred and they were horrific, but it was also an experience that created national identities and forged heroes for those nations.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

ofc not, but it's noticeable that California or Tierra del Fuego aren't considered "homelands" of the people who genocided the local population slightly after the game's start date.

If you want to say that the game is designed with some modern day preconceptions about race and ethnicity then sure.

But as far as the actual game mechanics go, those things don't matter outside of colonizing "disorganized" states.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1592211722919608321?s=20&t=O-BV7mxHEpC1KKV8y7tY3w

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1592168931556753410?s=20&t=O-BV7mxHEpC1KKV8y7tY3w

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1591968322945716224

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Lostconfused posted:

lol they're like the most milquetoast nationalists.

yeah that's true, im seeing a ton of russian nationalists who are extremely angry they let lil Z have the photo ops in izium and kherson without assassinating him. they seem a lot angrier about this "insult" than the retreat itself

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Majorian posted:

I was pretty clear about the new rules in the OP.

im not convinced

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Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

If you want to say that the game is designed with some modern day preconceptions about race and ethnicity then sure.

But as far as the actual game mechanics go, those things don't matter outside of colonizing "disorganized" states.

Race and ethnicity has nothing to do with this. There's nothing particularly notable aside from the fact that this "acknowledgement" of Ukrainian nationalism actually serves to paper over a genocide where Ukrainians benefited.

Part of the North Caucasian genocide actually highlights how unstable the modern narrative of the Ukrainian nation is. From the documentation at the time there's essentially no mention of the phrase Ukrainian, all the perpetrators identify as Russian, all the settlers are referred to as Russian. But if you look at the language-based census, the settlers were largely Ukrainian speakers. And if you look at the perpetrators, the local ones were Cossacks, descended from the same Zaporizhian host that supposedly started first Ukrainian state.

In another 50 years, Ukrainian nationalists would then try to claim Kuban as a part of Ukraine, and later still they would say that every Ukrainian speaker in Kuban who died in the Soviet famine was a holodomor victim.

If you follow the story you get a long history of an eternal Ukrainian nation, which briefly becomes Russian during a period when they are committing genocide, then reverting back to Ukrainian after all that's over. Also when those Ukrainians in 2022 Kuban actually exist and generally support Russia, they become Russians again. It's like grasshoppers and locusts, Ukrainians are the base form, Russians are the orc form.

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