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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021


lol watching that video i was like "nazi salute is a little bit of a stretch, this is stupid, he's just holding a flag" but then at the end... drat

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Look friend, it's just a video game where you can't even make genocide happen and none of that matters.

You can either look at it as whitewashing history or obliquely acknowledging what happened.

Neither of which makes a difference to the game itself.

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

Al-Saqr posted:

yeah it looks like the Ukranians winning in Kherson is hopefully going to be the natural stopping point of the war, the russians will get the DPR, LPR and half of Zaporozhia and the other bank of Kherson, while ukraine will keep 85% of their country.

hopefully this is the end of this.

Do you think the ultranationalist and outright nazi groups in Ukraine will stop the bloodshed, even if Russia pulled back right this second?

Do you think that this war, which has been going on for 8 years now, will be over that easily?

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

lobster shirt posted:

lol watching that video i was like "nazi salute is a little bit of a stretch, this is stupid, he's just holding a flag" but then at the end... drat

his friend was missing and he was just describing his height

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012


Isn't the vast majority of yaoi still produced by and for heterosexuals as a way to commoditize and consume queer experiences? About as tastefully as old women in prison films? The (admittedly relatively few) gay people I had talked about it disliked how often it would fetishize pedophilia, rape, tragic violent gay death etc. Not that any Russian legislation would take such opinions into account of course


Anyway

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Atrocious Joe posted:

the Eastern Front is being transformed in the European imagination into being remembered like US Western expansion. There will be an acknowledgement that crimes occurred and they were horrific, but it was also an experience that created national identities and forged heroes for those nations.

Only makes sense with Manifest Destiny being the blueprint for the Nazi Drang nach Osten

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Lostconfused posted:

Pretty sure you can't even genocide anyone even if you wanted to do. You'd have to try really hard to exploit the game to even up the mortality rate that high somehow.

Well the boarding school mass graves aren't explicitly modeled in the game, but the decision to create them is there.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

Well the boarding school mass graves aren't explicitly modeled in the game, but the decision to create them is there.

:wrong:

It's not a decision, Canada starts with them by default.

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

Race and ethnicity has nothing to do with this. There's nothing particularly notable aside from the fact that this "acknowledgement" of Ukrainian nationalism actually serves to paper over a genocide where Ukrainians benefited.

Part of the North Caucasian genocide actually highlights how unstable the modern narrative of the Ukrainian nation is. From the documentation at the time there's essentially no mention of the phrase Ukrainian, all the perpetrators identify as Russian, all the settlers are referred to as Russian. But if you look at the language-based census, the settlers were largely Ukrainian speakers. And if you look at the perpetrators, the local ones were Cossacks, descended from the same Zaporizhian host that supposedly started first Ukrainian state.

In another 50 years, Ukrainian nationalists would then try to claim Kuban as a part of Ukraine, and later still they would say that every Ukrainian speaker in Kuban who died in the Soviet famine was a holodomor victim.

If you follow the story you get a long history of an eternal Ukrainian nation, which briefly becomes Russian during a period when they are committing genocide, then reverting back to Ukrainian after all that's over. Also when those Ukrainians in 2022 Kuban actually exist and generally support Russia, they become Russians again. It's like grasshoppers and locusts, Ukrainians are the base form, Russians are the orc form.

Another good post! Thread must have really rested up well over weekend

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Lostconfused posted:

:wrong:

It's not a decision, Canada starts with them by default.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydJqPlbxhGY&t=651s

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

Look friend, it's just a video game where you can't even make genocide happen and none of that matters.

You can either look at it as whitewashing history or obliquely acknowledging what happened.

Neither of which makes a difference to the game itself.

You should see all experiences as opportunities to contextualize your perception of the greater world. In this case, something eminently ignorable in Victoria 3 showcases the implicit acceptance of genocide to liberal acknowledgements of Ukrainian nationalism.


PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Isn't the vast majority of yaoi still produced by and for heterosexuals as a way to commoditize and consume queer experiences? About as tastefully as old women in prison films? The (admittedly relatively few) gay people I had talked about it disliked how often it would fetishize pedophilia, rape, tragic violent gay death etc. Not that any Russian legislation would take such opinions into account of course

Yes, it's fundamentally the same as girl-on-girl porno for male consumption

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


That's a random event that any country can get.

They just sometimes end up being very poignant because of what laws and minority populations a "country" starts with like

Lostconfused posted:

When the RNG gets a bit too political.


Slim Jim Pickens posted:

You should see all experiences as opportunities to contextualize your perception of the greater world. In this case, something eminently ignorable in Victoria 3 showcases the implicit acceptance of genocide to liberal acknowledgements of Ukrainian nationalism.
It's ignorable because it doesn't happen in that context. It's a video game where bad things don't happen and the player is supposed to have fun.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
Yeah any nation can get that event, it's still the genocide button.

I got the Industrial Barriers event with Askenazi as Germany, three months after unification. Just... come on, guys.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

It's not a genocide button because it doesn't actually do any genocide. Otherwise I'd be geocoding a lot more capitalists.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Lostconfused posted:

It's not a genocide button because it doesn't actually do any genocide.

Really my text adventure that says, "You did genocide" doesn't actually do a genocide because it doesn't tabulate the victims? This is denialism. :mods:

speng31b
May 8, 2010

posters about to get shot for in-game genocide denial

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

That's a random event that any country can get.

They just sometimes end up being very poignant because of what laws and minority populations a "country" starts with like



It's ignorable because it doesn't happen in that context. It's a video game where bad things don't happen and the player is supposed to have fun.

You are not understanding me, this is not really about the game. At least not for me.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

You are not understanding me, this is not really about the game. At least not for me.

No I understand that, I just only care about the game.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


https://twitter.com/lizaclinwizard/status/1592204922388647936?t=k3t-suKAfeHrC3A9xW3Ebg&s=19

cool martyrdom

iCe-CuBe.
Jun 9, 2011

Everyone has a little Nazi angel watching ove rhtem (NOTICE: MODS. I do not mean that all angels are nazis. This is implying that specific members of the Azov Regiment, who I do not support, are nazis, and they are called angels in tthe tweet, so its a reference to that. Please.. plesase for the love of god understand I want no trouble)

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Look if you want to talk about genocide then I think you should talk about it and not diminish the issue by contextualizing it through a bad game that refuses to address that point because it's a politically sensitive topic that gets in the way of their cultural/national/ideological power fantasy.

Looking at the world through the lens of a paradox game is no way to live.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

No I understand that, I just only care about the game.

my apologies, gamer

Akaiku
May 17, 2013
Is.. is Canada in danger of collapse if Ukraine goes first?

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1591986635142561793

https://twitter.com/DagnyTaggart963/status/1592095403570499585
article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/13/taiwan-china-invasion-military-aid/

us is going to defend everything and lose everything

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

Yes, it's fundamentally the same as girl-on-girl porno for male consumption
it's fundamentally a lot of different things to a lot of different people, op. yaoi isn't just porn, but you can bet your rear end a ban on yaoi would ban everything not just the 18+ section

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

Really my text adventure that says, "You did genocide" doesn't actually do a genocide because it doesn't tabulate the victims? This is denialism. :mods:

USE GULAG ON CAPITALISTS

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

Look if you want to talk about genocide then I think you should talk about it and not diminish the issue by contextualizing it through a bad game that refuses to address that point because it's a politically sensitive topic that gets in the way of their cultural/national/ideological power fantasy.

Looking at the world through the lens of a paradox game is no way to live.

Whoa Viccy 3 is a bad game?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Truga posted:

it's fundamentally a lot of different things to a lot of different people, op. yaoi isn't just porn, but you can bet your rear end a ban on yaoi would ban everything not just the 18+ section

There's other subgenres for different subcultures that all have their own aesthetic and audience. I don't think the dominant culture will bother to destinquish between any of them, it's all just "moral degradation".

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Whoa Viccy 3 is a bad game?
I am having fun with it, but it's bad from the point of view of historical accuracy or realism.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Whoa Viccy 3 is a bad game?

the only good paradox game is stellaris because it doesn't shy away from the stupider topics of empires

in hoi4, the whole "actually, germany is doing a triple genocide to everyone south or east of them" never comes up at all lmfao, at least in stellaris i can purge the heretic space elves

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Whoa Viccy 3 is a bad game?

like all paradox games at release its fun but nto quite finished

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

Truga posted:

the only good paradox game is stellaris because it doesn't shy away from the stupider topics of empires

in hoi4, the whole "actually, germany is doing a triple genocide to everyone south or east of them" never comes up at all lmfao, at least in stellaris i can purge the heretic space elves

that was a deliberate design choice on the part of the devs as they wanted to make a war simulator not a game where you can do the holocaust. whether thats appropriate for a world war 2 game is up for debate but knowing the political beliefs of a big chunk of paradox's player base i think that disallowing the player from meaningfully interacting with civilian populations (except as an abstract number for manpower) is certainly defensible lol

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Lostconfused posted:

It's not a genocide button because it doesn't actually do any genocide. Otherwise I'd be geocoding a lot more capitalists.

The button increases assimilation of Cree pops by +20%

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Whoa Viccy 3 is a bad game?

its 4 or so different mostly disconnected simulations built on top of each other and the marxist economics sim is the only part that seems mostly functional. even then there's clearly a lot of stuff left out to be included as future dlc

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
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gradenko_2000 posted:

the grandson of Stepan Bandera is Canadian

the grandson of Stepan Bandera is Canadian

just let that roll around in your brainpan for a while

Canada is just a giant human centipede with mining/oil execs in the front, catholic priests in the back, and ukrainian nazis in the middle.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
kkkanada

speng31b
May 8, 2010

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Canada is just a giant human centipede with mining/oil execs in the front, catholic priests in the back, and ukrainian nazis in the middle.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Please be precise in your metaphors about Canada as a "giant human centipede."

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1591986635142561793
us is going to defend everything and lose everything

A little surprised at how few weapons russia had available for this invasion

Mildly alarmed that our military is worried about running out of weapons too

I am not a military geek, but aren't artillery shells, like, some steel wrapped about 50 lbs of gunpowder with 100 lbs of lead as the payload? And I guess a priming cap and some anti corrosion stuff probably. Big giant bullets. Seems like you could tool up a factory to make a thousand of these a day at just a couple % above the cost of materials 24/7/365

Are they mostly concerned about the HIMARS and Javelins or what. Looks like they've built 45k javelins so surely the manufacturing capacity is there?

Seems like the biggest risk for everyone involved is Ukraine and Russia run out of artillery and rockets and get into a protracted rifle shooting war on live television and nobody can successfully draft in times of war to replenish the army. Seems like the biggest loss for countries globally is hundreds of hours of video of Russia's brightest and richest people of child bearing age queued up at borders then walking across the border and never coming back. Everyone ages 10-30 the next time a war breaks out somewhere, those people (who can afford to) are all going to walk out the door and across the border rather than get shot at (which is fine by me, but a real problem if you're in the business of war)

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


https://www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-cancels-work-permit-foreign-media-over-coverage-violation-cnn-reportedly-included-3635431

https://mobile.twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1591983412327358464

Not all foreign media is getting kicked out of Kherson but its extremely funny that some of the more pro-Ukraine outlets like Sky and CNN got burned.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Rybar's melting down about Russia not assassinating Zelensky in Kherson:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1592205761366872066
https://mobile.twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1592205765942837248
https://mobile.twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1592205771080892416

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Atrocious Joe posted:

The button increases assimilation of Cree pops by +20%

Assimilation doesn't mean what a normal person thinks of assimilation but rather as a hosed up brain of a paradox game dev thinks of assimilation.

It's impossible for Cree to assimilate in "Canada"





Edit: They will only assimilate under "Multiculturalism" law, which would already make them an accepted culture group. At which point in time it probably only lowers the rate at which their total population will grow?

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 20:43 on Nov 14, 2022

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