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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

skylined! posted:

How it's always been. I worked at a pizza place in Clearwater for a few years and we had more New Englander customers than locals, in like 2004. The NE'ers with money retire in FL and vote republican.

Seconded. A good friend of mine's parents moved down from Massachusetts a few year ago into a gated retirement community and immediately tumbled down the Fox News rabbit hole.

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skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
Hell, a lot of my friends growing up had parents and grandparents from NY and NJ. It's just so, so common.

Useful content, this is the only live stream I can find from trump's little announcement tonight.

https://www.rsbnetwork.com/video/watch-live-president-donald-j-trump-makes-special-announcement-at-mar-a-lago-11-15-22/

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

skylined! posted:

Hell, a lot of my friends growing up had parents and grandparents from NY and NJ. It's just so, so common.

Useful content, this is the only live stream I can find from trump's little announcement tonight.

https://www.rsbnetwork.com/video/watch-live-president-donald-j-trump-makes-special-announcement-at-mar-a-lago-11-15-22/

If all my favorite chud mocking subreddits are any indication, they're fully expecting him to challenge DeSantis to a duel and rip his head off Mortal Kombat style in front of the entire cheering Silent Majority, then present verifiable proof of all the hidden ballots and finally Jesus will come down from heaven on a golden staircase to announce they're all getting raptured.

They'll all be let down by the inevitable wet fart of an announcement to run in 2024 with veiled calls for terrorism, but they'll stick by him all the same

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

FlamingLiberal posted:

That’s part of it

The GOP has also begun to win among Hispanics in FL, something they struggled with more less than a decade ago

im not an expert, but i feel like all the recent "non white regressive bumps" is just white noise. its like winter or sumer having days that are slightly above/below avg.

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart

skylined! posted:

Hell, a lot of my friends growing up had parents and grandparents from NY and NJ. It's just so, so common.

Useful content, this is the only live stream I can find from trump's little announcement tonight.

https://www.rsbnetwork.com/video/watch-live-president-donald-j-trump-makes-special-announcement-at-mar-a-lago-11-15-22/

I tried watching it a few times.
First click and it was Lindell telling how amazing it was to see the prices drop so much with his code.
And two more times and it was just jerks hawking their websites.

Heres the end result though.

https://twitter.com/NEWSMAX/status/1592709116715094016

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
MAGAGA.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



The NY Post of all places not pulling its punches

https://twitter.com/christineromans/status/1592865158359289857?s=46&t=7BN_rtL1nxUesag0bynJ5w

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

You love to see it.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Being fair Murdoch has consistently hated Trump, it's just been very hard to push away from him while his braying hogs can still spell well enough to send death threats.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Says the guy who doesn't know what a woman is.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
I love the party that's "fighting human trafficking" praises desantis for "shipping illegals to another part of America" as a positive. Just says everything you need to know about republicans.

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

BiggerBoat posted:

I'm from Philly but have lived in NE FL for 20+ years and tehre are poo poo ton of Giants, Steelers, Eagles and WAshington fans here. Lots and lots of people living here from up that way.

Yeah, but that's just because nobody wants to be a Jaguars fan.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

I love the party that's "fighting human trafficking" praises desantis for "shipping illegals to another part of America" as a positive. Just says everything you need to know about republicans.

Every accusation is a confession.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

I love the party that's "fighting human trafficking" praises desantis for "shipping illegals to another part of America" as a positive. Just says everything you need to know about republicans.

Because those 'illegals' aren't human to them.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
Oh I know. It's just remarkable how they can literally contradict their "beliefs" by them saying their next action and people are still blind to it.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



It also doesn’t matter that these people came in from a place that Republicans hate, the ‘socialist hellhole’ of Venezuela.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

skylined! posted:

How it's always been. I worked at a pizza place in Clearwater for a few years and we had more New Englander customers than locals, in like 2004. The NE'ers with money retire in FL and vote republican.

How’s your clam pizza

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

FlamingLiberal posted:

The NY Post of all places not pulling its punches

So is it now the failing New York Post?

...

Anyway, some stray observations from my RWM talk radio hate listening today:

- It's really loving funny listening to these people bitch about how long it takes to count ballots when they and their ilk were the ones who pushed so hard to not allow any kind of early count for ballots that came in prior to election day. To a large extent, it's the GOP's own "anti fraud" measures that legally delay counts in Pennsylvania and poo poo. Hay, dickeheads: make it harder and more of a hassle to vote and for poll workers to do their jobs and guess what? poo poo takes longer. Of course, the answer is to get rid of early voting and mail ins, according to my host; who is all aboard the rigged elections bandwagon.

- Man, they really REALLY hate Mitch McConnell so I guess we've found common ground on some level but listening to this guy rail on Mitch about what a self serving prick he is who only cares about holding power was pretty rich, even by talk radio standards since that's all they preach (holding power at all costs). He delivered a SCOTUS seat and billionaire tax cuts but I guess he's a RINO now and has got to go. Which leads us to...

- Herschel Walker, who is somehow super qualified and at the top of the list of the poor, poor republicans that are unfairly picked on by the mainstream media and who's had to endure terrible attacks on his family. FROM his family, btw. This dude is a demonstrable idiot and may suffer from CTE but I heard that Fetterman (who had a stroke) had some problems with verbal articulation during a debate and that should disqualify him from office. Imagine Walker running as a democrat and the never ending soundbites. How'd you like to have the entire power of the senate in the hands of this guy and try to twist yourself into knots describing how great he is?

- One caller was very VERY concerned about where the funding comes from for Democratic candidates and the host agreed it was a great point. THis is the party that passed Citizen's United, said that corporations are people and called money free speech. I guess now it's a problem and someone needs to investigate.

- They're also oddly kind of 50/50 on Trump and obviously hedging their bets this time. The SOn of Eric show I heard played the speech but left out the voter fraud parts and Ericson said that he gets mail from MAGAs blaming him for the election losses. He said that 13% of GOP voters have become never Trumpers (which is still too low in a sane country) but I know that's bullshit and that voters will vote for him anyway.

Also, gently caress me, now I have to listen to two loving years of Trump talking dumb bullshit and constant media coverage of his crap? Much as I dislike Biden, I have to admit that not hearing Trump speak was like a wet fart that had finally cleared and dissipated. I guess that fresh air is gone.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Nov 17, 2022

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

BiggerBoat posted:

Also, gently caress me, now I have to listen to two loving years of Trump talking dumb bullshit and constant media coverage of his crap? Much as I dislike Biden, I have to admit that not hearing Trump speak was like a wet fart that had finally cleared and dissipated. I guess that fresh air is gone.

Yeah, seriously. He's always been manageable in small doses abut his campaign and presidency really highlighted how badly his speech was aerial bleach consumption.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Mitch is really unpopular with average Republicans. The reality is that he's still better to the GOP than any Democratic alternative, and he controls all of the purse strings in the GOP Senate, so he's never going anywhere. I do remember prior to Trump winning the 2016 primary that Mitch was pretty outspoken against him. But for Mitch he was a useful tool to get what he actually wanted done, which is to complete the Heritage Foundation's project of generational control of the Judiciary.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!
Based on what I see on Twitter, the newest right wing boogeyman outrage cycle revolves around some crypto ponzi scheme that apparently had donated money to the Democrat party, who in turn supported politicians or policies that support Ukraine?

And I guess the right is SUPER ANTI Ukraine given their reaction to anyone with a Ukrainian flag in their profile. Guess they moved on from Paul Pelosi gay jokes at least.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

Panfilo posted:

Based on what I see on Twitter, the newest right wing boogeyman outrage cycle revolves around some crypto ponzi scheme that apparently had donated money to the Democrat party, who in turn supported politicians or policies that support Ukraine?

I think it's dumber than that, I think I saw someone saying FTX was funneling money to Zelensky who was funneling it back to the Dems so they could rig the elections.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Pretty much, the gist is that the founder of FTX, Sam Bankman-Fried, is the son of a prominent Democratic party activist and fundraiser, and apparently personally donated $40mn to the 2022 midterms before his wealth exploded overnight. Basically the idea is that not only is he a democratic donor but that he defrauded Good, Honest People to fund those donations.

Oh and they found out he was Jewish so that's reaaally brought out the worst people alive.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Crypto people are neither good nor honest.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Clarste posted:

Crypto people are neither good nor honest.

We know that. It's not about true for these people, it's about convenience to the narrative.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Clarste posted:

Crypto people are neither good nor honest.

Hey now.
When they all become richer than a billion Elon's by doing nothing you wouldn't dare say that.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Panfilo posted:

Based on what I see on Twitter, the newest right wing boogeyman outrage cycle revolves around some crypto ponzi scheme that apparently had donated money to the Democrat party, who in turn supported politicians or policies that support Ukraine?

And I guess the right is SUPER ANTI Ukraine given their reaction to anyone with a Ukrainian flag in their profile. Guess they moved on from Paul Pelosi gay jokes at least.

I thought they were very mad at that new Disney movie that has a gay kid in it?

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!

Dapper_Swindler posted:

I thought they were very mad at that new Disney movie that has a gay kid in it?

Yeah but this is Disney we're talking about, I'm assuming that role amounts to giving another boy a side hug or something.

Tesseraction posted:

Pretty much, the gist is that the founder of FTX, Sam Bankman-Fried, is the son of a prominent Democratic party activist and fundraiser, and apparently personally donated $40mn to the 2022 midterms before his wealth exploded overnight. Basically the idea is that not only is he a democratic donor but that he defrauded Good, Honest People to fund those donations.

Oh and they found out he was Jewish so that's reaaally brought out the worst people alive.
They're acting like some kind of money laundering went on. I guess if you're already convinced "Dems want to surreptitiously launder money to Ukraine" and just work backwards from there? I heard the crypto guy was into that "ethical altruism" woo which probably reinforced their conspiracy theory- guy wanted to raise as much money as possible to donate as much money as possible, so they conclude the whole thing was a scam for the democrats all along.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Do young conservatives hate gay people as much as the old ones do, or is it a smaller population of young conservatives that hates gay people? Racism in America is evergreen because of our economic conditions, but it seems so passe to hate gay people at this point, when individualism and suspicion of institutions has developed to such an advanced degree. Outside of some weird subcultures (some of which make up a majority of the supreme court, true), it’s American orthodoxy that you should be able to do whatever you want.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!
I'm not sure, but conformity can be universal, and the nail that sticks out the most is often the first to be hammered down. Same with things like wearing a mask and stuff.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


I mean, these days young people who join the conservative ranks are either super evangelical, which means they hate gay people as sinners; or they’re alt-right memelords which comes steeped in performative toxic masculinity and 2000s-era gay slurs for things they don’t like

The libertarian I-just-want-low-taxes-on-my-eventual-business-success which used to be that bastion of “do what you want” Republicans isn’t as much of a thing these days, as “leave me alone” doesn’t mesh well with “we must be constantly engaged to own the libs”. The GOP's policy of "no war but culture war" for the last decade and a half has left no room for people who aren't into the culture war.

skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Nov 17, 2022

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!
Why are right wingers so anti Ukraine? Normally they're huge war hawks. I mean could you imagine conservatives having this attitude back in the nineties with regard to Kuwait?

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Panfilo posted:

Why are right wingers so anti Ukraine? Normally they're huge war hawks. I mean could you imagine conservatives having this attitude back in the nineties with regard to Kuwait?

Because Ukraine is standing up to Putin who they all so deeply admire.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

Clarste posted:

Crypto people are neither good nor honest.

The Crypto community is scams all the way down. See a crypto scheme that hasn't pulled the rug on it's users? Wait 10 minutes. I couldn't really care less about the political leanings of crypto scammers. They're just criminals.

I'm kind of flabbergasted that the right wing messaging is strong enough people feel comfortable so publicly announcing their support for Russia in the Ukraine, the actual factual bad guy of the war (or conflict or whatever).

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Panfilo posted:

Why are right wingers so anti Ukraine? Normally they're huge war hawks. I mean could you imagine conservatives having this attitude back in the nineties with regard to Kuwait?

Reflexive contrarianism and admiration for Putin’s nakedly fascist aesthetic.

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

I AM GRANDO posted:

Do young conservatives hate gay people as much as the old ones do, or is it a smaller population of young conservatives that hates gay people? Racism in America is evergreen because of our economic conditions, but it seems so passe to hate gay people at this point, when individualism and suspicion of institutions has developed to such an advanced degree. Outside of some weird subcultures (some of which make up a majority of the supreme court, true), it’s American orthodoxy that you should be able to do whatever you want.

It’s becoming popular among young people on the left to look down on queer people who are kinky, flamboyant, or otherwise “attention-seeking”. Not saying it’s a majority opinion or anything but it’s there, and I can only imagine it’s worse on the right.

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

GD_American posted:

Reflexive contrarianism and admiration for Putin’s nakedly fascist aesthetic.

And a hangover from Trump's first impeachment.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Panfilo posted:

They're acting like some kind of money laundering went on. I guess if you're already convinced "Dems want to surreptitiously launder money to Ukraine" and just work backwards from there? I heard the crypto guy was into that "ethical altruism" woo which probably reinforced their conspiracy theory- guy wanted to raise as much money as possible to donate as much money as possible, so they conclude the whole thing was a scam for the democrats all along.

I watched a video earlier on the crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20BEJouWBgY

It seems that basically as soon as the war started FTX set up a system that directly interfaced with Ukraine's central bank to aid in getting real money into their coffers from crypto donations.

Levantine posted:

I couldn't really care less about the political leanings of crypto scammers. They're just criminals.

One of the things the video above points out is that it's not even a partisan organisation. The CEO donates to democrats sure, but the... I think it was CTO or maybe CFO donated the same amount to republicans. They're just currying favour with the lot.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!

wizzardstaff posted:

It’s becoming popular among young people on the left to look down on queer people who are kinky, flamboyant, or otherwise “attention-seeking”. Not saying it’s a majority opinion or anything but it’s there, and I can only imagine it’s worse on the right.

I wonder if part of the issue is bad faith sex pests who hide their behavior under the guise of "sex positivity" which can make people simply assume a particular kink or whatever is creepy and predatory in nature.

There's a trans webcomic artist who writes about trans issues but she's also into "Littles" and wearing diapers, and it's hard for some people to separate all those things. Instead, they assume they are associated with each other.

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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

wizzardstaff posted:

It’s becoming popular among young people on the left to look down on queer people who are kinky, flamboyant, or otherwise “attention-seeking”. Not saying it’s a majority opinion or anything but it’s there, and I can only imagine it’s worse on the right.

A lot of these same folks start spouting crypto-fascist talking points when you even just mildly question or press them on their beliefs, so they're not as leftist as they try and cosplay like they are.

Panfilo posted:

Yeah but this is Disney we're talking about, I'm assuming that role amounts to giving another boy a side hug or something.

From what I have read about it, it seems to be that, yes. The dad, who is the protagonist of the movie, embarrasses his son in front of a boy that he likes, and then the father and son spend the rest of the movie off on an adventure away from the potential love interest so no romantic development occurs. It is still very much "removable for Saudi Arabia and China"-style queerness.

Luca, at this point, is going to stand the test of time as the high water mark for the openly gayest Disney movie ever made. That's the best you're going to get.

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